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Jeff, you are making yourself sound foolish describing Costello as not having imagination. Using ‘cancer’ in a song is not clever, it’s lazy use of a trigger word. What Elvis did showed respect, clarity, focus and maturity.
As he later explained for the hard of thinking, ‘Tramp Down the Dirt’ was more about the ideals espoused by Thatcher, than the woman herself. So what he was burying, was the failings and frailty of Thatcherism itself.
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Michael has, quite rightly, censored the talking.
But politics is a major part of all our lives, whether we like it or not. Expressing a view as music, intelligently, is a lot different to arguing the toss.
It’d be interesting if there were actually some truly political songs, ones which pushed the strategy of running a country in a certain direction (rather than merely complain and whine about the way it is already done).
For example, songs that fully specify an economic direction, what will happen to health and education spending, military spending, business incentives and resistances, etc. Songs which specify whether to cater for the larger portion of less intelligent people in the population, or instead to focus on the smaller proportion of people with greater leverage with freedom to develop and execute productive ideas. Songs which detail how the infirm and disadvantaged will be helped and supported as a result of this productivity. Songs which lay down policy regarding housing and transport. Songs which specify how much beer and cigarettes shall be penalised. This is not the kind of thing that ends up in a song. All you get is whining and complaining about how bad it is to be downtrodden, and a general moroseness and pity about decisions made at unspecified times in the past, in a kind of { Joni Mitchell / Hudson Ford / Run DMC / The Beat } type of protest song manner. That’s not political, that’s whining (well, it is when Bob Dylan sings).
A truly political song would lay down policy, not lament it.
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Respectfully, I disagree. Musicians are not politicians. When they forget this, we get Bono.
Our job, if we chose to be creative on the subject, is to protest injustice, expose lies and insist that those who are politicians do a better job.
Well said!
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No thanks.
Then simply don’t participate. It isn’t mandatory, and the idea is to keep the rest of the forum politics free.
You asked so I just gave my answer
Anyway, it will not work, simply because politics and internet are a toxic combination, especially in places like this.
You can, of course, share all kind of musical material with all kind of political views for that matter:
There’s a “Creation Section” for this.
But we don’t need a political song’s section imho.
N.1 reason is that we don’t have the maturity or the intelligence for disagreeing in a respectful way.
It’s the number 1 reason why I’m not on Facebook, Twitter etc too.
(And remember that this is the place where SOMETIMES “casual guys on the Internet” fight with anger and call all kind of names for a subscription model, an app not universal or not working as they want)
All views most welcome.
Great, then perhaps Michael would set up a political song section within. Song, not discussion.
I’m with you there. Vile paces both, filled with people who have nothing to say, saying it anyway.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m guilty here. After all I did post a pic of one political figure
That being said, I see that already this has just become mostly political discussion again. Even people I respect for their writings on here are expressing opinions that are essentially just political ideals and opinions.
Once we state are opinions on anything that regards more than just ourselves, we are close to the political line - we dance around this line everyday. We express it especially here as many of us are ‘makers of music’, and being of this bent, many of us exhibit: an exuberance of passion, strong desires to create that which is new, desire to express and often a need to be heard.
So good luck with cutting out the politics. My opinion is that it just won’t happen. We are not the type of people that will not sing out our songs loud, proud and sometimes angry
The only thing we can truly achieve is to better listen to the song of others. While we may disagree with passion, allow others the same respect we wish from all when we sing our song.
This is my idea and is a political ideal.
The only thing we can truly achieve is to better listen to the song of others. While we may disagree with passion, allow others the same respect we wish from all when we sing our song.
That is what I hope for.
The majority of those posting to this thread have been courteous enough not to express a specific political preference. There are no flame wars.
If a few music makers here are putting time and effort into crafting a song with political content, then I’d love to hear it. I’m not obliged to agree, but am open to being persuaded by a clever, informed lyric.
Those few just wanting to spew more hatred for one or another politician, or heap vitriol on a political path, miss both the point and the opportunity.
I don’t think it is the occasional political references but how some folks get massively defensive about it. The mods here have tolerated the OT non music stuff splendidly but when you come to having putting out lots of little fires might as well pour the whole bucket all over it. I totally understand the standpoint.
Let’s just not be like little kids I.e. asking what’s allowed and then push it to the limits.
Let’s just be bloody civilised independently of people’s views. You cannot take people’s circumstances out of their posts we’re all sensitive souls down under however we try to conceal it.
I woke up today with freedom in mind
Not anger, nor hatred
Just thoughts that were kind
The day it ‘came long
Became bitter and twisted
Found I would struggle
Found I had to fight
Found that no peace was coming
Not to me, not tonight
I struggled with walls
I struggled with those walls
Those that I created
I struggled with those walls
Those that the politicians created
I struggled with those walls
But cannot tear them down
The tv shouted at me
Keep off the grass sign so real
Found I would get angry
Found I began to hate the rules
Found society chained me
Yes me! Yes tonight!
I struggled with walls
I struggled with those walls
Those that I created
I struggled with those walls
Those that the politicians created
I struggled with those walls
But cannot tear them down
I woke up today with fighting in mind
Full of anger and hatred
For men of all kind
The agenda was set
Media controlled by money by evil by men
Found I had to shout
Found I wanted to show the world
Found they could not see me
Not me, nor hear me
Not behind my wall
I struggled with those walls
Those that I created
I struggled with those walls
Those that the politicians created
I struggled with those walls
But cannot tear them down
Walls they cannot see behind
Walls they cannot hear behind
Walls that make us disappear
Walls within our minds
I tried a political song, but failed miserably lol. Turned into a high school poetry contest failure and I began laughing like an idiot while trying to write music for it haha
Greatest political song of all time:
Freedom isn't free. It costs a buck 'o five.
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Sounds like you had fun, and gave it a go. Bravo.
BTW, I too have problems with Walls. These days, their sausages have skins that are more like reject condoms!
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Great fun. Proving we can have a laugh among all the serious stuff.
I’m on a diet and boy do I miss sausages
I’ve got my beans, got my fried bread
Got sausages in my head
Just remember I told you it here first
Don’t shrink my beer, I have a thirst
Now I have someone else to blame
That EU political breakfast train
I told them: “don’t circumcise my sausage”
Nor should they stodge my porridge
Keep your politics right out my tea
Or you will wish it wasn’t me
That pulls the strings of the Brexit vote
Shovelin’ shirt right down their throat
In the end it all tastes the same
In a political point we frame
It’s like music from MTV
No nourishment for you and me
I’m not entirely sure you meant to use ‘shirt’ but It is a brilliant line.
It was a lucky mistake
Ok here goes...
Life like ours is nothing now
We walk around in darkness clouds
We never will rise above
We have forgotten heart and love
The leaders on their hidden thrones
Watch us fight over ideals they've sown
ideals that will never bring
Peace and rest to weary kin
Instead we walk in smaller circles
Tracing our forefathers burden and hurdles
We dream and push to try and escape
But slip and fall with one mistake
One day we unstandard in loss of meaning
There is no out
We are not leaving
+1
I was being tongue in cheek about the "brilliance" of using non-pop song words in a pop song, but I stand by my assertion that he is reveling in his imagining of Thatcher's death. Also, the first verse traffics in garden variety cheap sentimentality (pretty much unavoidable when one sticks a kid in a song)
"Let Him Dangle" is a much better political/social commentary song from the same era.
Edit: it's early; I put the actual phrase for the song title. Fixed now.
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Like the words, are you working on the music?
You are entitled to your view.
The first minute or so of this video shows Costello explaining exactly what the song is about: burying an ideal.
https://youtu.be/IaZ8PormR1w
I can never help being skeptical concerning Costello's explanations. Y'know, the man who famously tried to explain, "I really didn't mean that 6 letter racial slur when I used that 6 letter racial slur. Repeatedly"
See what I mean?
That being said, I really do like his music, though.
He is a monster talent.
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Not really, Jeff. He got very drunk, said something stupid and out of character, has spent years apologising and lost millions of dollars. Enough.
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On that we can agree.
He's also a very generous man. A few years ago, my friend was backing up an artist who spent several weeks opening up for Costello on tour. The artist was contracted for a pittance (for the exposure, y'know)
When Costello found out about this, he personally kicked in $$$ to see that they were making a decent wage.
Artists create art. Nobody I've ever known expects a recipe for solving the world's problems. Art can express and validate feelings. Inspire people. if it can inspire people to look for the right answers, it's as powerful as it hopes to be.