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  • @kobamoto said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    ITOH...
    http://experience.roland.com/tfr2017a/

    New Aira Sampler? And if it happens... will be under 1000€?

    I can't write this without laugh myself xD
    I want to believe (but after dj808 I don't expect miracles from Roland/Boss)

    I'm the eternal optimist man, I just can't fathom living in a world where there is no hope for a sampler from Roland, love their samplers too much

    Roland/Boss will get their shit together at some point. Just look at the rc505 , the best hardware looper in existence. I'm definitely curious to see what comes along.

  • edited May 2017

    @Gaia.Tree said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    ITOH...
    http://experience.roland.com/tfr2017a/

    New Aira Sampler? And if it happens... will be under 1000€?

    I can't write this without laugh myself xD
    I want to believe (but after dj808 I don't expect miracles from Roland/Boss)

    I'm the eternal optimist man, I just can't fathom living in a world where there is no hope for a sampler from Roland, love their samplers too much

    Roland/Boss will get their shit together at some point. Just look at the rc505 , the best hardware looper in existence. I'm definitely curious to see what comes along.

    Mmm rc505 are a bit crap (and overpriced). I have some friends (one of them touring as professional looping artist) who bring more than one to substitute them fast when they brick (it seems common as he told me).
    It arrived later to the market and has lots of limitations (not against LoopyHD or GTL... against other hardware loopers like EHX or TC Helicon.)

    It's the most popular but not the best option which for the professionals seems TC, old boomerang like or directly Ableton live based setups.

    But anyways... if they do something similar (pricepoint will be wrong as rc505) but with Sp series in mind I will give it a try even when I had bad experiences with sp555. I loved these faulty bad designed machine :________V

  • edited May 2017

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @Gaia.Tree said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    ITOH...
    http://experience.roland.com/tfr2017a/

    New Aira Sampler? And if it happens... will be under 1000€?

    I can't write this without laugh myself xD
    I want to believe (but after dj808 I don't expect miracles from Roland/Boss)

    I'm the eternal optimist man, I just can't fathom living in a world where there is no hope for a sampler from Roland, love their samplers too much

    Roland/Boss will get their shit together at some point. Just look at the rc505 , the best hardware looper in existence. I'm definitely curious to see what comes along.

    Mmm rc505 are a bit crap (and overpriced). I have some friends (one of them touring as professional looping artist) who bring more than one to substitute them fast when they brick (it seems common as he told me).
    It arrived later to the market and has lots of limitations (not against LoopyHD or GTL... against other hardware loopers like EHX or TC Helicon.)

    It's the most popular but not the best option which for the professionals seems TC, old boomerang like or directly Ableton live based setups.

    But anyways... if they do something similar (pricepoint will be wrong as rc505) but with Sp series in mind I will give it a try even when I had bad experiences with sp555. I loved these faulty bad designed machine :________V

    I've had TCs (the voicelive touch 2 and the voicelive 3) and have been using all of the above iOS looping apps. And they are all great but the 505 is the king of in the moment tweaking and jamming. Build quality shit for sure but the features make up for it.
    Edit: and by best, I only speak from best for beatboxing looping, I don't loop a synth/ guitar or anything like that. If I was looping guitar I'd probably go voicelive 3, superior effects to be sure

  • Yup it's more or less what I said but adding than non-beatboxers (people like Ed sheeran, Kt tunstail and so on) usually go for other (not everytime better, not necessary better in my POV since I prefer GTL or ehx68000) like boomerangs and pedalboards or Ableton (Beardyman uses 5 iPads with dedicated develop based in turnadofx and so in junction with Ableton etc). There are also powerusers doing gigs with rc505 but as I pointed they carry one or two as backup due its brick weird behaviour.

    Rc505 has replaced the 3 kaoss pad combo and buggy RC50 adding some vocal fx And faders. In these terms I will go for Aira vt3, kaoss quad and ehx 68000. Not cheapest but almost more stable and powerful... but yes rc505 it's popular and fun!

    I hope new sampler will be more near to Airas than Loopststion family and I hope rc505 mk2 come someday with improved build quality and less bricking.

    iPad isn't the better choice neither since at sunny summer days (almost in Spain) it gets too hot and disconnect itself (also own experience) but for home and controlled space (I use live looping as composition tool since I figured how expensive and risky could be a good live setup) LoopyHD, Garageband and GTL (or Ableton) are more than anyone could need IMHO.

    Offtopic end. Good chat Folks! :wink:

  • a sampler to go along with the Aira slots on the mx-1 mixer would be lovely!

  • @kobamoto said:
    a sampler to go along with the Aira slots on the mx-1 mixer would be lovely!

    Well the dj808 seems work in that way or almost host other aira's as mx-1 alternative...

  • I can't help but think they're charging for the 2.0 software on the fly.......

  • @Dubbylabby said:

    @kobamoto said:
    a sampler to go along with the Aira slots on the mx-1 mixer would be lovely!

    Well the dj808 seems work in that way or almost host other aira's as mx-1 alternative...

    unfortunately that dj808 didn't fit my fengshui but it has some nice functions

  • @Jose_Bee said:
    I can't help but think they're charging for the 2.0 software on the fly.......

    yep I don't know what's going on with that but this is definitely not the time for shenanigans... the confusion surrounding what is actually going on puts allot In jeopardy cause you know us consumers expect the worst.

  • Would be cool if the MPCL could also, optionally, pass through incoming USB MIDI out the DIN ports.

  • I've talked to my local shop and they also got a message from Akai to up the price, but they're in talks with them to keep the preorder price for current preorders. Luckily I'll still be able to buy it cheaper

  • @alecsbuga said:
    I've talked to my local shop and they also got a message from Akai to up the price, but they're in talks with them to keep the preorder price for current preorders. Luckily I'll still be able to buy it cheaper

    There has been so much back and forth on this very educational thread. I wish it had a "snapshot" function, like Cubasis. Where are we now? Is the US price going up or down from $1199? Is it just a horrible rumor that the software would be an addition cost?

  • Prices remain stable as far as I've seen in the US. If they're really raising the price, and that includes the people who preordered, Jack will be confirming most of my fears about supporting this company.

  • My preorder price will be honoured - looks like this is true for a lot of people.

  • can't stop seeing Patterning on that screen, never the less nice clip

  • edited May 2017

    Would be neat if someone were to do an MPC Live vs Beatmaker3 video. As lopsided as that may or may not be it could be a cool video.

  • Is there actual variphrase technology in the new Roland dj808?

  • ^^Dubby might know, that's a good question.

  • @AudioGus said:
    Would be neat if someone were to do an MPC Live vs Beatmaker3 video. As lopsided as that may or may not be it could be a cool video.

    they are really similar, kinda what swayed me to pick up a digitakt before the mpc live

  • Samplr style sample scrubbing towards the end

  • @Telstar5 said:
    Is there actual variphrase technology in the new Roland dj808?

    Since the sampler side of the thing is the SeratoDj app itself I think not. Anyways if you can afford the whole setup Serato Pitch'n time could do the job (also you can buy a second hand Vsynth for less money maybe)

    Serato is also releasing new Sampler software that I think @kobamoto will love
    https://serato.com/sample

  • @Dubbylabby ; Thanks! I didn't think so..

  • @Dubbylabby said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    Is there actual variphrase technology in the new Roland dj808?

    Since the sampler side of the thing is the SeratoDj app itself I think not. Anyways if you can afford the whole setup Serato Pitch'n time could do the job (also you can buy a second hand Vsynth for less money maybe)

    Serato is also releasing new Sampler software that I think @kobamoto will love
    https://serato.com/sample

    if they had made it an iPad app then I'd be into it but seradunno, thanks for the heads up though

  • edited May 2017

    @5pinlink said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @5pinlink said:
    £990 i can think of a lot of things i would rather buy haha, £799 it was right on the edge of hmmm maybe, now it is no interest whatsoever.

    what's the nearest competing product for £799 over there?

    A lot cheaper, Ipad, any basic sample/sequencer/ MPD controller.

    which iOS sequencer has tempo automation, time sig automation, midi merge/convert, and midi sequence track explode? the mpc, maschine, push, and iPad, all feel distinctively different to me. I don''t own a digitakt yet but I believe I could say the same about it from what I've seen.

  • @mireko_2 said:

    Samplr style sample scrubbing towards the end

    can't wait or Marcos to get that update out, what if he goes all out !!!!

  • .> @Telstar5 said:

    Is there actual variphrase technology in the new Roland dj808?

    It's only a controller having VT Voice Transformer which has nothing to do with variphrase unfortunately .
    Even if Roland comes with a new sampler it will be overpriced so I don't bother . There are still some 404sx on the market as an example ...

  • Agreed. Also the Voice transformer tech is the same of VC-2 cards which is an amazing audio fx processor and can do some pitching tricks for kicks and bass but not the elastic time of variphrase.

  • edited May 2017

    @5pinlink The comparison suggestion is for the 'BM3 vs Mpc live' and not an 'iPad vs Mpc' :)

  • @5pinlink said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Would be neat if someone were to do an MPC Live vs Beatmaker3 video. As lopsided as that may or may not be it could be a cool video.

    It would be completely ridiculous, the MPClive in standalone mode could not compare on feature per feature basis> @kobamoto said:

    @5pinlink said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @5pinlink said:
    £990 i can think of a lot of things i would rather buy haha, £799 it was right on the edge of hmmm maybe, now it is no interest whatsoever.

    what's the nearest competing product for £799 over there?

    A lot cheaper, Ipad, any basic sample/sequencer/ MPD controller.

    which iOS sequencer has tempo automation, time sig automation, midi merge/convert, and midi sequence track explode? the mpc, maschine, push, and iPad, all feel distinctively different to me. I don''t own a digitakt yet but I believe I could say the same about it from what I've seen.

    Why are you picking random features out like that ?
    Which MPC has the ability to install apps ?
    Which MPC can i play Angry birds on ?
    Which MPC can i use to record a video ?
    See i can do it too !!!
    No two products are ever like for like, and the list of features you just showed may be relevant to you, but they certainly aren't to me.
    You asked for a competing product and i gave you one, you didn't ask for something that was exactly the same with the same feature set, and by the way, i suggested i could find better things to spend £990 on, it is not worth £990 to me.

    right, I asked for a competing product for that price... it would seem by your post and mine that we agree that these products aren't comparable as I've stated, and as you seem to be stating but then you are also seemingly comparing them anyway.
    maybe in my first response to you instead of asking you about a competing product, maybe I should have just stated that there isn't a competing product?

  • btw I can see where the discussion went afoul, I wasn't interested in what you could 'better spend 990 on' as in angry birds or anything else so the context got screwed on this one... hell I can find better things to spend 990 on myself that have nothing to do with instruments or music at all , anyways consider yourself understood and the discussion was my bad.

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