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KRFT - Modular Music Production Price Drop ($14.99 -> $4.99)

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited June 2017

    @Samu said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    Wait. You've not actually used KRFT but you're recommending all sorts of esoteric changes based on your reading of the manual. And you've posted this in a thread where people are complaining that anything more than $5 (despite dozens of updates and feature expansions) is a ripoff.

    God, I love this place!

    You're not alone!

    I see the potential in KRFT but I see no personal need for it at the moment...
    But sure, if it hosted AUv3's and had the mentioned curves automation it would be a totally different 'thing' ;)

    I'd grab it with both hands at this crazy price, and put it away for a bit, if you don't think you'll use it at the moment.

    I'm up to my earholes in sequencers and beatmakers, and never use the things. But this one is different - fun to use, but produces serious results - and costs a tenth of Gadget, that I've only used twice this year. Whereas I'm fiddling with this all the time.

    This is one of those rare apps that I wouldn't hesitate to recommend to anyone.

  • db909db909

    @Samu said:
    KRFT is one of those apps I've yet to get but I can see the potential in it for sure!
    I have read thru the manual and it left me wising for a 'draw module' for creating custom 'automation curves'.

    This could be 'cured' by adding a 1-256 step 'box' where the user could draw a curve. Each 'dot' on the curve could represent a CC-Value(or other modulate-able parameter) and the duration(1/1-1/128) for each 'dot' could be globally set for the 'box'. The 'box' could also have an option to either just 'set' the value or interpolate between the values over time. Other options would be to 're-start' the box-sequence or continue from last position. And well 'preset curves' would naturally be preset up/down ramps, sine, tri, random etc.

    I think this would satisfy a large chunk of users looking for cool modulation options :)

    That would seem > @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Samu said:
    KRFT is one of those apps I've yet to get but I can see the potential in it for sure!
    I have read thru the manual and it left me wising for a 'draw module' for creating custom 'automation curves'.

    This could be 'cured' by adding a 1-256 step 'box' where the user could draw a curve. Each 'dot' on the curve could represent a CC-Value(or other modulate-able parameter) and the duration(1/1-1/128) for each 'dot' could be globally set for the 'box'. The 'box' could also have an option to either just 'set' the value or interpolate between the values over time. Other options would be to 're-start' the box-sequence or continue from last position. And well 'preset curves' would naturally be preset up/down ramps, sine, tri, random etc.

    I think this would satisfy a large chunk of users looking for cool modulation options :)

    Wait. You've not actually used KRFT but you're recommending all sorts of esoteric changes based on your reading of the manual. And you've posted this in a thread where people are complaining that anything more than $5 (despite dozens of updates and feature expansions) is a ripoff.

    God, I love this place!

    More music!

    Yeah seriously

  • SamuSamu

    @MonzoPro said:

    This is one of those rare apps that I wouldn't hesitate to recommend to anyone.

    Okioki, so I've now got this one too...
    Maybe I'll have some time to play with it once BM3 is out on the AppStore ;)

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @aaronpc said:
    This sh*t is so depressing. What's wrong with you people?

    On the bright side, this pissy stuff continuing to appear in threads has resulted in my getting more music done, as I'm spending less time here on the forum. There— lemonade.

    I'll raise a glass of lemonade and drink to that.
    Cheers!

  • ALBALB

    They can charge whatever they like, if the market (YOU) decides they wont pay it, that is their problem, they are not competing with Korg/Moog/Steinberg unless they have a competing product, in which case if they underprice themselves that is their choice, if they overprice themselves that is their choice.

    The fact that a bunch of forum users now deify or create a faux freindship with these people is the childish nonsense, this person is not your friend, they are not doing this for free, they are by very definition business men or they would not charge, they want to be paid for their work and there is NOTHING at all wrong with that.

    But now the forum heros think that they can insult people who feel annoyed that something that was said to be on sale was made 50% cheaper after the sale finished, again that is the childish nonsense, nobody is saying they shouldn't make money but that gets bandied about like somebody actually said it.

    If Apple or Steinberg did this there would be bloody murders, but no not the faux friend developer, definitely childish nonsense.

    The developer screwed up, he admits that, so nobody should be anything but supportive of the people who paid more during the 200% sale.

    Yes, but the developer isn't Steinberg or Apple and it's a difference of $5, not $10, $15 or higher (sky's the limit, I guess). I love it when people get pissed off because they have "principles". But part of having principles is also having a sense of perspective and scale, otherwise you're just a robot. Which perhaps some aspire to be...

  • amusing_Graceamusing_Grace

    If KRFT ever becomes Apples Free App Of The Week, some folks probably get a stroke.

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @5pinlink said:
    Again with the "Its only $5" are you really that rich ?
    £5 which is what it is here, is food for a family for a day, yes it is all cheap crap from a cheap craphole, but most of the UK can only afford that.
    But that is besides the point, if you cant see that insulting people who were annoyed is complete stupidity, then more fool you !!

    > @5pinlink said:

    @lovadamusic said:

    @5pinlink said:
    Some of the replies here are funny at best.
    Developer says "This is sale price, grab it while you can" a week later it is half that sale price, and nobody should be annoyed at that ?
    There is a principal at stake here, it doesn't matter if it is $5 or $50000.
    And for those people saying there is no difference between $5 and $15, you lucky lucky little rich people you !!!

    It is absolutely ridiculous to claim nobody should be annoyed at this, yes they can get a refund, but they shouldn't have to, this kind of thing is exactly why most people see IOS apps as toys and wont invest real money.

    Support the dev by all means, but don't insult users who have a right to feel annoyed by this.

    First of all, the reason we have all these great and really inexpensive apps is that many developers are not primarily business people. They’re coders and/or musicians, usually working by themselves, not with other business people handling that end of it. The market they’re in is also very restrictive as they try to eek out a little money for all their work. They don’t have the resources Moog or Korg have, and they can’t charge near as much. They have to compete with big companies that can use iOS as a promotional platform for their main lines of products.

    So you’re annoyed by these kinds of devs who are scrambling to make some kind of a living. Some on this thread are also annoyed by people who act like their precious $5 is so much more important than the dev’s concerns, feel cheated because they missed out on the lowest price for the app and think the dev owes them an apology, a refund, or whatever. What childish nonsense. I think the devs of KRFT will ultimately be valued for the app they make and the support they give.

    They can charge whatever they like, if the market (YOU) decides they wont pay it, that is their problem, they are not competing with Korg/Moog/Steinberg unless they have a competing product, in which case if they underprice themselves that is their choice, if they overprice themselves that is their choice.

    The fact that a bunch of forum users now deify or create a faux freindship with these people is the childish nonsense, this person is not your friend, they are not doing this for free, they are by very definition business men or they would not charge, they want to be paid for their work and there is NOTHING at all wrong with that.

    But now the forum heros think that they can insult people who feel annoyed that something that was said to be on sale was made 50% cheaper after the sale finished, again that is the childish nonsense, nobody is saying they shouldn't make money but that gets bandied about like somebody actually said it.

    If Apple or Steinberg did this there would be bloody murders, but no not the faux friend developer, definitely childish nonsense.

    The developer screwed up, he admits that, so nobody should be anything but supportive of the people who paid more during the 200% sale.

    A question I always ask myself before posting a completely against-the-grain screed that sure seems valid.

    Is it possible that the other people in the thread are being reasonable and I'm just an asshole?

    Food for thought.

  • studioABstudioAB

    @ALB said:

    They can charge whatever they like, if the market (YOU) decides they wont pay it, that is their problem, they are not competing with Korg/Moog/Steinberg unless they have a competing product, in which case if they underprice themselves that is their choice, if they overprice themselves that is their choice.

    The fact that a bunch of forum users now deify or create a faux freindship with these people is the childish nonsense, this person is not your friend, they are not doing this for free, they are by very definition business men or they would not charge, they want to be paid for their work and there is NOTHING at all wrong with that.

    But now the forum heros think that they can insult people who feel annoyed that something that was said to be on sale was made 50% cheaper after the sale finished, again that is the childish nonsense, nobody is saying they shouldn't make money but that gets bandied about like somebody actually said it.

    If Apple or Steinberg did this there would be bloody murders, but no not the faux friend developer, definitely childish nonsense.

    The developer screwed up, he admits that, so nobody should be anything but supportive of the people who paid more during the 200% sale.

    Yes, but the developer isn't Steinberg or Apple and it's a difference of $5, not $10, $15 or higher (sky's the limit, I guess). I love it when people get pissed off because they have "principles". But part of having principles is also having a sense of perspective and scale, otherwise you're just a robot. Which perhaps some aspire to be...

    Sorry but I don't think there is a difference just because of pricing or size of the companies. People tend to think they have more of a connection with small developers because the people they are interacting with from the company are the programmers and decisionmakers and they feel "heard." They also want to support smaller guys because they don't want their favorite apps to disappear. I think that is why they take criticism more personally than the developers. If we look at everyone's perspective, no one is wrong in their thinking or feelings given their situation. Developers feel their work is worth a certain amount (and need to be compensated for adding features). They are guessing at the market and it's a balance of what people are willing to pay vs what they think is fair. On the other hand the consumers want a fair exchange as well. Everyone's view is legitimate and we should not bash the developer who admitted a mistake and apologized nor those who are legitimately unhappy with how the pricing influenced their purchase. The amount of the money does not matter and is not the issue.

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  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @tja said:
    Do we have moderators here?
    Maybe time to close the topic ;-)

    I think the mods are not here at the moment, but I agree this thread started kinda roughly and devolved from there. There's nothing much more productive to be said quite frankly.

  • Alex foxAlex fox

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @tja said:
    Do we have moderators here?
    Maybe time to close the topic ;-)

    I think the mods are not here at the moment, but I agree this thread started kinda roughly and devolved from there. There's nothing much more productive to be said quite frankly.

    Agreed. Feels like we're going around in circles!

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    Hey @Sebastian could we lock this thread please ?

  • db909db909

    That's all folks. Join us next week for our segment "Midi ccs: are they poisoning your child?"

  • Alex foxAlex fox

    @db909 said:
    That's all folks. Join us next week for our segment "Midi ccs: are they poisoning your child?"

    Lololol

  • ALBALB

    Yes, but the developer isn't Steinberg or Apple and it's a difference of $5, not $10, $15 or higher (sky's the limit, I guess). I love it when people get pissed off because they have "principles". But part of having principles is also having a sense of perspective and scale, otherwise you're just a robot. Which perhaps some aspire to be...

    Sorry but I don't think there is a difference just because of pricing or size of the companies. People tend to think they have more of a connection with small developers because the people they are interacting with from the company are the programmers and decisionmakers and they feel "heard." They also want to support smaller guys because they don't want their favorite apps to disappear. I think that is why they take criticism more personally than the developers. If we look at everyone's perspective, no one is wrong in their thinking or feelings given their situation. Developers feel their work is worth a certain amount (and need to be compensated for adding features). They are guessing at the market and it's a balance of what people are willing to pay vs what they think is fair. On the other hand the consumers want a fair exchange as well. Everyone's view is legitimate and we should not bash the developer who admitted a mistake and apologized nor those who are legitimately unhappy with how the pricing influenced their purchase. The amount of the money does not matter and is not the issue.

    We'll just have to disagree on this. The amount of money does matter to me, and in this case it's small and I think there was no ill intent. I guess you could say I have a relativistic sense of ethics. Some of the comments seem a little absolutist for me.

    Having said that, this forum is really welcoming and I'm sorry if I bashed anyone.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @db909 said:
    That's all folks. Join us next week for our segment "Midi ccs: are they poisoning your child?"

    Did lol

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Samu said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    This is one of those rare apps that I wouldn't hesitate to recommend to anyone.

    Okioki, so I've now got this one too...
    Maybe I'll have some time to play with it once BM3 is out on the AppStore ;)

    Enjoy! The MIDI out works particularly well.

  • TheVimFuegoTheVimFuego

    @Alex fox said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @Alex fox said:.
    …
    I literally work my ass off making this product …

    Literally?

    Yeah - I used to have a huge ass and now it's just skin and bone.

    There's a shedload of money in the weight loss industry, if you have a proven method then ditch the audio stuff and rake it in. ;)

    I understand the pricing dilemma fwiw, I also understand some people are rightly peeved, I thursly understand apologies have been made.

    Time to move on and make this sucker even greater.

  • u0421793u0421793

    Is there any way the pricing with iTunes products can be specified such that you pay us?

  • Alex foxAlex fox

    @u0421793 said:
    Is there any way the pricing with iTunes products can be specified such that you pay us?

    Coming soon with iOS 11 :wink:

  • JaymonJaymon

    At 5$ I caved. Pretty cool interface for live jams, digging it.

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @5pinlink said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @5pinlink said:
    Again with the "Its only $5" are you really that rich ?
    £5 which is what it is here, is food for a family for a day, yes it is all cheap crap from a cheap craphole, but most of the UK can only afford that.
    But that is besides the point, if you cant see that insulting people who were annoyed is complete stupidity, then more fool you !!

    > @5pinlink said:

    @lovadamusic said:

    @5pinlink said:
    Some of the replies here are funny at best.
    Developer says "This is sale price, grab it while you can" a week later it is half that sale price, and nobody should be annoyed at that ?
    There is a principal at stake here, it doesn't matter if it is $5 or $50000.
    And for those people saying there is no difference between $5 and $15, you lucky lucky little rich people you !!!

    It is absolutely ridiculous to claim nobody should be annoyed at this, yes they can get a refund, but they shouldn't have to, this kind of thing is exactly why most people see IOS apps as toys and wont invest real money.

    Support the dev by all means, but don't insult users who have a right to feel annoyed by this.

    First of all, the reason we have all these great and really inexpensive apps is that many developers are not primarily business people. They’re coders and/or musicians, usually working by themselves, not with other business people handling that end of it. The market they’re in is also very restrictive as they try to eek out a little money for all their work. They don’t have the resources Moog or Korg have, and they can’t charge near as much. They have to compete with big companies that can use iOS as a promotional platform for their main lines of products.

    So you’re annoyed by these kinds of devs who are scrambling to make some kind of a living. Some on this thread are also annoyed by people who act like their precious $5 is so much more important than the dev’s concerns, feel cheated because they missed out on the lowest price for the app and think the dev owes them an apology, a refund, or whatever. What childish nonsense. I think the devs of KRFT will ultimately be valued for the app they make and the support they give.

    They can charge whatever they like, if the market (YOU) decides they wont pay it, that is their problem, they are not competing with Korg/Moog/Steinberg unless they have a competing product, in which case if they underprice themselves that is their choice, if they overprice themselves that is their choice.

    The fact that a bunch of forum users now deify or create a faux freindship with these people is the childish nonsense, this person is not your friend, they are not doing this for free, they are by very definition business men or they would not charge, they want to be paid for their work and there is NOTHING at all wrong with that.

    But now the forum heros think that they can insult people who feel annoyed that something that was said to be on sale was made 50% cheaper after the sale finished, again that is the childish nonsense, nobody is saying they shouldn't make money but that gets bandied about like somebody actually said it.

    If Apple or Steinberg did this there would be bloody murders, but no not the faux friend developer, definitely childish nonsense.

    The developer screwed up, he admits that, so nobody should be anything but supportive of the people who paid more during the 200% sale.

    A question I always ask myself before posting a completely against-the-grain screed that sure seems valid.

    Is it possible that the other people in the thread are being reasonable and I'm just an asshole?

    Food for thought.

    Not sure why you are calling yourself an asshole, but OK ;)

    It helps keep me humble.

  • PisadaanPisadaan

    I have purchased Korg apps in the past and Korg Gadget IAPs and the following week Korg holds 50% off sales. I might kick myself, but don't complain to Korg. Apps are worth what you decide to pay for them in the first place. I only hope that the KRFT devs don't get disheartened by all the negativity on this thread and continue to develop KRFT.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @studioAB said:

    @Alex fox said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @Alex fox said:.
    …
    I literally work my ass off making this product …

    Literally?

    Yeah - I used to have a huge ass and now it's just skin and bone.

    LOL was thinking the same thing. What's your secret? j/k

    Sell it to Weight watchers

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @studioAB said:

    @Alex fox said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @Alex fox said:.
    …
    I literally work my ass off making this product …

    Literally?

    Yeah - I used to have a huge ass and now it's just skin and bone.

    LOL was thinking the same thing. What's your secret? j/k

    Sell it to Weight watchers

    I think I prefer eating less cheese than working my arse off, to keep these hips of mine snake-like.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Alex fox said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Alex fox said:

    @Gunark said:
    Also - apologies if it can be done but if not, giving it the option to send Midi CC and NRPNs and such could open it up for synth programming too. I know others do this but it would be a cool bonus.

    It can send CCs - what's NRPN?

    Non-Registered Parameter Number?

    Like the ones that aren't registeted on a synth out of 0-127?

    Alex

    NRPN uses regular CC but reserved ones, it uses CC99 and CC98 to send 2 'halves' of the parameter number (MSB/LSB), allowing many more CC's than the standard 127, and CC6 to send the actual value :)

    here is a snippet from my Circuit editor (which uses NRPN) to show how this works. (ctlout is a Lemur function for sending CC), the 0 is the device number to send to (again this is a lemur thing), Chan is the MIDI channel number
    you would typically get the MSB and LSB values from the Midi Implementation chart for the device you are sending to...

    SendNRPN (MSB, LSB, Val, Chan)
    {
    ctlout(0,99,MSB,Chan);
    ctlout(0,98,LSB,Chan);
    ctlout(0,6,Val,Chan);
    }

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @MonzoPro said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @studioAB said:

    @Alex fox said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @Alex fox said:.
    …
    I literally work my ass off making this product …

    Literally?

    Yeah - I used to have a huge ass and now it's just skin and bone.

    LOL was thinking the same thing. What's your secret? j/k

    Sell it to Weight watchers

    I think I prefer eating less cheese than working my arse off, to keep these hips of mine snake-like.

    I tend to rely on the fact that Mrs P will give me enough jobs to do to work it off....I like cheese :)

  • TheVimFuegoTheVimFuego

    @MonzoPro said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @studioAB said:

    @Alex fox said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @Alex fox said:.
    …
    I literally work my ass off making this product …

    Literally?

    Yeah - I used to have a huge ass and now it's just skin and bone.

    LOL was thinking the same thing. What's your secret? j/k

    Sell it to Weight watchers

    I think I prefer eating less cheese than working my arse off, to keep these hips of mine snake-like.

    My hips are cheese-like.

    Edam, specifically.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @TheVimFuego said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @studioAB said:

    @Alex fox said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @Alex fox said:.
    …
    I literally work my ass off making this product …

    Literally?

    Yeah - I used to have a huge ass and now it's just skin and bone.

    LOL was thinking the same thing. What's your secret? j/k

    Sell it to Weight watchers

    I think I prefer eating less cheese than working my arse off, to keep these hips of mine snake-like.

    My hips are cheese-like.

    Edam, specifically.

    1 or 2
    :D :D :D

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Alex fox said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @tja said:
    Do we have moderators here?
    Maybe time to close the topic ;-)

    I think the mods are not here at the moment, but I agree this thread started kinda roughly and devolved from there. There's nothing much more productive to be said quite frankly.

    Agreed. Feels like we're going around in circles!

    Looping :D

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