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  • edited July 2017

    BeatMaker is too good to pass up. I didn't exactly know how or why I needed it (never been too deeply into sampling) but I could see that it was light years ahead of anything else on the platform and represented a huge leap forward in possibilities, so picked it up at sale price.

    I'm bloody glad that I did!! I read the manual and watched a few hours worth of videos on general sampling and beatmaking, as you can watch just about any Ableton Live (or other) video on sampling and almost all practical use cases are transferred to BM3 (I'm sure there's lots of niche and/or convenience stuff extra on Live, but 99.9% of practical functionality is transferable)

    Just starting to get the vibe of it properly and I'm really feeling the rewards. This is our fiddling around last night:

    Everything on the track aside from drums and the splash of vox was created by the instrument 'khomus' that you see Saydyy holding in the photo.

    Just a bunch of random shite, but by far the most fun and creative that I've felt with iOS in a loooong time. The 'better' kind of creative too, where the tools aren't being creative for you, just removing any creative barriers between the sound you want to create and creating it.

    By the way, I LOADED that previous project up with effects on pretty much every track and bus (we were making in real time, her jamming on mic and me tracking what I wanted here and there, throwing stuff on the tracks left and right for instant gratification). It didn't even show a hint of struggling on my Mini4.

    I need to get a lot better at it! If I'd been quicker I could have easily had a full track there. Missed so many great vocals and things because I'm still getting to grips with it and there are definitely some bugs to be fixed and refinements to be there, but the workflow is already here.

    I'd say get onboard to any one who's skeptical. It's certainly not restricted to any genre by its workflow and it's easily the most direct access to creative intention that I've found on the platform yet. Also very practical for using live. It can pretty much play AUM's role as a live instrument host (and will become more functional in this way as time goes on). AUM with a timeline anyone? That's just 0.1% of it..

  • edited July 2017

    @OscarSouth said:
    BeatMaker is too good to pass up. I didn't exactly know how or why I needed it (never been too deeply into sampling) but I could see that it was light years ahead of anything else on the platform and represented a huge leap forward in possibilities, so picked it up at sale price.

    I'm bloody glad that I did!! I read the manual and watched a few hours worth of videos on general sampling and beatmaking, as you can watch just about any Ableton Live (or other) video on sampling and almost all practical use cases are transferred to BM3 (I'm sure there's lots of niche and/or convenience stuff extra on Live, but 99.9% of practical functionality is transferable)

    Just starting to get the vibe of it properly and I'm really feeling the rewards. This is our fiddling around last night:

    Everything on the track aside from drums and the splash of vox was created by the instrument 'khomus' that you see Saydyy holding in the photo.

    Just a bunch of random shite, but by far the most fun and creative that I've felt with iOS in a loooong time. The 'better' kind of creative too, where the tools aren't being creative for you, just removing any creative barriers between the sound you want to create and creating it.

    By the way, I LOADED that previous project up with effects on pretty much every track and bus (we were making in real time, her jamming on mic and me tracking what I wanted here and there, throwing stuff on the tracks left and right for instant gratification). It didn't even show a hint of struggling on my Mini4.

    I need to get a lot better at it! If I'd been quicker I could have easily had a full track there. Missed so many great vocals and things because I'm still getting to grips with it and there are definitely some bugs to be fixed and refinements to be there, but the workflow is already here.

    I'd say get onboard to any one who's skeptical. It's certainly not restricted to any genre by its workflow and it's easily the most direct access to creative intention that I've found on the platform yet. Also very practical for using live. It can pretty much play AUM's role as a live instrument host (and will become more functional in this way as time goes on). AUM with a timeline anyone? That's just 0.1% of it..

    Very nice, look forward to hearing the full track.

    I think that's the main difference between a 'traditional' DAW such as Auria, and BM3 - it's more fun (once you've sussed out the workflow) to use because of the pad jamming element. Once they tidy up the clip launching functionality this will be my go-to recording app.

  • I doubt we'll make this idea into a track (very rough and more of a jam) but we'll defo use a lot of the ideas for sample processing that we came up with in the process. I particularly like the creativity of the automation/modulation workflow. Very quick but also deeply tweakable.

    And yeah, it's just plain fun and immediately rewarding, without 'shepherding' your creativity in any way!

  • @OscarSouth said:
    I doubt we'll make this idea into a track (very rough and more of a jam)

    Very nice stuff there. Interesting that this tiny ethnic instrument sounds very much like an intricately synthesized electronic sound when blended in this mix B)

  • edited July 2017

    @brambos said:

    @OscarSouth said:
    I doubt we'll make this idea into a track (very rough and more of a jam)

    Very nice stuff there. Interesting that this tiny ethnic instrument sounds very much like an intricately synthesized electronic sound when blended in this mix B)

    Cheers! Yeah it's amazing, we love it. Really a magic instrument (we have an album out called 'Aptaakh Khomus' - The Magic Khomus'). We consider it to be 'organic synthesis' as most of the traditional sound production techniques can be directly related to synthesis techniques (we find IceGear's 'resonator' synthesis modules expecially interresting). You can make full sound design with this instrument alone (add in pitching and sampling in BM3.. whoa!! All textural sounds on that track came from that instrument) and that's not even considering the MANY unique textural vocal sounds available (the complexity of Sakha Culture's overtone techniques would be 'FM' to 'organic synthesis', where more commonly known Tuvan/Mongolian overtone singing would be 'Subtractive'). Thing I like a lot about Sakha music too is that it's really rhythmical, trance inducing, shamanic and very full on. Very fun to work with!

    We've worked with synth experts 'Analog On' from the Trinity College music technology department a bit, and they've even brought in the Moog System 55 on one occasion. I have literally HOURS of improv between us (organic synthesis with live digital processing) and them (half a room full of modular synthesizers) at various academic summits and things.

    None of it is released yet, but I'm going to put the full recordings up for Patrons. There will be a cut back version for general consumption too, probably edited down to 10 mins out of 4+ hours.
    The Patreon is here if anyone is interested: https://www.patreon.com/UDAGANuniverse, although it's just being a placeholder right now as we've not launched all our new stuff yet, let alone put some content up there. I'll let you all know when we get it all up and running. It's probably the most amount of geeky shit that you can (technically) buy for one euro!

  • @skiphunt said:
    Any of the beta testers got any idea when the first update will drop? Very soon?

    I've seen enough to know I'm gonna dig the Shi'ite out of this once I get half my head around it. About to dive into some videos, but if a bug-fixin' update is close to dropping, might save myself some aggravation and hold off before I go all-in.

    But, as you earlier said about Affinity Photo for iPad, it's nice to see the developing of this two "Pro"apps, and what they will bring into the app...
    For me I kinda like the opportunity to dive in although there are some strange bugs, but, the joy Beatmaker 3 gives me conpensate for the anger of bugs :-)

  • edited July 2017

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Any of the beta testers got any idea when the first update will drop? Very soon?

    I've seen enough to know I'm gonna dig the Shi'ite out of this once I get half my head around it. About to dive into some videos, but if a bug-fixin' update is close to dropping, might save myself some aggravation and hold off before I go all-in.

    But, as you earlier said about Affinity Photo for iPad, it's nice to see the developing of this two "Pro"apps, and what they will bring into the app...
    For me I kinda like the opportunity to dive in although there are some strange bugs, but, the joy Beatmaker 3 gives me conpensate for the anger of bugs :-)

    I think you might have misunderstood the question, etc. To clarify, I like the app. I'm keeping the app. I like the app's approach.

    However, It's kinda buggy. It's frustrating to use when you're trying to learn the app but often it fails to even let you do something as simple as dragging a sample onto a pad. The app crashes for me often as well.

    So, I'm only asking if someone knows an update is about to go live. I've beta tested many apps and you can get a good idea when the dev is close to a fresh public update. If that's coming very soon, I'd rather learn on a more stabile version of the app, rather than struggle with so many bugs. A malfunctioning version of the app significantly slows down the learning process.

  • @skiphunt said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Any of the beta testers got any idea when the first update will drop? Very soon?

    So, I'm only asking if someone knows an update is about to go live. I've beta tested many apps and you can get a good idea when the dev is close to a fresh public update. If that's coming very soon, I'd rather learn on a more stabile version of the app, rather than struggle with so many bugs. A malfunctioning version of the app significantly slows down the learning process.

    Yup. I shelved it as soon as i couldn't get into my app. Will revisit once it's corrected.

  • @brambos said:

    @supanorton said:

    @vpich said:

    @necrome said:
    I'm mostly an acoustic musician, so I don't quite understand the appeal or usage for something like BM3. Probably not gonna get it unless I know how it can make my music better!

    Once they iron out the kinks even to acoustic musicians this is a game changer due to being a multitrack daw with link and a timeline. Cubasis and auria don't have link.

    This could be a can of worms, but what is Link, and why do I need it?

    Link is the best thing since sliced bread. And you need it because sliced bread is stale.

    Seriously though.. ableton link is an awesome super-stable way to sync apps on a device or even across multiple devices on the same network. It's like magic.

    Was just going to use "magic" as part of my awnser as well. Although in my case it truly is magic because i have no idea how it really works. It just does. Brambos knows the inner spells and tricks and STILL says it's magic.

  • @OscarSouth said:

    Very cool track, I love the atmosphere! :smiley:

  • OK I caved in and got BM3 :)

    I'm really enjoying using it - seems like it can pretty much do most things I need.

    I've had this weird glitch with AU plugin (think it was Ripplemaker) where when I reloaded a session back into BM3 the track payed back a semitone sharp. Weird. Not sure how to correct it either. I'll try rebooting.

    I had the same problem with the Enkl AU instrument used in AB3.. but Ripplemaker didn't do that in AB3.
    Ho Hum.

  • I've noticed that the automation recording of AU parameters seems to work in some AUs and others not. Is this a matter of some AU apps not being compatible? Or this feature in BM3 doesn't quite work right yet?

  • @boone51 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @gsm909 said:
    What a crazy couple of weeks for BM3. I've been trying to follow all the discussions, good and bad, and have managed to dodge the 'buy' button, but, Friday was pay day, and I hate to miss a bargain. SO....I had to buy it.

    I didn't get on with BM1, didn't buy BM2 and have been slowly winding down on my iOS music making and app buying, and I certainly didn't need a new DAW.

    That's what I thought, until BM3 came along.

    If they iron out the bugs, this could be the app of the year for me.

    This is me. I’ve kind of ended my exploration phase of ios music. I’m lucky enough to have found just the right suite of apps that fulfill all of my needs. Its actually a collection of fewer apps than I thought it’d be. I was reduced to an occasional lurker here, and despite missing some of my virtual friends here (JGY, I'm not talking about you, don't be so vain) I was ok with that. But we’ve all been patiently waiting for this one from Intua, and I was pretty sure it was impossible that it could live up to that hype. But for the first time in a long time, I’m actually really excited to sit down and explore a new app. Didn’t even realize how much I missed that, but I did. I am starting to also realize that my time invested in learning the quirks of BM2 might have given me a head start on understanding this new beast, which doesn’t suck.

    Always love an essential app list :) What's yours, and how do you use them together?

  • @skiphunt said:
    I've noticed that the automation recording of AU parameters seems to work in some AUs and others not. Is this a matter of some AU apps not being compatible? Or this feature in BM3 doesn't quite work right yet?

    Does it record the automation, but just not show the knob changes on play back? Or does it not record them at all?

  • edited July 2017

    @srcer said:

    @skiphunt said:
    I've noticed that the automation recording of AU parameters seems to work in some AUs and others not. Is this a matter of some AU apps not being compatible? Or this feature in BM3 doesn't quite work right yet?

    Does it record the automation, but just not show the knob changes on play back? Or does it not record them at all?

    Doesn't record automation of parameter changes at all. Not just the dials not moving.

    I was using frekvens AU. Didn't work. Tried audio damage rough rider and it did work. So, I don't think it was user error or ignorance... But, that's always a possibility ;)

  • @skiphunt said:

    @srcer said:

    @skiphunt said:
    I've noticed that the automation recording of AU parameters seems to work in some AUs and others not. Is this a matter of some AU apps not being compatible? Or this feature in BM3 doesn't quite work right yet?

    Does it record the automation, but just not show the knob changes on play back? Or does it not record them at all?

    Doesn't record automation of parameter changes at all. Not just the dials not moving.

    I was using frekvens AU. Didn't work. Tried audio damage rough rider and it did work. So, I don't think it was user error or ignorance... But, that's always a possibility ;)

    Just checkin' is Automation Recording turned on?

  • @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @srcer said:

    @skiphunt said:
    I've noticed that the automation recording of AU parameters seems to work in some AUs and others not. Is this a matter of some AU apps not being compatible? Or this feature in BM3 doesn't quite work right yet?

    Does it record the automation, but just not show the knob changes on play back? Or does it not record them at all?

    Doesn't record automation of parameter changes at all. Not just the dials not moving.

    I was using frekvens AU. Didn't work. Tried audio damage rough rider and it did work. So, I don't think it was user error or ignorance... But, that's always a possibility ;)

    Just checkin' is Automation Recording turned on?

    Yes. It worked as expected with a couple other AU apps, but not with others. Same settings.

    I'm at the very beginning of learning this, so its possible I'm doing something wrong. It's just I don't know if this is a bug or user error, or the other apps aren't compatible somehow.

  • Just tried again. Looks like it's just a few that don't seem to record AU parameter changes. I tried rough rider, RP-1 RF-1, mani, Svep, SquashIt, amazing noises apps, etc. all record auotomation for me. The only ones so far that don't are frekvens, and virsyn's AudioEffx & Bandshift

  • edited July 2017

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @srcer said:

    @skiphunt said:
    I've noticed that the automation recording of AU parameters seems to work in some AUs and others not. Is this a matter of some AU apps not being compatible? Or this feature in BM3 doesn't quite work right yet?

    Does it record the automation, but just not show the knob changes on play back? Or does it not record them at all?

    Doesn't record automation of parameter changes at all. Not just the dials not moving.

    I was using frekvens AU. Didn't work. Tried audio damage rough rider and it did work. So, I don't think it was user error or ignorance... But, that's always a possibility ;)

    Just checkin' is Automation Recording turned on?

    Yes. It worked as expected with a couple other AU apps, but not with others. Same settings.

    I'm at the very beginning of learning this, so its possible I'm doing something wrong. It's just I don't know if this is a bug or user error, or the other apps aren't compatible somehow.

    frekvens was a very early AU adopter. Have you contacted Erik Sigth/humbletunes?

  • @philowerx said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @srcer said:

    @skiphunt said:
    I've noticed that the automation recording of AU parameters seems to work in some AUs and others not. Is this a matter of some AU apps not being compatible? Or this feature in BM3 doesn't quite work right yet?

    Does it record the automation, but just not show the knob changes on play back? Or does it not record them at all?

    Doesn't record automation of parameter changes at all. Not just the dials not moving.

    I was using frekvens AU. Didn't work. Tried audio damage rough rider and it did work. So, I don't think it was user error or ignorance... But, that's always a possibility ;)

    Just checkin' is Automation Recording turned on?

    Yes. It worked as expected with a couple other AU apps, but not with others. Same settings.

    I'm at the very beginning of learning this, so its possible I'm doing something wrong. It's just I don't know if this is a bug or user error, or the other apps aren't compatible somehow.

    frekvens was a very early AU adopter. Have you contacted Erik Sigth?

    No. It's not that important to me at the moment. Was just trying to see while learning the app, if it was a BM3 bug, or user error, or 3rd party app issue.

    By chance, of the first 3 AUs I tried, i.e. Frekvens & 2 Virsyn AUs, none worked. Looks like several others do.

  • wimwim
    edited July 2017

    @skiphunt, You probably already know this but, if it's just knob tweaks you should be able to record the parameters directly using the "Show AU Knobs" button.

  • @wim said:
    @skiphunt, You probably already know this but, if it's just knob tweaks you should be able to record the parameters directly using the "Show AU Knobs" button.

    I hadn't seen this, but by chance... I just figured that out this morning. :) However, when I'm recording knob tweaks in the AUs I've cited as not working, ie. Frekvens and Virsyn's Bandshift and AudioEffx... although the knob tweak changes/automation ARE recorded... there doesn't sound like there's any effect at all from the effects. ONLY for these 3 apps though. ALL of my other AU effects record automation fine.

    @wim I'm assuming out of Frekvens, AudioEffx and Bandshift... you at least have Frekvens? If so, can you tell me if recorded automation works for you?

  • @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:
    @skiphunt, You probably already know this but, if it's just knob tweaks you should be able to record the parameters directly using the "Show AU Knobs" button.

    I hadn't seen this, but by chance... I just figured that out this morning. :) However, when I'm recording knob tweaks in the AUs I've cited as not working, ie. Frekvens and Virsyn's Bandshift and AudioEffx... although the knob tweak changes/automation ARE recorded... there doesn't sound like there's any effect at all from the effects. ONLY for these 3 apps though. ALL of my other AU effects record automation fine.

    @wim I'm assuming out of Frekvens, AudioEffx and Bandshift... you at least have Frekvens? If so, can you tell me if recorded automation works for you?

    No go on Frekvens automation recording. :( Not sure if the dev is on here and we can just ping them... or if it is an Intua thing?

  • @AudioGus said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:
    @skiphunt, You probably already know this but, if it's just knob tweaks you should be able to record the parameters directly using the "Show AU Knobs" button.

    I hadn't seen this, but by chance... I just figured that out this morning. :) However, when I'm recording knob tweaks in the AUs I've cited as not working, ie. Frekvens and Virsyn's Bandshift and AudioEffx... although the knob tweak changes/automation ARE recorded... there doesn't sound like there's any effect at all from the effects. ONLY for these 3 apps though. ALL of my other AU effects record automation fine.

    @wim I'm assuming out of Frekvens, AudioEffx and Bandshift... you at least have Frekvens? If so, can you tell me if recorded automation works for you?

    No go on Frekvens automation recording. :( Not sure if the dev is on here and we can just ping them... or if it is an Intua thing?

    I'll test it if I get a chance. Shame if it doesn't, it's one of my favourite fx.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:
    @skiphunt, You probably already know this but, if it's just knob tweaks you should be able to record the parameters directly using the "Show AU Knobs" button.

    I hadn't seen this, but by chance... I just figured that out this morning. :) However, when I'm recording knob tweaks in the AUs I've cited as not working, ie. Frekvens and Virsyn's Bandshift and AudioEffx... although the knob tweak changes/automation ARE recorded... there doesn't sound like there's any effect at all from the effects. ONLY for these 3 apps though. ALL of my other AU effects record automation fine.

    @wim I'm assuming out of Frekvens, AudioEffx and Bandshift... you at least have Frekvens? If so, can you tell me if recorded automation works for you?

    No go on Frekvens automation recording. :( Not sure if the dev is on here and we can just ping them... or if it is an Intua thing?

    The dev is @humbletune

  • @skiphunt said:
    @wim I'm assuming out of Frekvens, AudioEffx and Bandshift... you at least have Frekvens? If so, can you tell me if recorded automation works for you?

    Yeh, got Frekvens, just no time... :/
    I see others beat me to it though, so question answered. The best thing is to report it over on the BM3 forums under the Bug Reports section. I might if no-one else does over the weekend. But as I only have Frekvens it would be less thorough than if someone else did.

  • @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:
    @wim I'm assuming out of Frekvens, AudioEffx and Bandshift... you at least have Frekvens? If so, can you tell me if recorded automation works for you?

    Yeh, got Frekvens, just no time... :/
    I see others beat me to it though, so question answered. The best thing is to report it over on the BM3 forums under the Bug Reports section. I might if no-one else does over the weekend. But as I only have Frekvens it would be less thorough than if someone else did.

    done!

  • @AudioGus said:

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:
    @wim I'm assuming out of Frekvens, AudioEffx and Bandshift... you at least have Frekvens? If so, can you tell me if recorded automation works for you?

    Yeh, got Frekvens, just no time... :/
    I see others beat me to it though, so question answered. The best thing is to report it over on the BM3 forums under the Bug Reports section. I might if no-one else does over the weekend. But as I only have Frekvens it would be less thorough than if someone else did.

    done!

    Cool. I'll throw up a confirmation once I get a few minutes to test.

  • @boone51 said:

    @supadom said:

    @RustiK said:

    @supadom said:
    BM3 is perfect. We just need more AU goodness on IOS. It seems to be that basically BM3 was made to be future proof. With the scene launching it covers pretty much all areas. It doesn't have built in synths but AU more than sorts that out. Now I wish all of my favourite apps were made AU. IAA seems to have been ill conceived from the start. I never had them recalling properly, be it in Cubasis or other daws.

    So what's the next AU candidate? Samplr? Impaktor?

    Someone like your opinion will surely allow me to reset my views and reassess in a week or 2.

    I value your input regarding apps like this.

    To be completely honest mr Rustic, I get super bored with Daws. They were fine for the first 10 years of my computer music career. Now the lack of immediacy is showing and cannot be ignored. I buy these apps out of addiction but won't really use them unless someone asks me to remix something or I get that Daw phase.

    Now the only thing for me is loopy, Samplr, Impaktor, Turnado. Hands on shit with maximum immediacy. Just like getting into that spaceship you've known all your life, close your eyes and ride. I'm too old a dog for new tricks. IOS has given me enough already.

    Probably one more treasure might be loopy pro, most likely loaded onto the 10" iPad Pro with all other apps updated to suit.

    BM3 is just smoke and noise to me at the moment, but that's alright.

    Funny thing. I did think of you and your music when I started exploring scenes. I thought you might particularly be interested in it. I know you and I have fallen into our trusted setups, and I am definitely happy with mine. But couldn't resist pulling the plug on an OG like beatmaker if for no other reason than to support those guys in some small way. But I've been very impressed with it so far. might be worth another look. You'll see plenty of videos here I'm sure. I'm not sure you want to dismiss this one completely.

    Hope you're doing well, btw. Its been a while.

    Hey @boone51 thanks for asking. I'm being a builder on my self build double extension project which is eating most of my free time. The good news is that I have a little detached studio now which I'll be using loads once the building stops which shouldn't be too long now. All good, just rather dusty around here! ;)

  • Just thought I'd chime back in - yep, I eventually bought BM3. And it's pretty killer as a sound module if you've got a decent controller.

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