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Akai's new standalone MPC looks awesome

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  • @5pinlink said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Would be neat if someone were to do an MPC Live vs Beatmaker3 video. As lopsided as that may or may not be it could be a cool video.

    It would be completely ridiculous, the MPClive in standalone mode could not compare on feature per feature basis> @kobamoto said:

    @5pinlink said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @5pinlink said:
    £990 i can think of a lot of things i would rather buy haha, £799 it was right on the edge of hmmm maybe, now it is no interest whatsoever.

    what's the nearest competing product for £799 over there?

    A lot cheaper, Ipad, any basic sample/sequencer/ MPD controller.

    which iOS sequencer has tempo automation, time sig automation, midi merge/convert, and midi sequence track explode? the mpc, maschine, push, and iPad, all feel distinctively different to me. I don''t own a digitakt yet but I believe I could say the same about it from what I've seen.

    Why are you picking random features out like that ?
    Which MPC has the ability to install apps ?
    Which MPC can i play Angry birds on ?
    Which MPC can i use to record a video ?
    See i can do it too !!!
    No two products are ever like for like, and the list of features you just showed may be relevant to you, but they certainly aren't to me.
    You asked for a competing product and i gave you one, you didn't ask for something that was exactly the same with the same feature set, and by the way, i suggested i could find better things to spend £990 on, it is not worth £990 to me.

    "Why are you picking out features like that?" ???

    Angry Birds and Video camera are not "features" of BM3.

    If you're a serious producer, you understand the value of a hardware sampler. If you're not, don't buy one.

  • edited May 2017

    One of the reasons people splash out a bit more on hardware, even though we have all this amazing software today in our DAWs or tablets, is that it all provides different experiences and different workflows. Who cares if there's Windows logo hidden in there, if the panel and interface is properly designed, it's likely worth the extra €$ for alot of people. I haven't read this thread so might've missed something tho :)

  • I needed a beat maker thang myself by the way, I went with the Digitakt, due to that magic Elektron panel/interface. A full on MPC would probably be overkill I figured as I just need a box filled with percs, drumloops and drum one-shots, providing a fast workflow to slap a beat on whatever

  • @ChrisG said:
    I needed a beat maker thang myself by the way, I went with the Digitakt, due to that magic Elektron panel/interface. A full on MPC would probably be overkill I figured as I just need a box filled with percs, drumloops and drum one-shots, providing a fast workflow to slap a beat on whatever

    definitely want to hear how you're getting on with the digitakt!!! That one is on a very short list of mine :)

    btw I think the mpc is linux based

  • Digitakt? Missed that. Speechless:

    I know it doesn't compare to an mpc , but it really looks great.

  • @kobamoto said:

    @ChrisG said:
    I needed a beat maker thang myself by the way, I went with the Digitakt, due to that magic Elektron panel/interface. A full on MPC would probably be overkill I figured as I just need a box filled with percs, drumloops and drum one-shots, providing a fast workflow to slap a beat on whatever

    definitely want to hear how you're getting on with the digitakt!!! That one is on a very short list of mine :)

    btw I think the mpc is linux based

    Ah Linux, that does make more sense :-) Yeah will try to get some impressions up somewhere. I haven't been able to keep up with the internet the last week or so, but ought to be some YouTube's up my now. I really should check lol

  • @Korakios said:
    Digitakt? Missed that. Speechless:

    I know it doesn't compare to an mpc , but it really looks great.

    Yeah. Two different kinds of instruments really. While those buttons/pads will take a beating, it's a machine still rooted in Elektron land, so the Elektron workflow is still intact. When people say that Elektron gear is complicated and takes forever to learn, it's always the project and file structure that gets people stumped, so that's been streamlined on this box (depending on your point of view). Will be interesting to see how new Elektronauts get along with it.

    Not to derail the topic further, but I've been eyeing the Akai XR20 for a cpl of years, it's no MPC and no sampling, but for the price it really seems like a solid little drummer. The closest competition price wise would be Roland's TR based drummachines, Korgs E2 and Arturia I guess. Anyone tried it? Can you mangle the drum samples on the thing (pitch, envelopes, distortion, etc)?

  • In reply to @Icepulse...

    @kobamoto said:
    btw I can see where the discussion went afoul, I wasn't interested in what you could 'better spend 990 on' as in angry birds or anything else so the context got screwed on this one... hell I can find better things to spend 990 on myself that have nothing to do with instruments or music at all , anyways consider yourself understood and the discussion was my bad.

    Honestly, this is one of the classiest "let's just move on and keep it civil" replies to a post I've ever seen. Particularly a post that was, imo, trolling pretty hard. Respect.

  • what I wanna hear about is that juicy beatmachine collection you got, give it up 5pinlink!!!

  • how do you guys feel about the fact that the clip mode is hardwired to the sequencer on the mpc live, not being able to trigger clips independently of the sequencer is kind of weird imo, ?

  • edited May 2017

    here's a goody..
    not all of the information is accurate but it's good look at how we look at certain instruments coming from different perspectives and what we expect because of that.

    and then there are completely other types of users ya know :)

  • edited May 2017

    @kobamoto said:
    how do you guys feel about the fact that the clip mode is hardwired to the sequencer on the mpc live, not being able to trigger clips independently of the sequencer is kind of weird imo, ?

    :smirk: it's that the smell of Nurkai drama flowing...?

    Jokes aside, I find it a shame and remembers me a bit the sp555. The way Trigger Finger Pro manage NextSeq is genius but it's another buggy box of my "buried gear" list.

  • :) the next sequence feature on the new mpcs is awesome though, it's kind of crazy that you can have one machine with next sequence feature, clip trigger mode, and mute /solo trigger and record all at the same time

  • What I want is an standalone D2 with dvs support. I don't understand why Pioneer don't put dvs control support to the ToRaiz... well Numark could bring something in this field too but again I'm not going to hold my breeze...

  • So now that the new MPC's are finally hitting the streets it would probably be a good time to find out when/if @Retronyms will fix the MPC Project Export function in iMPC Pro. Retronyms recently tweeted that they had no plans to update iMPC Pro anytime soon because they are busy with other projects. Seems like they are missing a prime opportunity to add value to Akai's new flagship products (as well as their own) by tightening up the integration between the two.

  • @ChrisG said:

    @Korakios said:
    Digitakt? Missed that. Speechless:

    I know it doesn't compare to an mpc , but it really looks great.

    Yeah. Two different kinds of instruments really. While those buttons/pads will take a beating, it's a machine still rooted in Elektron land, so the Elektron workflow is still intact. When people say that Elektron gear is complicated and takes forever to learn, it's always the project and file structure that gets people stumped, so that's been streamlined on this box (depending on your point of view). Will be interesting to see how new Elektronauts get along with it.

    Not to derail the topic further, but I've been eyeing the Akai XR20 for a cpl of years, it's no MPC and no sampling, but for the price it really seems like a solid little drummer. The closest competition price wise would be Roland's TR based drummachines, Korgs E2 and Arturia I guess. Anyone tried it? Can you mangle the drum samples on the thing (pitch, envelopes, distortion, etc)?

    I sold the XR20 years ago. Very basic (no envelopes) just pitch ,fx send etc , was fun to play ,portable ,had nice pads , but sold it and got an mpc 500 instead . The sounds where similar to the iMpc Classic app , very nice but could not tweak them much .

  • So... it still crashes God dammit

    Honestly after previously being burnt with Akai Products with wonky software, I think I'm gonna go with the Toraiz SP-16. I noticed they've released a nice update which allow you to to some nice stuff with your samples like slicing & stuff. And it seems a lot more solid as a unit. Too bad it's not battery powered but I can live with that.

  • yep, I hope they get their quality control issues sorted before I receive mine, it's such an ambitious product that it's hard to know what's going on in this first month, some of the people on gear sluts reported this terrible crashing when it first came out their friggin ssd drives that they installed wouldn't even mount or save right or just crashed stuff but then they changed them and there were no crashes but they don't have a list of what is working and what is not. I also read not all brands of sd cards work etc... , I think it was crucial brand giving most probs with ssds and when they changed to samsung they had no problems but I don't know it's allot to keep up with. akai should at least test what is working for certain and put it on a list so that people can just buy the accessories that work and be able to focus on the machine itself.. My question is if crucial is crashing the machine and samsung is making the same machine run just fine then what should we do, wait until all hard drives, sd cards, and thumb drives work or just get what works now?

  • @Dham said:
    So now that the new MPC's are finally hitting the streets it would probably be a good time to find out when/if @Retronyms will fix the MPC Project Export function in iMPC Pro. Retronyms recently tweeted that they had no plans to update iMPC Pro anytime soon because they are busy with other projects. Seems like they are missing a prime opportunity to add value to Akai's new flagship products (as well as their own) by tightening up the integration between the two.

    Yeah dont get your hopes up. They will never fix impc pro's MPC Project export. I'm on their beta team and I've complained about it for at least a year. Last time i emailed them no response.

  • edited June 2017

    I'm seeing that muting an> @alecsbuga said:

    So... it still crashes God dammit

    Honestly after previously being burnt with Akai Products with wonky software, I think I'm gonna go with the Toraiz SP-16. I noticed they've released a nice update which allow you to to some nice stuff with your samples like slicing & stuff. And it seems a lot more solid as a unit. Too bad it's not battery powered but I can live with that.

    You're going to regret that. I've had mine crash once in 3 weeks of use. The Toraiz is a DJ tool.

  • what did your crash stem from ice pulse?....
    there's allot of misinformation out there.. I felt bad for that dance her guy cause he really hadn't learned the machine and most of his issues seemed like user error but then on the other hand there is definitely an issue with certain brands of sd cards and ssd hard drives making peoples machines crash. Actual crashes steming from issues outside of those have been really few, how did yours crash?

  • @5pinlink said:
    Crashing every 3 weeks is supposed to be a good thing ? I think the last time any of my computers crashed was about 2009, but these are more stable than computers ?
    I gotta suggest people go and check out every other MPC second hand on ebay, at these prices you could get a 1000/2000 and a Digitakt.

    The last time your "computer" crashed? I assume you mean a particular piece of software crashed, but I'm going to call bull****, anyway. NONE of your DAW's have crashed in the last 8 years?

    Sorry if I simply don't believe you.

    I've been working w/ an iPad for as along there's BEEN an iPad. You've never had an app on your iPad freeze or crash? Bull.

    Older MPC's? But THOSE don't play Angry Birds, either!

  • @alecsbuga said:
    So... it still crashes God dammit

    Honestly after previously being burnt with Akai Products with wonky software, I think I'm gonna go with the Toraiz SP-16. I noticed they've released a nice update which allow you to to some nice stuff with your samples like slicing & stuff. And it seems a lot more solid as a unit. Too bad it's not battery powered but I can live with that.

    good luck Alec and make sure you see if your needs are addressed here

    https://trello.com/b/TBZV5MdR/pioneer-toraiz-sp-16

  • @kobamoto said:
    what did your crash stem from ice pulse?....
    there's allot of misinformation out there.. I felt bad for that dance her guy cause he really hadn't learned the machine and most of his issues seemed like user error but then on the other hand there is definitely an issue with certain brands of sd cards and ssd hard drives making peoples machines crash. Actual crashes steming from issues outside of those have been really few, how did yours crash?

    Not sure.... think it involved an audio track... but it happens. Even the OP-1 occasionally does something bizarre. And the OP-1 is a masterpiece of design, form and functionality.

  • @Icepulse said:
    I'm seeing that muting an> @alecsbuga said:

    So... it still crashes God dammit

    Honestly after previously being burnt with Akai Products with wonky software, I think I'm gonna go with the Toraiz SP-16. I noticed they've released a nice update which allow you to to some nice stuff with your samples like slicing & stuff. And it seems a lot more solid as a unit. Too bad it's not battery powered but I can live with that.

    You're going to regret that. I've had mine crash once in 3 weeks of use. The Toraiz is a DJ tool.

    Are you talking about the Toraiz crashing? That too?

    Well the Toraiz is well over my budget and although I've read the manual and I know it's limitations it's still a nice piece of production kit.

    Meanwhile I've talked with my local shop to get the MPC Live at the initial price which is good. Tuesday at noon it will be in my hands FINALLY!

    As for the MPC crashes... I can imagine being a computer in a box will crash... 1 crash a month is doable :)) especially since I don't go live with it, but for f's sake man... it shouldn't.

    I'm a "bedroom producer" as they say. I'm an Designer / iOS Developer and doing music is my hobby. When I pay a good part of my salary for a piece of gear I expect it to work.


  • Another review

  • Then again, it's not a vacuum cleaner. There's a million different ways it can get bogged down... it'd be only bug-free until someone throws something at it that causes a hiccup. Even if they beta tested for 5 years. Thankfully,nthey can be updated and bugs squashed.

    S***, people expect miracles, for what.... $1,200? That's really peanuts to pay, for all it does.

    I'll tough it out w/ Akai. What did the Ren retail for @ launch? $1800?

  • Yeah but the old akais where curated from third party (ex-employee) developer (jjOS). Numark didn't fixed so much on their own...

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    Yeah but the old akais where curated from third party (ex-employee) developer (jjOS). Numark didn't fixed so much on their own...

    I bought JJOS 2XL for my MPC1000 and for a 2500. Man that software was pretty tight :)
    And the features... were amazing.

  • And also hardware side was faulty with shops like mpcstuff doing the extra value that Numark once again forgot to deliver until Renassence shift.

    I still need to see the "new" (and improved) brand since in drawings all are wonderful ideas but delivering sometimes things get weird like the price preorder drama...

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