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Political Songs on forum?

The decision to disallow political threads seems like a good one to me. However, it occurs to me that there is a potential cross-over point; political songs/ songs with political content. Everyone has their view, some more passionate than others, some tongue-in-cheek, a few highly specific.

A number of the greatest rock tunes ever made have political content. Dylan’s Hurricane, Live’s in the Balance by Jackson Browne, Tramp Down the Dirt by Elvis Costello, Keep on rockin’ in the Free World by Neil Young, tc, etc.

Therefore, I submit that it might be a good move to dedicate a small section of the forum to discussion of existing political songs and the presentation of songs with political content by forum members. This allows a certain freedom of expression, without polluting the general forum. Sniping commentary and personal arguments could still be deleted.

So how about it, Michael/ everyone. Is this a good idea?

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  • Music is different than discussion, right? Making a section of the forum solely for political songs seems like overkill to me. All music should be allowed, and discussion should stay within the guidelines Michael suggested.

  • @ksound said:
    Music is different than discussion, right?

    >

    Sure. But discussing how well a point was made, and the work required to actually make a song with political content strikes me as productive, and healthy.

    Confining such stuff to a particular area would mean no one who voluntarily goes in there or contributes content could complain that a regular thread has been polluted.

  • I don’t have any problems with that proposal - I don’t see musical creations being the same as discussion, and certainly don’t want to stifle anyone’s creativity

  • edited December 2017

    @Michael said:
    I don’t have any problems with that proposal - I don’t see musical creations being the same as discussion, and certainly don’t want to stifle anyone’s creativity

    >

    I have no idea if it would be popular. I just thought that rather than our friends JeffChasten and Tritonman - or anyone else - sniping at each other and getting angry, they could make their respective points in songs.

    The latest RTM album, for example, has a song called ‘Poliical Clowns’ which reiterates the idea that global politics is used to divide us, and once divided the only winners are those referred to in the title.

    https://repulsethemonkey.bandcamp.com/track/political-clowns

    But if someone wanted to to launch a considered, eloquent attack on any political ideology or individual, such as the aforementioned ‘Tramp Down the Dirt’, it might be interesting to hear it. :)

  • edited December 2017

    @Zen210507
    If it’s not too much trouble, would you consider posting the lyrics? I’m having a hard time making out the words. Love the way you use delay/echo/panning. Great idea for a thread, too.

  • @supanorton said:
    @Zen210507
    If it’s not too much trouble, would you consider posting the lyrics? I’m having a hard time making out the words. Love the way you use delay/echo/panning. Great idea for a thread, too.

    >

    Thanks, Supanorton. I’m going to add all lyrics to the album page on BandCamp, later today. Got delayed with health issues. You know how it goes.

    POLITICAL CLOWNS

    Alex Jones,
    Steamin' and a-rollin'.
    Alex Jones,
    Never gonna stop.

    Wait a minute.
    That was Casey Jones.
    Both guys are driving a train.
    Casey J rode tonnes of steel.
    Does Alex have tonnes of real?

    America, it's time.
    Time to wake up.
    Right becomes left,
    And left becomes right.
    People gettin' ready,
    For the big fight.

    But who wins the day.
    If everyone is down.
    Not you and me.
    It's the political clowns.
    Come together,
    Like John Lennon said.
    Don't let fake news,
    Mess with your head.

    Left becomes right.
    And right becomes left.
    Democracy is gone.
    A victim of theft.
    Who wins the day?
    Only you can choose.
    Just make sure,
    We all don't lose.

  • @supadom said:

    >

    I enjoyed that one, Supadom. Terrific video, and lyrics delivered with passion.

  • Political songs thread <3 , now I'm off to Susanna's hen party.

  • Found a few others we don’t hear all the time...

    Don Fardon - Indian Reservation
    https://youtu.be/fs9d_W_ikLU

    Elvis Costello - Two Little Hitlers
    https://youtu.be/1trgIWENOdQ

    Tin Machine - Under the God
    https://youtu.be/aV-hjaULMU4

    Leon Rosselson - Ballad of a Spycatcher
    https://youtu.be/nP7vFG4XfmU

  • edited December 2017

    MAGA

    Angina would be fine
    Massive stroke would do
    Pancreatic cancer would suffice
    So many ways would be nice
    To say goodbye to you

    Make asshole go away

    Second verse
    Same as the first

    Make asshole go away

    How's that?
    (Yeah, I know it has a heavy Lou Reed influence)

  • @supadom said:

    Great stuff, man. Love the message.

  • edited December 2017

    @Zen210507 said:

    @supanorton said:
    @Zen210507
    If it’s not too much trouble, would you consider posting the lyrics? I’m having a hard time making out the words. Love the way you use delay/echo/panning. Great idea for a thread, too.

    >

    Thanks, Supanorton. I’m going to add all lyrics to the album page on BandCamp, later today. Got delayed with health issues. You know how it goes.

    POLITICAL CLOWNS

    Alex Jones,
    Steamin' and a-rollin'.
    Alex Jones,
    Never gonna stop.

    Wait a minute.
    That was Casey Jones.
    Both guys are driving a train.
    Casey J rode tonnes of steel.
    Does Alex have tonnes of real?

    America, it's time.
    Time to wake up.
    Right becomes left,
    And left becomes right.
    People gettin' ready,
    For the big fight.

    But who wins the day.
    If everyone is down.
    Not you and me.
    It's the political clowns.
    Come together,
    Like John Lennon said.
    Don't let fake news,
    Mess with your head.

    Left becomes right.
    And right becomes left.
    Democracy is gone.
    A victim of theft.
    Who wins the day?
    Only you can choose.
    Just make sure,
    We all don't lose.

    Good stuff, @Zen210507. Thanks for posting the lyrics.

  • I have just stopped hanging around a forum that had become nothing but politics. I’m not accusing anyone of anything, but posting the lyrics to political songs is just as certain a way to fire up anger as just talking about it. Posting the songs is one thing, and hopefully people can be sensible as Michael suggested. But I dunno about posting the lyrics, it seems like an easy way to get around that ban.

    Of course, we could get some entertaining poetry wars that way. :D

    But this really is a good, laid back forum, (aside from the occasional spats between supporters of different DAWS, B) ). It would sure be nice to keep it that way.

  • I disagree.. I don’t any of those songs listed are “some of the greatest songs of all time”.. You forgot Dylan’s “Blowin’ in the Wind” and Marvin Haye’s “Whats goin’ On”.. As I get older I find myself being more and more averse to artists and musicians talking about politics, period. I don’t want songs to be my source of political info. You could remove all political songs from music and it would still remain intact IMO and for all practical purposes.

  • I have always wanted to say, "Put your views into music, Bud". You may even make some money ..... And be less angry...

  • edited December 2017

    Yesterday Michael posted "let's try to avoid the political" and this is the respect he's being given?

  • We're adults all of us...I'm pretty sure people know when are reaching the limits.

    There's a lot of music that can be considered political, not only the obvious (to me): Rage ATM, Green Day... also Joan Báez, Victor Jara (actually he died for), Paco Ibáñez, Pablo Milanés, etc.

  • edited December 2017

    Just an example (from a poem by José Martí)...close your eyes and enjoy such beatiful melody.

    I prefer the version by Soledad Bravo

  • I think the suggestion by @Zen210507 to have a political songs section is a good one as people can express themselves about or with music with respect to politics in a particular section of the forum and those who choose not to can easily bypass it.

  • @Telstar5 said:
    I disagree.. I don’t any of those songs listed are “some of the greatest songs of all time”.. You forgot Dylan’s “Blowin’ in the Wind” and Marvin Haye’s “Whats goin’ On”.. As I get older I find myself being more and more averse to artists and musicians talking about politics, period. I don’t want songs to be my source of political info. You could remove all political songs from music and it would still remain intact IMO and for all practical purposes.

    I pretty much share your sentiments. Back in the Napster days I put together a playlist called Sucking In The Wind: A Selection of Cringe-Inducing Protest Songs.
    It included: "Signs", "Things Get A Little Easier", "The Unknown Soldier", "Cherokee Reservation", "American Woman", "One Tin Soldier"...I (mercifully) forget the rest.
    The artists hearts were in the right place, but still...

  • edited December 2017

    @rickwaugh said:
    I have just stopped hanging around a forum that had become nothing but politics. I’m not accusing anyone of anything, but posting the lyrics to political songs is just as certain a way to fire up anger as just talking about it. Posting the songs is one thing, and hopefully people can be sensible as Michael suggested. But I dunno about posting the lyrics, it seems like an easy way to get around that ban.

    Of course, we could get some entertaining poetry wars that way. :D

    But this really is a good, laid back forum, (aside from the occasional spats between supporters of different DAWS, B) ). It would sure be nice to keep it that way.

    Agree. Contemporary Politics are the new religion. It fills the void of meaning, especially with younger people. I'm not interested in religion. And I dislike people with a mission as soon as they think they bring a solution I also should belief in. But of course Gospel songs can be nice but I don't need to read the words of praise for Jesus fully spelled out. And in this sense it's just a easy way for those new believers to go around.

  • Hmmm, maybe a separate section would be better. Problem is though, the way the main page is configured, all categories show.

  • @mannix said:

    @rickwaugh said:
    I have just stopped hanging around a forum that had become nothing but politics. I’m not accusing anyone of anything, but posting the lyrics to political songs is just as certain a way to fire up anger as just talking about it. Posting the songs is one thing, and hopefully people can be sensible as Michael suggested. But I dunno about posting the lyrics, it seems like an easy way to get around that ban.

    Of course, we could get some entertaining poetry wars that way. :D

    But this really is a good, laid back forum, (aside from the occasional spats between supporters of different DAWS, B) ). It would sure be nice to keep it that way.

    Agree. Contemporary Politics are the new religion. It fills the void of meaning, especially with younger people. I'm not interested in religion. And I dislike of people with a mission. But of course Gospel songs can be nice but I don't need to read the words of Jesus.

    I also love Gospel music, but don't believe a word of the primary text.
    When people ask me how I can reconcile that seeming contradiction, I ask them, "Do you think that Muddy Waters, Mick Jagger, Jeffreylee Pierce, and Miles Davis really believe in voodoo?"
    They are both just rich sources of imagery and tonal inspiration.

  • No politics please.

  • +1 for posting recordings of political songs still being in the musical spirit of things.

    +1 that posting the lyrics is tempting fate/pushing it.

    -1 on adding a politics section. That's why we have Facebook.

  • @syrupcore said:
    +1 for posting recordings of political songs still being in the musical spirit of things.

    +1 that posting the lyrics is tempting fate/pushing it.

    -1 on adding a politics section. That's why we have Facebook.

    +1

    To be honest I’m sick to the back teeth with politics and organised religion - it doesn’t matter who you vote or pray for, it’s all out of our hands anyway. It’s all about money, bombs, and money. And divisiveness.

    So while I applaud Mr Zen’s attempts at finding a creative outlet for some of this stuff (and I’m sure many will enjoy the exchange), I won’t be visiting, it just sends my brain into a poo-loop of despair. I’m giving up my obsessive news watching/reading too. Probably.

    The rest of my days on this planet are going to be about art, music, friends and being very, very silly.

  • @JeffChasteen : LOL, right on point!

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @syrupcore said:
    +1 for posting recordings of political songs still being in the musical spirit of things.

    +1 that posting the lyrics is tempting fate/pushing it.

    -1 on adding a politics section. That's why we have Facebook.

    +1

    To be honest I’m sick to the back teeth with politics and organised religion - it doesn’t matter who you vote or pray for, it’s all out of our hands anyway. It’s all about money, bombs, and money. And divisiveness.

    So while I applaud Mr Zen’s attempts at finding a creative outlet for some of this stuff (and I’m sure many will enjoy the exchange), I won’t be visiting, it just sends my brain into a poo-loop of despair. I’m giving up my obsessive news watching/reading too. Probably.

    The rest of my days on this planet are going to be about art, music, friends and being very, very silly.

    Respect and best wishes in that quest :) Especially the silliness.

  • @mannix : Soeaking as an agnostic/deist , you’re 100% correct. Politics is the “new religion” for atheists. EVERYONE believes inSOMETHING.
    If it ain’t broke , don’t fix it. This is an awesome forum. I cringe when I see a political post here.

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