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@Sinapsya I'm just saying that it is totally unrelated to IAA. Those bugs would be there with IAA implemented or not. Anyway, let's not get sidetracked too much.
Yeah but a couple of those months were probably spent planning how to lock other Devs out.
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One cool thing I discover now, on AC2, is that you can copy more then 12 files, for now I copy 14 From AudioShsre and 2 From Figure, and I see all in list in their app menù....
I think it's cool :-)
More useful then First AudioCopy....
Oh. Snap.
Well, that's just it: he already has. The Audioshare SDK is essentially the same tech that Retronyms is using to make "AudioCopy 2" happen. Since apps can no longer share a pasteboard the new AC2 is, from what I understand, a very elaborate 'Open In'. Plus ads.
Argh, maybe I'm just being petty nerd but this says it all to me: The Retronyms AC SDK is available as a zipped download on one their blog posts. The AudioShare SDK is available on GitHub. It's almost 2014 ffs.
Lesson to be learned and out there for developers and users: over the last eleven months, an "App-developer's Ethic" has been cultivated by AB forum users in regards to what is acceptable and supported by AB users, and what is not. I think a general "let's support apps that contribute to the overall musicality of the IOS platform" mentality is prevalent, rather than a "let's see who can stab who in the back" attitude. (Same goes for our vaunted "civility and good natured courtesy" we use with each other here) I don't think such an attitude is pervasive in selling new cars or the best new resturant, etc. It is unique here because of the initial tone set by Michael & Sebastian when they started Audiobus - it was for everybody to be able to hook every app together and get them playing in harmony, making them all better. The AB forum certainly has it's favorite developers, and they all seem like ones that communicate well with this forum, implement changes at super-human speed, and show good intentions and outright support for other apps and developers. Sometimes they all get together for dinner, or Jam together on the sidewalk. Regardless, apps rising up and down the charts in synch with our opinions should make this new ethic apparent to any developer who wishes to pay attention to what has been successful this year. Word.
@j_liljedahl love your stuff. Bought your AUFX:Space last month just to show my appreciation. Haven't used it yet but I will love it I'm sure.
AUFX:Space is a FANTASTIC app!!! I'm like addicted to using that thing!
They definitely want to compete with AudioShare. No question about that. Then again, competition is healthy... I think.
@Simon ACP and ACP2 are both free for devs to implement. I'm guessing Sonoma didn't do ACP2 because ACP was making them no money.
Retronyms perhaps took it on as a strategic opportunity to 'own' all audio transfer workflow on iOS. In order to achieve that strategic goal, it makes sense for them to replicate AudioShare functionality and basically try to kill AudioShare in the process or render it irrelevant. From a pure business perspective, it all makes 'sense' (though not sure why they'd care about owning audio transfer workflow). In the meantime they're hoping to make up the cost of development / marketing by using it to boost sales of their other apps, by ads etc.
That said, calling this "the missing file browser for iOS musicians" makes it clear that they are going to be a bully about it. This isn't some gentlemanly competition, this is no-holds-barred. Guitarism may not mention iShred in its description but it also doesn't claim to be the first guitar app for strumming chords. Their claim is disrespectful to @j_liljedahl's awesome work on AudioShare, especially given that they probably studied AudioShare carefully to see what features they should include in their app (or if they didn't, they should have!) And I guess that's just business. But I think this community deserves better than 'just business'
When i go to the list and i try to go to DM1 it goes to the i-tunes store.... but it says it's only available for ipad. Seems i have a secret version on the iPhone 4
It's really a strange thing with this whole AudioCopy. But how someone meantioned we still have 3 ways yet.... best would be of course a "native" iOS option for this. If we once have 10 ways to copy/paste it will confuse a bit.
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@Rhism:well said.I think it's time to support you and buy your app even if i have no use for it
(Oh,wait.I actually did it once.I downloaded it on a friends iPad cause his girlfriend broke her guitar and i tried to cheer her up a bit)
By the way,i can't get ACP 2 to work.I have only two apps to test (audioshare and auria)but the files i copied from audioshare did not show up in Audiocopy nor did they in auria when i try to paste something...And the ACP app IS starting and running in the background.
Are you just being polite? Honest question. I haven't looked at the source of the AC2 SDK (so wtf do I know) but this looks to be exactly like @j_liljedahl's innovative solution with a few added features.
This shit just rubs me so wrong. There are more important things in the world to worry about, no doubt, but arggggh wtf. This isn't Samsung and Apple, it's small indie developers serving the same community/small audience. I still haven't gotten over BM2 completely aping NanoStudio's editor. Total horseshit. Then again, if it is indeed 'the best way' to do something it's probably absurd to not expect people to copy it (though if "it's just business" it should be licensed).
This is where it needs to be voiced. https://www.facebook.com/retronyms
I think the key is to diversify.
With the future developments of Audioshare (IAA Host) and other things @j_liljedahl has in mind Audioshare will still be as valuable as of today.
Audio Copy 2 was logical and is also needed. Its as much a selling argument for an app as for example Audiobus.
Therefore, hats off to Audioshare, still one of the most valuable apps for me. But I'll go and download ACP2 now as well.
I tried to make peace .... but unfortunately all this hate from the community ios arises from their choice not to implement Audiobus last year .... as they say: Retronyms if asked for it.
Wow. This escalated quickly
@chrisg says
"A "standard" ACP on the iOS platform will not live long enough to be the "standard" if it's by a independent 3rd party developer using a closed SDK , atleast that's how I read it all. If a dev like Kymatica can't implement a thing like batch copy/paste becouse Retronyms SDK is closed (just as an example), other devs and users would obviously seek for a new more open ACP ....? I would."
Ironically, this is Audiobus model...
Wow, it was sleepy time here in Sweden (and my 4G went down because of lots of rain) so I couldn't stay in this discussion yesterday. Now I'm back and people have been busy posting
First of all, I received an email from Retronyms that they now rephrased "the missing file browser" into “AudioCopy is a Smart Clipboard for your iOS Apps” on their site! I think this is very nice of them, but I'm sure it was because of the help from you all raising your voices (since nothing happened when I emailed them weeks ago). So, big thanks everyone!
Regarding "ACP3", I have no intentions of trying to create yet another standard for this. I rather spend my energy improving AudioShare and making other fun and useful apps.
AudioShare SDK already is an alternative and quite similar to ACP2 (also depends on an app being installed, and also falls back on generic pasteboard even if that's not documented). However, AudioShare is not free and ACP2 is free, and as people already said - it can never become a standard if it's not free. But with my current model, I need to charge for AudioShare because that's how I get paid for the (immense amount of) time I've spent (and keep spending) on it.
I don't want any hate, and now that they rephrased their marketing I hope that ACP2 and AudioShare can co-exist in harmony.
I don't think so.
@Sebastian: Surely you have shown that a standard can be created without making it free
But you didn't have any competition at first, and had the time to establish Audiobus before JACK showed up, and now IAA. It would be quite different to try to establish a non-free ACP standard.
I like to think that just being first isn't enough. Delivering something that works and is a pleasure to use is key. That being said I don't really know how to use this new AudioCopy app. Audioshare on the other hand I'm using almost daily.
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That's very true, Sebastian.
@j_liljedahl @Sebastian AudioShare & AudioBus is not free but are THE STANDARD for sure!
Jack & Audiocopy2 are for free but isn't standard....maybe in the future Audiocopy2 can will become for sure...
@j_liljedahl stated: First of all, I received an email from Retronyms.....
I'm really happy to hear that they changed the wording! You deserve credit where credit is due......and credit is due to you! :-) You're a great developer, and I'm very happy if I was able to in some small part help your cause. :-) What's fair is fair, and you deserved to be treated fairly by Retronyms. :-)
I just checked out the Retronyms Facebook page and saw this:
Jeremy Mcgill: Audioshare is the "missing file browser on iOS". You guys should reword your app description... If not, that's ok, but we will ALL advertise for audioshare in all of your reviews. Thanks Retronyms.
This struck me as a VERY POWERFUL form of persuasion in the iOS app world! It never occurred to me previously how advertising in reviews about a different and competing audio app can be such a powerful equalizer for companies that pull bullying corporate stunts that hurt us all. I'm going to remember this lesson for the future!
This was Retronyms response. A joke.
Retronyms Thanks for the feedback here. Although I'm not sure I understand. We updated and improved AudioCopy for free. For us that's what this App is all about.
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Here's a link to the dialogue. Well, the one liner.
https://www.facebook.com/retronyms/posts/10151772516229081?comment_id=27594624&offset=0&total_comments=6&ref=notif¬if_t=share_reply
True @Sebastian!