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BeatMaker 3 July 15th.

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  • @idexis said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    and still intua hasn't showed up yet?

    You mean they haven't been here to answer questions in the middle of the night on a Sunday? Wow... that's bad.

    oh I didn't know, what are they a one man team and where are they anyway?

    Have you noticed that this is a forum for another developer. Why don't you make an effort and show up yourself on their forum instead of bitching. Sir!

    pretty sure their forum is dead. gettin 404 errors last i checked.

  • @brambos
    Brambos, can I ask you as a developer. What do you think about this endless negative comments about new version of Beatmaker, first publish?

    Am I missing something. Everyone has a right to an opinion, but common. People invested under 20 bucks and the demands are like expecting a love child of Ableton Live, Cubase and several hardware tools.
    Big words and complaints. To me this is unrealistic and simply childish behavior.

  • @Cib said:

    @hazardtears said:

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    and still intua hasn't showed up yet?

    You mean they haven't been here to answer questions in the middle of the night on a Sunday? Wow... that's bad.

    haha well said. 24/7 capitalism über alles

    Well, normal in a release phase but not always of course.

    capitalism: nobody wants it except when they want it B)

  • @hazardtears said:

    @Cib said:

    @hazardtears said:

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    and still intua hasn't showed up yet?

    You mean they haven't been here to answer questions in the middle of the night on a Sunday? Wow... that's bad.

    haha well said. 24/7 capitalism über alles

    Well, normal in a release phase but not always of course.

    capitalism: nobody wants it except when they want it B)

    Genau ;)

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @idexis said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    and still intua hasn't showed up yet?

    You mean they haven't been here to answer questions in the middle of the night on a Sunday? Wow... that's bad.

    oh I didn't know, what are they a one man team and where are they anyway?

    Have you noticed that this is a forum for another developer. Why don't you make an effort and show up yourself on their forum instead of bitching. Sir!

    pretty sure their forum is dead. gettin 404 errors last i checked.

    They will fix this I guess. Of course I know this forum is now defacto meeting place for users and developers. But the behavior is like horribly spoiled egoistic child.

  • @idexis said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    and still intua hasn't showed up yet?

    You mean they haven't been here to answer questions in the middle of the night on a Sunday? Wow... that's bad.

    oh I didn't know, what are they a one man team and where are they anyway?

    Have you noticed that this is a forum for another developer. Why don't you make an effort and show up yourself on their forum instead of bitching. Sir!

    This is their forum , currently. Just saying...

  • There is a drag and drop pattern feature in the song mode. I don't think it's necessary to arrange in scene just to make a song. I agree bypassing scenes is the way to go ATM even though I do see the advantages of having them.

    The drag and drop in song mode is quite good but unfortunately I'm sure it's absolutely necessary to have an option to record a scene performance in the arrangement. It's a killer feature, believe me!

  • edited July 2017

    @idexis said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    and still intua hasn't showed up yet?

    You mean they haven't been here to answer questions in the middle of the night on a Sunday? Wow... that's bad.

    oh I didn't know, what are they a one man team and where are they anyway?

    Have you noticed that this is a forum for another developer. Why don't you make an effort and show up yourself on their forum instead of bitching. Sir!

    how do you know how much effort I've made, oh **** did I just respond to you.... Sir?

    "Of course I know this forum is now defacto meeting place for users and developers."

  • @5pinlink
    I'm extremely positive towards constructive criticism based on arguements. Most posts are like that and the reason why this is a good forum.
    I'm equally negative towards unrealistic demands that are not based on any promise of functions.
    I'm also very appreciative for developers that spend their time and other resources on delivering quality products to us. It's for sure no financial heaven (yet) and it is my opinion (which is not necessarily correct) that it's not good strategy to complain that there are not enough developers focusing on iOS and at the same time bombarding the ones that are with something that one wonders has something to do with spoiled millennials and is crying for "all" for relatively small amount of money.

    @gsm909
    I know. Those are more figuratively spoken words. On the other hand . They were busy delivering the product, now it's the website, I would imagine. :|

  • edited July 2017

    @kobamoto said:

    @idexis said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    and still intua hasn't showed up yet?

    You mean they haven't been here to answer questions in the middle of the night on a Sunday? Wow... that's bad.

    oh I didn't know, what are they a one man team and where are they anyway?

    Have you noticed that this is a forum for another developer. Why don't you make an effort and show up yourself on their forum instead of bitching. Sir!

    how do you know how much effort I've made, oh shit did I just respond to you.... Sir?

    "Of course I know this forum is now defacto meeting place for users and developers."

    My comments are not only directed to you, but you are a shining example.
    No, you did not respond to me, but tried to humiliate me as if I'm not worth your attention.
    But you sure proved my point.

  • what are these unrealistic demands.... are you talking about the repost I've posted of intua''s feature list that they provided?

  • @5pinlink said:

    I think they will get there eventually :)

    Fingers crossed :)

    I'm sure coding such an application is really hard work and I hope the developer get much more and more energy to implement a proper scene mode. Great tool so far!

  • Must say.. initial impressions are not great.. Apart from time stretching, it's much the same as BM2, harder to navigate, only two crappy packs included.. time will tell, I guess..

  • edited July 2017

    @idexis said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @idexis said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    and still intua hasn't showed up yet?

    You mean they haven't been here to answer questions in the middle of the night on a Sunday? Wow... that's bad.

    oh I didn't know, what are they a one man team and where are they anyway?

    Have you noticed that this is a forum for another developer. Why don't you make an effort and show up yourself on their forum instead of bitching. Sir!

    how do you know how much effort I've made, oh shit did I just respond to you.... Sir?

    "Of course I know this forum is now defacto meeting place for users and developers."

    My comments are not only directed to you, but you are a shining example.
    No, you did not respond to me, but tried to humiliate me as if I'm not worth your attention.
    But you sure proved my point.

    whatever

  • @5pinlink said:

    @slaq said:

    There is a drag and drop pattern feature in the song mode. I don't think it's necessary to arrange in scene just to make a song. I agree bypassing scenes is the way to go ATM even though I do see the advantages of having them.

    The drag and drop in song mode is quite good but unfortunately I'm sure it's absolutely necessary to have an option to record a scene performance in the arrangement. It's a killer feature, believe me!

    I think they will get there eventually :)

    Currently in bed reading all the comments. I had great session with BM3 last night. I normally don't put out after the first date but I can see myself in a long-term relationship with it . Not one crash, battery life is reasonable. I would like to see some more effects and away to save effect chains as presets.

    I really hope they add that performance feature too. It's a great way to capture ideas. Follow actions would be cool too.

    Overall I think they did a great job and I'm impressed with the level of details and functionality for first release. Based off all the feedback @Samu and all the beta testers provided, it sounds like a lot of extra goodies are planned for future updates.

    Really excited to hear all new tunes people create with it.

  • what kind of Fx would you like to see in it?

  • @JangoMango said:
    Must say.. initial impressions are not great.. Apart from time stretching, it's much the same as BM2, harder to navigate, only two crappy packs included.. time will tell, I guess..

    Make that very crappy and oversized. Sampling is not very storage space friendly I am also finding. Why sample instruments I already have on my iPad when I could already record them into Cubasis?

  • ah it's my fault, it's 4am where I'm at and I just got back from watching war on the planet of the apes.., caught me off guard, shouldn't have even responded to dude.

  • @idexis said:
    @brambos
    Brambos, can I ask you as a developer. What do you think about this endless negative comments about new version of Beatmaker, first publish?

    I can't and don't want to speak for Intua. I've only dealt with Mathieu and one other person who were both very nice and highly engaged, motivated guys. The amount of work I've seen them do (and the attention to details) over just the course of the last few weeks is staggering. I can only imagine they must all be very tired right now ;)

    All I can say is that to me as a designer/developer positive feedback is a lot more motivating than negative. I've had my share of feature-requests and suggestions, and it's easier to start working on improvements when you feel you're doing it to make happy people even happier. If that makes sense :)

    Again.. not speaking for Intua. I'm just passing by in this thread because I can see myself using BM3 as a musician too. But I started making music in the 90s, so my attitude is typically to see how I can best use what's there, rather than to look for what's missing ;)

  • @brambos said:

    @idexis said:
    @brambos
    Brambos, can I ask you as a developer. What do you think about this endless negative comments about new version of Beatmaker, first publish?

    I can't and don't want to speak for Intua. I've only dealt with Mathieu and one other person who were both very nice and highly engaged, motivated guys. The amount of work I've seen them do (and the attention to details) over just the course of the last few weeks is staggering. I can only imagine they must all be very tired right now ;)

    All I can say is that to me as a designer/developer positive feedback is a lot more motivating than negative. I've had my share of feature-requests and suggestions, and it's easier to start working on improvements when you feel you're doing it to make happy people even happier. If that makes sense :)

    Again.. not speaking for Intua. I'm just passing by in this thread because I can see myself using BM3 as a musician too. But I started making music in the 90s, so my attitude is typically to see how I can best use what's there, rather than to look for what's missing ;)

    It's the perfect attitude as well. Personally I'm loving what i've seen. Whatever is missing I can supplement with my existing apps :D

  • @kobamoto
    I agree with you which was my initial intention, discussing instead of whining.
    My comment to you was because of your unfair demand towards Intua. Simple.
    Other comments stand for them selves and is only my opinion. I never mentioned you personally regarding that. Your post explanation is rather clear marker that you recognized immediately the childish behavior and made it yours, nothing to do with me. So this lame attempt to make me the initiator of personal thing hits you home "... oh shit did I just respond to you" . It's at least positive that you in retrospect realized your behavior and even tried to speak like grown up and focus on what matters.
    It's not my habit to argue with people on forums and I attend very few because of dudes like you. But sometimes one must speak up when enough is enough.

    It's unfortunate that you immediately took my general speech to you personally (not the one re. Intua) and much worse that we are waisting space and time discussing this.
    But you have to try to be man/woman/teenager enough about things and accept that when you try to belittle folk directly you should expect people to answer. Doubling that with further remarks, in another attempt to humiliate, about my need for fix or crawling for strangers does not make you specially interesting character.

    This is the last (I hope) I have to say about the matter and hope you accept my apology for remarks that are not correct others should be guiding light.

    I don't expect anyone to have followed this little episode, but to those that did so by mistake I apologize for waisting their time.

    Back to work!

  • @brambos said:

    @idexis said:
    @brambos
    Brambos, can I ask you as a developer. What do you think about this endless negative comments about new version of Beatmaker, first publish?

    I can't and don't want to speak for Intua. I've only dealt with Mathieu and one other person who were both very nice and highly engaged, motivated guys. The amount of work I've seen them do (and the attention to details) over just the course of the last few weeks is staggering. I can only imagine they must all be very tired right now ;)

    All I can say is that to me as a designer/developer positive feedback is a lot more motivating than negative. I've had my share of feature-requests and suggestions, and it's easier to start working on improvements when you feel you're doing it to make happy people even happier. If that makes sense :)

    Again.. not speaking for Intua. I'm just passing by in this thread because I can see myself using BM3 as a musician too. But I started making music in the 90s, so my attitude is typically to see how I can best use what's there, rather than to look for what's missing ;)

    Of course not for Intua, but as a developer on the platform and active on this forum, which is overall very good.
    It is clear that the Intua team gave it their all.
    Therefore I would expect that positive feedback, even as a criticisms on what could be improved is a good start towards 3.1.

  • @Noirflux said:

    Overall I think they did a great job and I'm impressed with the level of details and functionality for first release. Based off all the feedback @Samu and all the beta testers provided, it sounds like a lot of extra goodies are planned for future updates.

    Time will tell and as far as I know a maintenance update is already in the works so things are moving along nicely.

    Sure there are some things missing that bug some users but there's also a lot of other goodies to be found in the the app that can not be found elsewhere on iOS...

  • Aaaaaaaannnnnnyyway.... I can't get over how great it is to be able to record AU automations right from the plugin's UI. That's really taking the usefulness of AU plugins a step further!

  • @Samu said:

    @Noirflux said:

    Overall I think they did a great job and I'm impressed with the level of details and functionality for first release. Based off all the feedback @Samu and all the beta testers provided, it sounds like a lot of extra goodies are planned for future updates.

    Time will tell and as far as I know a maintenance update is already in the works so things are moving along nicely.

    Sure there are some things missing that bug some users but there's also a lot of other goodies to be found in the the app that can not be found elsewhere on iOS...

    Definitely agree :) . I'm more than content with it right now. I woke up this morning with a big smile on my face lol

  • @5pinlink said:

    @idexis said:
    @5pinlink
    I'm extremely positive towards constructive criticism based on arguements. Most posts are like that and the reason why this is a good forum.
    I'm equally negative towards unrealistic demands that are not based on any promise of functions.
    I'm also very appreciative for developers that spend their time and other resources on delivering quality products to us. It's for sure no financial heaven (yet) and it is my opinion (which is not necessarily correct) that it's not good strategy to complain that there are not enough developers focusing on iOS and at the same time bombarding the ones that are with something that one wonders has something to do with spoiled millennials and is crying for "all" for relatively small amount of money.

    @gsm909
    I know. Those are more figuratively spoken words. On the other hand . They were busy delivering the product, now it's the website, I would imagine. :|

    You do realise you sound like you want to control everything that everybody ever says, and are very close to double speak.
    This is a public forum that has become the focal point for the BM3 release because there is no Intua forum.
    If you really think that after the hyped up nonsense of the past few weeks, never mind yesterdays silliness, that paying customers should not state their honest opinions, you are daft, sorry to be blunt, but that is exactly how the supplier/consumer relationship works, and while you may think that $20 is nothing (lucky you) i find it offensive that anybody would say that in this economy, i am glad you are extremely rich, but stop judging everybody else.

    FFS i even suggested that some features (that were actually promised) could be sold as IAP.

    You are not holier than anybody, so stop acting like you are.

    I am pretty holy... o:)
    Really..., well no, it could well be that it seems like I want to control something, but it's not my intention and of course I don't see my own faults very clearly. I'll work on that.

    My point is that I have personal experience in sleeping under the desktop before publishing code and give it my all. It is my opinion (and I mentioned before and now, nobody needs to agree with me) that when discussing develpers work one should show respect as you would towards others and their work. By far, most do that and it stings when those few show utter disrespect.
    I did not direct my words to someone special and this opinion of mine is as good as any other. Why does someone feel like I have something else than opinion.

    This dude that responded to me decided to make it like I was criticizing him, which I was not. I did call him out for demanding someone to respond on Sunday night to him when he was available on a forum that isn't officially Intua's and I have not seen any service contract about this. BM3 is not major device on hospital. No harsh words there except to show effort. Another issue, different point altogether.
    There was no need for this person to try to humiliate me (gently or otherwise) and even less to think that I wouldn't answer.
    From how he speaks I get pretty good picture of the situation and must show full understanding.

    To sum, I'm sorry if I sounded condescending in my tone regarding the product discussion, but this is my strong opinion. I perhaps shouted to loud and will contain in the future.
    Point taken and thanks.

  • @brambos said:
    Aaaaaaaannnnnnyyway.... I can't get over how great it is to be able to record AU automations right from the plugin's UI. That's really taking the usefulness of AU plugins a step further!

    I still can't understand why this isn't implemented in all hosts..?

  • edited July 2017

    Personally speaking, companies like FL, Akai, NI and the other bigwigs have been neglecting IOS and even more so Android. This comments come off as desperate pleas to be heard as people see the new independent developers are their only source of hope. Too many developers leave their stuff unfinished or crippled to get people to buy their other products or they make the cop out excuse that it's just their little hobby project, which I find an extremely condescending attitude... I see the negative comments as having merit as well because there are a lot of choices for software but people would prefer to have just one I think that they can master and make it a vehicle for intelligent artistic expression.

    Edit: And then there are just ignorant folks who need constant attention.

  • edited July 2017

    @5pinlink said:
    @idexis
    You are the one that made out that you have more than opinion, go back and read how many times you typed "I expect"
    As for showing respect to Intua, you are kidding right ?
    Myself and plenty of others have stated quite clearly after using the app for a little while, this is not quite prime time, but this could easily be a game changer that goes head to head with the best on any platform, now when you are comparing their first release of v3 to things like Live/Cubase/Reaper/Studio One and not Cubasis/Auxy/Gadget, you really are incapable of paying any higher respect.

    These guys are on the verge of something very very special, yes it needs a lot of updates, but that is not negativity, it is excitement at what could be unbelievable for an independent, this is as exciting as when Reaper was being formed, and that guy had tens of millions from the Winamp sale.

    I have no will to chat longer about this. I just made my point.
    Here you go with your damn respect and positive criticism:

    @5pinlink said:

    @Artefact2001 said:
    Can't help taking notice of the unprecedented hype and excitement around the BM3 release.

    My process is Gadget and Cubasis with projects eventually being finalised / mixed in Ableton live. I've recently got into sample one shots and MIDI sequencing through the Elektron Digitakt.

    What would be the advantages of adding BM3 into my workflow?

    Thanks!

    If you need a good sampler then get it, if you dont, dont bother, a lot of bm3 feels rushed to get it out, if they dont update it A LOT, it will be just a good sampler, there are better apps for everything else it does right now.

  • edited July 2017

    The app crashes too often to be used correctly on my Air2 and the sampler is poor and is a clicks and pops factory, the IAP instruments are sh#tty (why are the piano and upright bass sounding like they come from the toilets?... Nevermind I already asked a refund for those)... For me and after 8 hours of intensive testing, this is huge disapointment day... Hope v3.0.1 will be a magical update, but I doubt it...

    Sorry for being mad, but when you tease people for months and claim to prepare the most complete and stable sampler,... Then you have to meet the expectations...

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