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Political Songs on forum?

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  • edited December 2017

    Was thinking about this while on a run this morning, and it occurs to me that actually overtly political songs tend to have a very limited shelf-life. "California Über Alles" — the Dead Kennedy's screed against Governor Jerry Brown (!) — and its "jazzier" update for Reagan, "We've Got a Bigger Problem Now," are kind of just agitpop curiosities. I'm not sure they'd resonate with anybody who didn't live through the 80s.

    But a song like "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" — while arguably political, it's more about social justice. And it kills me every time I hear it, even though the villain is kind of obvious. An even better (and more helpless) song by Dylan about injustice is "Percy's Song."

    That said, I had my political mind formed by "Washington Bullets," by the Clash, which put forth a shocking proposition in 1980 but is commonplace today. And that one I think survived its era and is more true than ever.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    Was thinking about this while on a run this morning, and it occurs to me that actually overtly political songs tend to have a very limited shelf-life. "California Über Alles" — the Dead Kennedy's screed against Governor Jerry Brown (!) — and its "jazzier" update for Reagan, "We've Got a Bigger Problem Now," are kind of just agitpop curiosities. I'm not sure they'd resonate with anybody who didn't live through the 80s.

    But a song like "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" — while arguably political, it's more about social justice. And it kills me every time I hear it, even though the villain is kind of obvious. An even better (and more helpless) song by Dylan about injustice is "Percy's Song."

    That said, I had my political mind formed by "Washington Bullets," by the Clash, which put forth a shocking proposition in 1980 but is commonplace today. And that one I think survived its era and is more true than ever.

    You have pinpointed the problem with most political songs; they do indeed become agitprop curiosities and in turn, nostalgia triggers.

  • There is also the responsible use of power by rock musicians, without lecturing. I’m thinking if Springsteen’s words before the live version of ‘War.’ A song that is as valid now as it was when first released.

    For those who may not have heard it, the last thing he says to the audience before launching into song is_ “Blind faith in your leaders, or anything, will get you killed.”_

  • A song my dad played me a lot growing up, had a bigger impact than I realised, wasn't till I was much older that it dawned on me what the old fruit was up to.

  • “If woodie Guthrie were alive today, he’d have a lot to write about”

    This is Springsteen giving a short “political” talk before a very good political song.

    Added bonus of some awesome Tom Morello guitar where he pretty much shows off all of his signature skills but still keeps it very musical. Watch it till the outro solo it’s worth it :-)

  • edited December 2017

    @mister_rz said:
    A song my dad played me a lot growing up, had a bigger impact than I realised, wasn't till I was much older that it dawned on me what the old fruit was up to.

    >

    Love Harry Chapin. The most altruistic rock star ever, and a great songwriter, too.

  • @Extnctn6 said:

    “If woodie Guthrie were alive today, he’d have a lot to write about”

    This is Springsteen giving a short “political” talk before a very good political song.

    Added bonus of some awesome Tom Morello guitar where he pretty much shows off all of his signature skills but still keeps it very musical. Watch it till the outro solo it’s worth it :-)

    >

    I remember when Thatcher was literally trying to starve striking miners into submission, Brooooce donated thousands of pounds to their families.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @Extnctn6 said:

    “If woodie Guthrie were alive today, he’d have a lot to write about”

    This is Springsteen giving a short “political” talk before a very good political song.

    Added bonus of some awesome Tom Morello guitar where he pretty much shows off all of his signature skills but still keeps it very musical. Watch it till the outro solo it’s worth it :-)

    >

    I remember when Thatcher was literally trying to starve striking miners into submission, Brooooce donated thousands of pounds to their families.

    Here’s one for the Iron Lady as well then.. :-P

  • edited December 2017

    @Extnctn6 said:
    Here’s one for the Iron Lady as well then.. :-P

    >

    Ah, Chumbawumba. At a Brit Awards, ISTR, they emptied a bucket of ice water over Champaign socialist deputy PM John Prescott. :) Great.

  • You will agree
    Agree with me
    While I count riches, I starve your family
    So understand it’s society
    That makes you seem useless

    Reports the press
    It’s in the news
    That boys just lazy
    He ain’t got the blues
    We will make him feel worthless

    Rise up taxpayers
    Shout loud and cruel
    Cos it’s you that’s paying for their bed and gruel
    Point him to the rock and the rock breakin’ tool
    Beat him ‘til he’s lifeless

    It’s the way it is!
    It’s the way it be!
    Your future is just a depository
    For the wealth of the few, it can’t change for me
    With alternatives they gain less

    A product count
    Won’t let you see
    Capitalism - nihilistic hypocrisy
    But you sold your soul, so let them be
    As the rich they couldn’t care less

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    You will agree
    Agree with me
    While I count riches, I starve your family
    So understand it’s society
    That makes you seem useless

    Reports the press
    It’s in the news
    That boys just lazy
    He ain’t got the blues
    We will make him feel worthless

    Rise up taxpayers
    Shout loud and cruel
    Cos it’s you that’s paying for their bed and gruel
    Point him to the rock and the rock breakin’ tool
    Beat him ‘til he’s lifeless

    It’s the way it is!
    It’s the way it be!
    Your future is just a depository
    For the wealth of the few, it can’t change for me
    With alternatives they gain less

    A product count
    Won’t let you see
    Capitalism - nihilistic hypocrisy
    But you sold your soul, so let them be
    As the rich they couldn’t care less

    >

    Powerful words, Fruitbat. Would be good to hear the other half, the music to back it up.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    You will agree
    Agree with me
    While I count riches, I starve your family
    So understand it’s society
    That makes you seem useless

    Reports the press
    It’s in the news
    That boys just lazy
    He ain’t got the blues
    We will make him feel worthless

    Rise up taxpayers
    Shout loud and cruel
    Cos it’s you that’s paying for their bed and gruel
    Point him to the rock and the rock breakin’ tool
    Beat him ‘til he’s lifeless

    It’s the way it is!
    It’s the way it be!
    Your future is just a depository
    For the wealth of the few, it can’t change for me
    With alternatives they gain less

    A product count
    Won’t let you see
    Capitalism - nihilistic hypocrisy
    But you sold your soul, so let them be
    As the rich they couldn’t care less

    >

    Powerful words, Fruitbat. Would be good to hear the other half, the music to back it up.

    If only I wrote music that was suitable for these sort of words. My music is kinda repetitions and movements of noise lol

  • edited December 2017

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    If only I wrote music that was suitable for these sort of words. My music is kinda repetitions and movements of noise lol

    >

    Ah, this is where collaboration has an advantage. Here is the lyric to another political song from the new RTM album.

    It is aimed at the political classes in general, not any one politician or party.

    Below the words, a link to the track itself.

    HAIL VICTORY

    There's a modern-day Moses on the BBC
    laying down the law for you and me
    He's got rules enshrined
    on tablets of stone
    and the voice of God on his mobile phone
    He's telling all the good boys
    not to raise their voices
    and to be sure when it's time
    to make their final choices

    It's terrorism by trigger-word
    designer style
    Snappy dressing no messing
    and a whispered, seig heil.

    Things always look better,
    Moses tells the elite,
    when you're looking back.

    Pumping out a litany
    of immoral ticks and crosses
    He's looking at the balance sheet
    and cutting down his losses
    Winding the wheels that grind
    he's palming secret looks
    While making education cuts
    and banning certain books

    Winkle-picking brothel-creeping
    sodomy and rum

    Duplicity is waved across the printed page
    waved like a semaphore flag
    These days it's getting hard to tell
    who's for real and who's in drag

    And a whispered seig heil

    https://repulsethemonkey.bandcamp.com/track/hail-victory

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Zen210507 said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    You will agree
    Agree with me
    While I count riches, I starve your family
    So understand it’s society
    That makes you seem useless

    Reports the press
    It’s in the news
    That boys just lazy
    He ain’t got the blues
    We will make him feel worthless

    Rise up taxpayers
    Shout loud and cruel
    Cos it’s you that’s paying for their bed and gruel
    Point him to the rock and the rock breakin’ tool
    Beat him ‘til he’s lifeless

    It’s the way it is!
    It’s the way it be!
    Your future is just a depository
    For the wealth of the few, it can’t change for me
    With alternatives they gain less

    A product count
    Won’t let you see
    Capitalism - nihilistic hypocrisy
    But you sold your soul, so let them be
    As the rich they couldn’t care less

    >

    Powerful words, Fruitbat. Would be good to hear the other half, the music to back it up.

    If only I wrote music that was suitable for these sort of words. My music is kinda repetitions and movements of noise lol

    Don't worry about that. Guthrie borrowed "Goodnight Irene" for almost a dozen of his own songs, and did pretty good. :p

  • @JeffChasteen said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Zen210507 said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    You will agree
    Agree with me
    While I count riches, I starve your family
    So understand it’s society
    That makes you seem useless

    Reports the press
    It’s in the news
    That boys just lazy
    He ain’t got the blues
    We will make him feel worthless

    Rise up taxpayers
    Shout loud and cruel
    Cos it’s you that’s paying for their bed and gruel
    Point him to the rock and the rock breakin’ tool
    Beat him ‘til he’s lifeless

    It’s the way it is!
    It’s the way it be!
    Your future is just a depository
    For the wealth of the few, it can’t change for me
    With alternatives they gain less

    A product count
    Won’t let you see
    Capitalism - nihilistic hypocrisy
    But you sold your soul, so let them be
    As the rich they couldn’t care less

    >

    Powerful words, Fruitbat. Would be good to hear the other half, the music to back it up.

    If only I wrote music that was suitable for these sort of words. My music is kinda repetitions and movements of noise lol

    Don't worry about that. Guthrie borrowed "Goodnight Irene" for almost a dozen of his own songs, and did pretty good. :p

    Actually I do have a piece I’m making in AB3 at the moment. It’s early days, but it just might work in a very non commercial way lol. I do need to buy a mic though!

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