BeatMaker 3 July 15th.

RajahP

@InfoCheck said:

@RajahP said:

@InfoCheck said:

@RajahP said:

@greengrocer said:
From all the comments I read BM3 is the sort of same as AUM but can do more.I doubted long to buy AUM but maybe it has become more or less obsolete now we have BM3. Can anyone tell if there are any differences between both apps except workflow of course.

I have heard it mention that AUM don't do midi... and don't have Ableton Link...

@RajahP This is incorrect. AUM has Ableton Link and extensive support for MIDI and MIDI routing. You can not record MIDI directly into AUM but you can route it to or from apps that do.

OK..

I think the ability of AUM with respect to MIDI can be unclear to a lot of people as aside from AUM's built in keyboard, it doesn't generate any MIDI at all or record MIDI but it routes MIDI exceptionally well and can be controlled via MIDI too.

Well, I could have had it months ago... but resisted because I had the impression that there was no LINK...
Anyway, I must admit I am overwhelmed by BM3... Don't think I can handle another DAW at the moment...

RajahP

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@RajahP said:

@InfoCheck said:

@RajahP said:

@greengrocer said:
From all the comments I read BM3 is the sort of same as AUM but can do more.I doubted long to buy AUM but maybe it has become more or less obsolete now we have BM3. Can anyone tell if there are any differences between both apps except workflow of course.

I have heard it mention that AUM don't do midi... and don't have Ableton Link...

@RajahP This is incorrect. AUM has Ableton Link and extensive support for MIDI and MIDI routing. You can not record MIDI directly into AUM but you can route it to or from apps that do.

OK..

Aum is far more useful right now when you are using multiple keyboards or sequencers to drive multiple iaa/Au due to the simple fact that Bm3's midi implementation seems to be slightly broken. Once it gets fixed though it's a fantastic piece of kit.

Maybe we need a thread that can highlight things that are 'broken' in BM3..... so 'we' know it's not a user issue...

brambos

Why are AUM and BM3 being compared? They're not even in the same category of apps. One is a sampler/sequencer/DAW the other is a clever signal and MIDI mixer/router/recorder/swiss-army-knife. Nothing is making anything obsolete here because there is barely any overlap between the two.

bleep

Was going to say the same, BM3 and AUM are not comparable at all.

marcuspresident

Pressing "playing song" top left to choose pattern then I get constant crashes. Anyone else? See video.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/myfm6wd2gyzt3zo/VID_20170716_205758.mp4?dl=0

[Deleted User]

Can anyone comment on sound packs they've bought . Why a certain pack and your thoughts , thanks

RajahP

@marcuspresident said:
Pressing "playing song" top left to choose pattern then I get constant crashes. Anyone else? See video.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/myfm6wd2gyzt3zo/VID_20170716_205758.mp4?dl=0

Not on my iPad mini 2... But I did increase the latency in the audio settings to 1024 samples..

[Deleted User]

@brambos said:
Why are AUM and BM3 being compared? They're not even in the same category of apps. One is a sampler/sequencer/DAW the other is a clever signal and MIDI mixer/router/recorder/swiss-army-knife. Nothing is making anything obsolete here because there is barely any overlap between the two.

I was responding to a specific user question because they were deciding to choose between the two apps and they thought the apps were sort of the same which wasn't my impression so I compared and contrasted the two apps to provide some more information.

Purpan

@Arpseechord said:
Can anyone comment on sound packs they've bought . Why a certain pack and your thoughts , thanks

I got the Rhodes Mark One, which for me is an essential thing to have in any app. It sounds pretty good - not NeoSoulKeys good, but OK, and can be roughed up a little with the macros. I also got the DX7 pack, because I used to have a DX7. Not many presets in it, and most of them are a bit idiosyncratic.

[Deleted User]

@5pinlink said:

@RajahP said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@RajahP said:

@InfoCheck said:

@RajahP said:

@greengrocer said:
From all the comments I read BM3 is the sort of same as AUM but can do more.I doubted long to buy AUM but maybe it has become more or less obsolete now we have BM3. Can anyone tell if there are any differences between both apps except workflow of course.

I have heard it mention that AUM don't do midi... and don't have Ableton Link...

@RajahP This is incorrect. AUM has Ableton Link and extensive support for MIDI and MIDI routing. You can not record MIDI directly into AUM but you can route it to or from apps that do.

OK..

Aum is far more useful right now when you are using multiple keyboards or sequencers to drive multiple iaa/Au due to the simple fact that Bm3's midi implementation seems to be slightly broken. Once it gets fixed though it's a fantastic piece of kit.

Maybe we need a thread that can highlight things that are 'broken' in BM3..... so 'we' know it's not a user issue...

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19952/bm3-bugs-concise#latest

@brambos said:
Why are AUM and BM3 being compared? They're not even in the same category of apps. One is a sampler/sequencer/DAW the other is a clever signal and MIDI mixer/router/recorder/swiss-army-knife. Nothing is making anything obsolete here because there is barely any overlap between the two.

A lot of people seem to think that this is a great AU/IAA hub, not sure why, if you need a hub, use one, AUM is good at the job, the problem with this sort of thinking is the developers will soon get inundated with feature requests for people using this as a hub, when it is a DAW with shit hot integrated sampler

It seems a Hub since resembles some similarities with Mainstage layers, keyboard splits and so. Also the mixer has some cappabilities than AUM (still) not has like sidechain but again I'm agreed with you.
AUM should be the right choice for that (IMO) since BM3 is more a DAW.

In cpu performance AUM+midiflow should be winner everyday since it hasn't all the other extra things (like uber sampler) and lacks in very few (and @j_liljedahl is aware of them). Also AB3 with the midiflow plugins can do similar good job. It depends on priority (Bus vs midi).

realdavidai

@whiteout said:

@Noirflux said:

@hazardtears said:
coming from years of heavy Ableton use, BM3 was a breeze to learn, didnt reach for the manual, just got into it immediately. Cant say more yet, but wanted to chime in to the "is it hard to use" discussion.

Even for people who don't want to use the pattern/scene options, they can use the timeline/song mode.

Yeah, but effectively you can only sequence 8 tracks (banks) at a time, as far as I can see.

This is a surprising limitation, but I’m keeping an open mind as I explore the app

marcuspresident

@RajahP said:

@marcuspresident said:
Pressing "playing song" top left to choose pattern then I get constant crashes. Anyone else? See video.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/myfm6wd2gyzt3zo/VID_20170716_205758.mp4?dl=0

Not on my iPad mini 2... But I did increase the latency in the audio settings to 1024 samples..

Seems like my first try made an error. But I tried a new Session and the problem disappeared. No more crashing.

[Deleted User]

@Purpan said:

@Arpseechord said:
Can anyone comment on sound packs they've bought . Why a certain pack and your thoughts , thanks

I got the Rhodes Mark One, which for me is an essential thing to have in any app. It sounds pretty good - not NeoSoulKeys good, but OK, and can be roughed up a little with the macros. I also got the DX7 pack, because I used to have a DX7. Not many presets in it, and most of them are a bit idiosyncratic.

Thanks for the info. I rented out a DX7 many moons ago lol . The Roland D-50 pack sounds pretty good from the little sampling preview they give

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Having more success sequencing and automating Poison-202.

No crashes yet.

The one thing I noticed was that although I could record automation of the poison knobs (nice) it didn't then move those knobs in the AU Interface when playing back. So this is a slight shame. (In Enkl it showed the controls moving on their own due to the recorded automation).

I like the audio export of my phrase. That's quite nice. I can then put this phrase into an Audio track. Which worked quite well once I figured out how to do it.

I can't see myself getting into the whole 'pads' MPC workflow thing. Seems hugely complicated and time consuming compared to midi and automation driving synths and drums. Maybe one day I guess.

So right now I'm just figuring out if BM3 is going to work for me as a midi/audio DAW for AUs and IAAs. Possbly just for creating longer audio parts and phrases to then import into Gadget.

And if so, looking forward to it coming to iPhone.

LucidMusicInc

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Having more success sequencing and automating Poison-202.

No crashes yet.

The one thing I noticed was that although I could record automation of the poison knobs (nice) it didn't then move those knobs in the AU Interface when playing back. So this is a slight shame. (In Enkl it showed the controls moving on their own due to the recorded automation).

I like the audio export of my phrase. That's quite nice. I can then put this phrase into an Audio track. Which worked quite well once I figured out how to do it.

I can't see myself getting into the whole 'pads' MPC workflow thing. Seems hugely complicated and time consuming compared to midi and automation driving synths and drums. Maybe one day I guess.

So right now I'm just figuring out if BM3 is going to work for me as a midi/audio DAW for AUs and IAAs. Possbly just for creating longer audio parts and phrases to then import into Gadget.

And if so, looking forward to it coming to iPhone.

@realdavidai said:

@whiteout said:

@Noirflux said:

@hazardtears said:
coming from years of heavy Ableton use, BM3 was a breeze to learn, didnt reach for the manual, just got into it immediately. Cant say more yet, but wanted to chime in to the "is it hard to use" discussion.

Even for people who don't want to use the pattern/scene options, they can use the timeline/song mode.

Yeah, but effectively you can only sequence 8 tracks (banks) at a time, as far as I can see.

This is a surprising limitation, but I’m keeping an open mind as I explore the app

You realise on bank contains 128 tracks? The human brain can only process 7-12 things simultaneously so 8 elements isn't a limitation as far as listeners are concerned.

greengrocer

@InfoCheck said:

@greengrocer said:

@RajahP said:

@greengrocer said:
From all the comments I read BM3 is the sort of same as AUM but can do more.I doubted long to buy AUM but maybe it has become more or less obsolete now we have BM3. Can anyone tell if there are any differences between both apps except workflow of course.

I have heard it mention that AUM don't do midi... and don't have Ableton Link...

Thanks, so you say BM3 is a real AUM killer. Probably I should go for BM3 especially because the prece of both is nearly the same. Others comments and advices of BM3 vs AUM are welcome of course. but if I'm correct BM3 can do everything AUM can do plus a lot more.

As I detailed above, the information provided by @RajahP was not correct. I would agree that there are more things BM3 can do. If you share my confidence the BM3 developer will iron out the bugs, it'd be a good idea to get BM3 while it's on sale until July 22.

Thanks for your comprehensive answers it really helps!
The only question still puzzling me can you add fxsor AU fxs (Grind Distortion by Audio Damage ) individually to AU synths (Troublemaker) in BM3 or can this only done by AUM?

LucidMusicInc

@hazardtears said:

@LucidMusicInc said:

@hazardtears said:

@mathieugarcia said:
Hey everyone!

After half a day, I really like the general feel of it, cheers for superb work and also for showing up for comments, that's very admirable.

One immediate thing is pre/post switch for Aux channels. Something that can be worked around, yup, but I think it's pretty essential on DAWs and surprisingly few DAW-y apps with mixer functions have this.

Also I'd love to see an option to randomize the order of the slices (like a "lite" version of SECTOR) when slicing up a samples. And same with a randomizer function for midi notes. Mostly thinking in terms of having an inspirational work flow.

As @gonekrazy3000 said, seems highly fun and very effective as it is!

This is achievable:

1. Slice your sample to pads
2. Randomly pitch shift/reverse sample chops
3. Make several sequences hitting pads in random order, chain the sequences
4. Export it
5. Chop it to pads
6. Rinse repeat

I imagine you're being sarcastic, but just to be sure, I meant a "Randomize slice order" and/or "Randomize slice pitches" option in Audio Editor -> Process, just to have a speedy way to go bananas with a sample.

So yes, what you described creates the same results, but in that vein, why use orchestral hits when you can hire a full orchestra, a recordist, concert hall, recording equipment, and record a few nice chords?

edit: by no means was this a complaint about a feature that is lacking, just a personal suggestion, nothing more serious.

As a matter of fact the randomise feature rarely produces an interesting result. Sector is cool but I've never found producing with it very enjoyable. Sounds cold and mechanical and chaotic. As a sound effect in a soundtrack it could work and as an effect in a live set up it might hold some temporary value but humans are very good at interpreting patterns and computer generated patterns come off as such and therefore listener interest will not be there. You'll get a much better result mangling your own chops because it will have your signature all over it. The work you put in to getting the right sound, even if you just randomly punch it in, will materialise itself in a better finished product in the end. Trust me... I've tried it.

[Deleted User]

@greengrocer said:

@InfoCheck said:

@greengrocer said:

@RajahP said:

@greengrocer said:
From all the comments I read BM3 is the sort of same as AUM but can do more.I doubted long to buy AUM but maybe it has become more or less obsolete now we have BM3. Can anyone tell if there are any differences between both apps except workflow of course.

I have heard it mention that AUM don't do midi... and don't have Ableton Link...

Thanks, so you say BM3 is a real AUM killer. Probably I should go for BM3 especially because the prece of both is nearly the same. Others comments and advices of BM3 vs AUM are welcome of course. but if I'm correct BM3 can do everything AUM can do plus a lot more.

As I detailed above, the information provided by @RajahP was not correct. I would agree that there are more things BM3 can do. If you share my confidence the BM3 developer will iron out the bugs, it'd be a good idea to get BM3 while it's on sale until July 22.

Thanks for your comprehensive answers it really helps!
The only question still puzzling me can you add fxsor AU fxs (Grind Distortion by Audio Damage ) individually to AU synths (Troublemaker) in BM3 or can this only done by AUM?

Yes, you can add AU effects app in BM3 too.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Anyone got it sending out midi ccs to an IAA synth yet?

I've got it driving Animoog with midi notes, but automating e.g. 'Animoog parameter 13' doesn't seem to send cc 13 (which is what I'd expect it to do).

Do I need to switch 'send midi ccs' on somewhere?

@samu - any ideas?

greengrocer

@InfoCheck said:

@greengrocer said:

@InfoCheck said:

@greengrocer said:

@RajahP said:

@greengrocer said:
From all the comments I read BM3 is the sort of same as AUM but can do more.I doubted long to buy AUM but maybe it has become more or less obsolete now we have BM3. Can anyone tell if there are any differences between both apps except workflow of course.

I have heard it mention that AUM don't do midi... and don't have Ableton Link...

Thanks, so you say BM3 is a real AUM killer. Probably I should go for BM3 especially because the prece of both is nearly the same. Others comments and advices of BM3 vs AUM are welcome of course. but if I'm correct BM3 can do everything AUM can do plus a lot more.

As I detailed above, the information provided by @RajahP was not correct. I would agree that there are more things BM3 can do. If you share my confidence the BM3 developer will iron out the bugs, it'd be a good idea to get BM3 while it's on sale until July 22.

Thanks for your comprehensive answers it really helps!
The only question still puzzling me can you add fxsor AU fxs (Grind Distortion by Audio Damage ) individually to AU synths (Troublemaker) in BM3 or can this only done by AUM?

Yes, you can add AU effects app in BM3 too.

Thanks!

marcuspresident

@Purpan said:

@Arpseechord said:
Can anyone comment on sound packs they've bought . Why a certain pack and your thoughts , thanks

I got the Rhodes Mark One, which for me is an essential thing to have in any app. It sounds pretty good - not NeoSoulKeys good, but OK, and can be roughed up a little with the macros. I also got the DX7 pack, because I used to have a DX7. Not many presets in it, and most of them are a bit idiosyncratic.

So smooth sound. And the Mark Two also ☺️
But pretty expensive.

Gilbert

@Cib said:
So, now it seems to be more clear (or i hope i got this right now).
BeatMaker 3 can have 8 banks which are like stacked folder tracks which can include 128 individual instruments.
But i have just 8 midi tracks, one for each bank? So i can´t have an own midi track for each of the 128 instruments in each bank which could have it´s own automation etc. and i could move midi notes around individually.
Then it would need really just more banks, otherwise it´s a kind of 8-track DAW??
But i even would prefer just if each pad has it´s own midi track with all the automations and stuff and the bank would be just a layer above where i can hide or expand the tracks in the sequencer song mode (yeah, mainly like Logic´s stacked tracks then).
But maybe i still don´t get it

There is a way, perhaps not the most obvious or even elegant, but it works ( easy to do too ).

In this example we have 3 pads, each with a sample ( kick, hi hat, bass )

Then we make 3 patterns, one for each instrument, kick, hi hat, bass.

Now to have them play together just drag them on top of each other, they will snap to the song grid.

We can see their data layered.

Et voilà! Each pattern instrument can have automation, and each instrument volume, etc... can be adjusted in the mixer.

Of course for 128 instruments it would need some planning....

Dimumham

Is there any way to use audiobus output as audio track input? Been trying to figure this out for the last hour and I am stumped...

skoptic

Nice, I didn’t spot you could drag patterns on top of each other, that’s exactly what I need.

Btw, didn’t the forum have a mute user function, or was that the old version?

frejahel

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Anyone got it sending out midi ccs to an IAA synth yet?

I've got it driving Animoog with midi notes, but automating e.g. 'Animoog parameter 13' doesn't seem to send cc 13 (which is what I'd expect it to do).

Do I need to switch 'send midi ccs' on somewhere?

@samu - any ideas?

Where do you see Animoog parameter 13?

Pattern automation works for me: Go to the pattern, and pick 'pattern midi'. Choose a CC and make sure to midi map the CC in Animoog.

lukesleepwalker

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@greengrocer said:

@RajahP said:

@greengrocer said:
From all the comments I read BM3 is the sort of same as AUM but can do more.I doubted long to buy AUM but maybe it has become more or less obsolete now we have BM3. Can anyone tell if there are any differences between both apps except workflow of course.

I have heard it mention that AUM don't do midi... and don't have Ableton Link...

Thanks, so you say BM3 is a real AUM killer. Probably I should go for BM3 especially because the prece of both is nearly the same. Others comments and advices of BM3 vs AUM are welcome of course. but if I'm correct BM3 can do everything AUM can do plus a lot more.

After fiddling around trying to get modstep to work with Bm3 I've basically given up. Bm3's midi implementation seems to be broken at launch. While a single pad or bank works via external midi controllers and even modstep I cannot seem to get different instruments to work via different midi channels. Everything seems to completely ignore the settings you set. So for now Back to good ole AumSTEP.

Yes, I've noticed some glitches with assigning banks to different MIDI channels. Sometimes channel 1 will transmit to channel 10 (seemed to resolve with multiple resets) and I've noted a bank can go silent until I tap to bring it to the foreground. Early days...

frejahel

@lukesleepwalker said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

After fiddling around trying to get modstep to work with Bm3 I've basically given up. Bm3's midi implementation seems to be broken at launch. While a single pad or bank works via external midi controllers and even modstep I cannot seem to get different instruments to work via different midi channels. Everything seems to completely ignore the settings you set. So for now Back to good ole AumSTEP.

Yes, I've noticed some glitches with assigning banks to different MIDI channels. Sometimes channel 1 will transmit to channel 10 (seemed to resolve with multiple resets) and I've noted a bank can go silent until I tap to bring it to the foreground. Early days...

Not sure if it's relevant to your question, but empty pads will default with pad 1 being sent to channel 1, pad 2 to channel 2 etc. Also, you can set separate midi outs for the pads themselves in the editor view (or have them set to follow the midi settings for the whole bank [which is the default]).

DatGood

Ok, I looked and tried everything but I still can't figure this out.

I like to load various instances of AU synths (usually iSEM+DRC) with different patches to get a layered sound when I play. With one midi keyboard controller, how do I play two separate instances of an AU together in BM3? Thought it would be as simple as in AUM (or doing similar with gadgets in Korg Gadget) but it's not so apparently.

stemshade

So frustrated. Pretty much love the app but i can't get into the session i spent a couple of hours on today. Not much in it. Just 2 large audio files in trackview (about four minutes). A drum bank with one kick and 2 instances of ruismaker playing one sound each. I automated the hats. When i try to get back in the app it stays stuck on loading ruismaker. I can get in other saved sessions.

mistkerl

@Gilbert said:

@Cib said:
So, now it seems to be more clear (or i hope i got this right now).
BeatMaker 3 can have 8 banks which are like stacked folder tracks which can include 128 individual instruments.
But i have just 8 midi tracks, one for each bank? So i can´t have an own midi track for each of the 128 instruments in each bank which could have it´s own automation etc. and i could move midi notes around individually.
Then it would need really just more banks, otherwise it´s a kind of 8-track DAW??
But i even would prefer just if each pad has it´s own midi track with all the automations and stuff and the bank would be just a layer above where i can hide or expand the tracks in the sequencer song mode (yeah, mainly like Logic´s stacked tracks then).
But maybe i still don´t get it

There is a way, perhaps not the most obvious or even elegant, but it works ( easy to do too ).

In this example we have 3 pads, each with a sample ( kick, hi hat, bass )

Then we make 3 patterns, one for each instrument, kick, hi hat, bass.

Now to have them play together just drag them on top of each other, they will snap to the song grid.

We can see their data layered.

Et voilà! Each pattern instrument can have automation, and each instrument volume, etc... can be adjusted in the mixer.

Of course for 128 instruments it would need some planning....

Or just record your sounds to a seperate audiotrack for each element?!