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I agree with this. Theres music to be made and bigger fish to fry
No need to insult me. English is my first language - thanks.
Any way, back to doing what I do all day. Making KRFT a bigger and better product for our users. Negativity is only going to slow us down.
Thanks to everyone's support who understands we're not a big company who has years of experience running a business and that sometimes we'll make mistakes.
Looking forward to updates
No worries, Alex. We all make mistakes - just don't let opinions of people on the internet get you down! Which is easier said than done, admittedly. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned you're developing one of the very best apps on the market, so I hope that your new price pays dividends.
Not knowing if English is your main language is not an insult. It's an honest statement. There are many devs on this forum from around the world.
I hope you do go on improving your app but I also hope the negative reaction to your fluid pricing does slow you down a bit to be more aware of what yr doing and how customers perceive your brand.
Yesterday I spent 28 euros to get 4 beers.
Today I'll likely do the same.
Edit: after the first I asked for a free update. I got another 3 pints full price
I understand that everyone has different budgets and expectations. What is spare change to one person is a lot to another. Speaking for myself, who has already invested many many fruitful hours into the app, there is really no major difference between $5 or $15 for an app like this. It is a steal either way. Had this subject not come up so often on the forum I would have ZERO recollection how much I spent on this app. If I were told at this point that I had spent 20, I would have said 'fair enough, what a deal'. If the dev needs to cater to a marketplace, which already seems ridiculous and fickle to me, by shifting an already micro-cost to another micro-cost, then so be it. But again, I do get everyone has different expectations on value/pricing, even devs.
Fair.
It'd be nice if the dev offered a free patch pack or some new drum kits for the people like me who dropped $10 a week ago. Am I a little miffed? Yeah, I guess I coulda bought a coffee with that $5 or something. Oh well.
However, we're talking about $5 here, folks. Let's all try to remember that revenue is very low for iOS. The dev is not exactly stacking money to the ceiling. KRFT is a fantastic app, even for $15. And all KRFT users benefit from expanding the community, since sharing user-generated content is a big part of the KRFT experience.
@noisefan has a right to be miffed. The pricing structure of iOS apps is open to abuse, and many developers — who exist in a brutal market where they have little leverage — are happy to cut bait and move to the next project rather than make things right. Based purely on the statements of the KRFT devs (and the astonishing rate of updates), I don't think this is the case. But I can see where the frustration comes from.
HOWEVER.
The dev has admitted making a mistake, apologized and offered a refund. And still that doesn't make it right?
This reminds me of subway tiffs. I'll step on somebody's foot; he or she barks loudly in outrage. I am completely at fault, and I apologize immediately and without reservation. And then this is where society breaks down: the aggrieved party won't accept the apology, snorts derisively and turns away.
Which is weird.
Not very important, but I think you're wrong. This is the app activity (from AppShopper):
Or, from another perspective, that price was "on sale" considering the dev was thinking to increase the price.
So I see your point as well.
Ouuchh!
Well said.
I have been trying to garble out similar meaning in many post, without really hitting the point. And there it is, clear as a Sunday morning in Alaska. Brilliant.
Honestly folks if 5 to 15 dollars is going to make or break your budget, perhaps you should be focusing on other things and I say this as a man of modest means
+1
@noisefan
I tell you, you're lucky to not have been around in the early-mid 90s and earlier. This was when hardware units reigned supreme and costed up the arse. Any price that was 3 figures is most likely 4 figures today (or 5 or more figures for near-mint quality). Anything that was 4 figures is most likely 5 figures. Imagine paying that much money!
Then we were in the noughties, where 100% software-based music creation was just starting to grow out of infancy in its "teeth cutting" phase. One well-known music producer, Sash!, created about 90%-95% of his S4!Sash! album (released in 2002) with software only using the latest version of Komplete and Pro Tools on a Mac. Komplete costs 3 figures, and so does Pro Tools. We're talking way more expensive.
FL Studio 3/4 was released around this time, and it was more of a toy than the fully fledged DAW it is today. That costed 3 figures to own the full version of (although on the more cost-effective 3 figures) and came with lifetime free updates (which it still does). So many people used cracked software due to the ungodly high costs of a lot of software. (I mean, can you believe Waves still charges up the arse 4-figures for their complete plugin bundles, pretending we're still living in the 1990s?) I never bothered with cracked software given you'd always end up with a worm or virus or malware of some sort and the fact we did have free/low-cost alternatives that may not have been as good as the commercial software but were decent enough in a pinch. Add to that the sheer pain of most license registration systems (except the registry key based one from Image-Line).
So this is why I find it hilarious for someone to quibble over a mere $5-$10 difference between last week and this week. The quality of a lot of music apps is very much on par with the 3-figures you'd pay for it in the PC/Mac environment, but for a cheaper price. This is why I also HATE the subscription pricing models for software/apps given I'm very much used to the old-school way of paying money for a major number update to software if I wanted to use the latest version.
+1000 Enough said. Get over it. Move on. It's a cup of coffee. And remember you're able to make amazing shit ON YOUR PHONE because of developers like this.
I guess principles are difficult to understand.
It's not the price. It's saying one thing and then doing another. When that involves money changing hands it can cause distrust for sure.
If you were told that the price of gear you are interested in getting is $800 now but is going to be $1100 next week you might be more likely to get it. The price goes to $1100 but then three days later is only $400. Are you upset? Why?? Only because of the amount of money but not being mislead by dubious advertising?
Who really thinks 'I don't mind being mislead if it is for less than ten dollars because it's not much money too me' ? Several people on this thread I guess.
I spend $$ on apps quite often. They're cheap in the grand scheme of life. I just don't like feeling like being scammed whether intentional or not.
Again, I just hope the best for KRFT and hope they learn from this debacle.
I'm going to go finger my stuff now!
You have decided to use the "slippery slope" argument, so I'll pose this question to you: If the dev had charged 5 cents yesterday (and advertised it as a sale), and then charged 1 cent today, would you feel "misled" and "scammed" enough to bitch and moan about it on a forum? And, by the way, the word "scam" does imply intent.
This is not a "debacle". This is someone changing his mind and deciding to slash the price even further. I bought KRFT last week. I don't feel cheated. If you bought it today, then I toast your good luck.
Salud.
Principles are not difficult to understand. But the context of this scenario is far different than the $800 / $1100 scenario you described. I'm just saying...at the prices we are talking about here, is it really THAT big of a deal even if you were in fact mislead? I get that no one likes to be scammed....though I don't agree that this is a scam. But the context of this battle just doesn't carry the same weight in my view as it does yours. Either way, fingering shall proceed as usual.
Debacle definition - complete failure, especially because of bad planning and organization.
Ok, complete failure may be harsh but i doubt the makers of KRFT enjoy this discussion continuing but I've heard there is no such thing as bad press so who knows!
If the price was five cents and said to be changing to ten cents but instead changed to just one cent, would I feel misled? Yes. That is the definition of being misled.
Would I comment on a forum about it? I think you have your answer.
Po.
"Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it" --Publilius Syrus circa 100BCE
We are only talking about a couple of $ here - a cup of coffee/beer?
I respect the devs honesty and continual dedication and work on this great app.
And I do understand you guys need to survive and pay the bills > eat.
Personally, I'm fine with the price $5/$10/$15 - 1-2 coffees / 2 beers.
But timing is everything - to drop the price SO quick was not a very smart marketing move.
Moving onwards......
Sometime ago, I offered to buy the attendant at the laundromat a cup of coffee (Starbucks).. She looked at her co-worker like ... Ok I will get her a cup too... Went to Starbucks, She ordered 'Something Something Grande'... The Darn thing came up to $10. for two cups...
Ok... It is time to move on... The App is a bargain even at $15..
If we have to protest... Lets protest for Multi-Audio output.... I won't mind paying $20 IAP for this...... Please..
If the app in question was...oh I dunno....let's say 'Skram' then I'd say it's probably fair enough to moan about a £5 price change. It's a pint and a packet of nuts after all. But moan once, and then leave it.
But it isn't. It's worth more than you paid for it, it'll be constantly tweaked and improved - probably with new stuff for free -so you've already got a good deal. A fiver for this app is bordering on criminal.
As most regulars know on here, I'm as tight as a falcons sphincter in a power dive, but even I'd be happy to have got this for a tenner.
Just enjoy your new app and let the dev get on with his good work.
To me the best part about this app is really the dedication and commitment by Alex and his team. If you all look at where they started, its absolutely mind blowing! I will admit I was early adopter so I got this at $4. Now after they have added midi controller out, this has to be the most versatile iOS app available.
The only challenge to KRFT is it's a "rabbit hole"; you have to have a lot of time to spend on it, to get it right.
Ya know if these guys had been absent from the forum and non communicative, that would be one thing, but the fact remains they have been one of the most attentive and participative developers on here. And I can't help but wonder how much the direction of the app was steered in unexpected ways purely from their attention to feedback received on this very forum. People make mistakes, things happen, and sometimes you have to course correct. No big deal.
Exactly!
These guys responded quickly on twitter and on youtube. I was one of the users who pushed for external midi out control. Then they did it!!!!
Seriously no complaints.
A falcon's sphincter in a power dive though.