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The other I spent a good 15 minutes typing a reply that was both tongue-in-cheek and, i suppose, highly political... it was immediately rejected and deleted.
I understand the forum needs rules and should stick to music... but my music is highly political. Will it still be welcome here? Hmmm...
There are no political or critical thinking artist that exist in mainstream music. That’s for good reason (they don’t want you to think). They gave you Dylan in the 60s.... but even Dylan was controlled and although he was a great songwriter (and a lousy yet effective singer) he was a limited hangout and would never dare reveal the true power running our world. He made the deal.
... but my music is highly political. Will it still be welcome here? >
Sure, according to boss man Michael. Posting politically inclined musical creations here, is fine.
Jeff, you disappoint me. I watched both parents die of cancer, and wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
How about making some music to illustrate your political point, if that is not too much trouble.
Agreed.
Nothing wrong with that, Mr Monzo, and your attitude is to be applauded. These days, I too avoid having flat out arguments that change no minds, and just waste time better spent.
I do, however, see some small value in commenting via song. Based upon the many times that such works have made me think differently and re-evaluate.
Lennon’s marvellous ‘Working Class Hero’ being an early example.
Hey, I'm a survivor. I get the tempting fate dispensation. Honest, I looked it up.
I am sincerely sorry about your parents.
I agree with this point and believe this is the kind discussion that should be fair on this site. You may enjoy this review. Well worth reading for anyone interested in critical thinking in art and anyone reading this thread.
http://www.criticsatlarge.ca/2013/03/american-composer-frank-zappas.html?m=1
Thank you.
The point I hope you take is that channeling whatever you find wrong with the Donald into song is not only smarter, but more effective than wishing illness.
If Costello had simply said he hoped Thacher died, that comment would’ve soon been yesterday’s news. Whereas ‘Tramp Down the Dirt’ stands as an enduring and potent testament to the times, events and emotions.
"I'll stand on your grave and tramp down the dirt" isn't reveling in imagining that bitch's death? Really?
At the risk of sounding immodest, vaunted wordsmith Costello didn't have the imagination to use the unusual (for pop lyrics) words "angina" and "pancreatic cancer" No, that would be a Lou Reed move (as I noted earlier)
Why are people so hell bent on talking about politics on this forum.. It comes up every few months.
There is literally a million other places to discuss politics on the internet.
Politics divides and alienates people on music forums, and causes angst nearly always. Seen it many times on other music forums..
There’s pretty much no actual politics in music. Or at least, rarely.
When you’ve erroneously been thinking that there’s politics in music, what you’ve been observing is largely a pattern of how bad it is to be poor and down trodden, or how bad it is to be a marginalised minority, and down trodden, against the big bad uncaring rich and privileged minority who control everything. That’s perennial, and really isn’t what politics is all about. Neither is the newspaper and television news view of politics – that’s merely a self-serving continuous conveyor belt of content necessary to the news media. When it comes to music, however, there really isn’t any need to manufacture song material in the same way, so whatever political content there is to be found is almost always quite one dimensional and vapid.
Of course back in history, song structure — particularly ballads — were a form of memory aid to pass on current news to an illiterate public, using viral social networking. Even then, the political content although more than it is now, was nevertheless fairly unrevolutionary.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of all that: Lennons Some Time in New York City, Neil Young, Crass etc. etc. And I’ve been on more demos and activities than most.
Just a personal thing. I need all my energy for day to day stuff, without taking on the lizard overlords as well.
Best of luck with it
This!
Personally I think modern music needs a lot more politics in it. Today’s mainstream music is generally so weak and watered down it’s pathetic. Music has always been political from the old folk songs handed down by word of mouth through to punk and hip hop and the underground rave scene.
Politcal music is a great way to inspire people in my opinion and it inspired me from an early age to participate in politics.
However I agree this forum is not at all the place to peddle or debate political opinions but I see no harm in people posting political music on here and I’m very interested to hear it even if it’s something I don’t agree with as it might then inspire me to right a song with my own counter opinion regarding the same topic.
Left wing, right wing, same bird
All of your politics are controlled. Your media is run by 5 corporations and they are rapidly dismantling freedom of speech. Everything you react to or are triggered by is what you are meant to be reacting to. They are transforming the world into a centralized corporate global power...
As for ‘politics’ - perhpas the term is being used erroneously. What i meant by politics is music that challenges the establishment and shines a spotlight on how controlled our thoughts are.
Dylan was stereotypical ‘small man’ crusader as was Bob Marley and even John Lennon. They never really revealed much and basically regurgitated universal messages that help push globalization and new world order agendas (imagine sums that up succinctly). We idolize those who couldn’t see or were wilfully complicit in deception. We falsely believe that tavistock initiated peace movements were organic forces that stopped the ‘war-machine’. The truth is far more disturbing.
I don’t suppose folks like to hear this shit in music forums.... but if you don;t speak out then you are part of the problem...
Art has always been a > @u0421793 said:
Having a politics section is r> @Zen210507 said:
Cheers Zen and @supanorton , I've dug this one up from early this year. Kind of enjoyed listening to it again. It would sound good in a live set.
I still think the separate political song section is a bad idea, and our own creations, whether political or not, should have a place on the main section of the website. Posting political songs and lyrics by other artists, though, is just a roundabout path to political posts, and should have the same rules applied. If you’d like to post about politics here, take the time to put your thoughts into a song and share it.
Again my suspicions confirmed . There are some pretty smart people on this forum.
@Zen210507
Would you be willing to create a thread just for political songs? It could be like that song of the month thread.
Decades old song by Woody Guthrie (seriously)
Old Man Trump
by Woody Guthrie
I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate
He stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts
When he drawed that color line
Here at his Beach Haven family project
Beach Haven ain't my home!
No, I just can't pay this rent!
My money's down the drain,
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower
Where no black folks come to roam,
No, no, Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain't my home!
I'm calling out my welcome to you and your man both
Welcoming you here to Beach Haven
To love in any way you please and to have some kind of a decent place
To have your kids raised up in.
Beach Haven ain't my home!
No, I just can't pay this rent!
My money's down the drain,
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower
Where no black folks come to roam,
No, no, Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain't my home!
(trees and characteristics of acorns and such)
I think there should be more suitable place to upload Political Songs but not here.
Suppressing politics is, well, politics. I grew up with political songs, and they were part of vital movements. Music is where your passion is. Maybe today people are too busy to be bothered, or just need to avoid the discomfort of confrontation. But what's allowed on this site is up to the owners. FWIW, I come here for the iOS discussions.
...or you can go to set up a new forum site for Political Songs,and post the link here,maybe it'll be ok.I believe that the new forum of Political Songs will attract the right person.And I just want to find the good way to create music on IOS in here.Politics is too sensitive,I don't want to see my favor forum be closed because of Political Songs.
About politics in general, in 2015, everyone in this forum really didn’t discuss politics. People from all walks of life came here to discuss music and help each other to become better musicians as well as better people in general. There was a great sense of camaraderie and fellowship amongst us. The forum felt like a tightly-knit community.
Then the 2016 election cycles happened both in the US and the UK, and this is when people started bickering about the dumbest things. Forum members (some of which have been here since day one) were banned. Things basically went downhill and attitudes became more and more bitter. By the start of this year (2017), most everything online outside of this forum became politics. This forum is still better off than most of the internet, but to be honest, it doesn’t matter if I agree with a viewpoint or not. I’m simply sick and tired of politics and how politics have marred the way this forum once was.
As a matter of fact, I like what @jcdream proposed. If places like KVR and Facebook don’t float your boat, start a forum dedicated entirely to political music and politics. Good luck moderating that place. See, you could create the greatest “middle of the road” egalitarian anti-war protest song (much like “Blowin In The Wind”), and still there’ll be that one person (no matter what side of the political spectrum they’re from) who’ll become “oh so offended” and start a flamewar. Heaven forbid should you actually pick a side on a viewpoint and put it into song form.
Bottom line: I miss the way these forums were. I’d rather not have ANYTHING political here.
Whole lotta music I like - Linton Kwesi Johnson, Stiff Little Fingers, Dropkick Murphys, Rage Against The Machine, A Tribe Called Quest, just to name a few - wouldn’t be what it is without the politics, and I enjoy listening even without buyin all of what they’re sellin messagewise. Artistic expression is never a problem for me, specially when it kicks ass.
One thing I forgot to mention in my other post above mate is that there are a LOT of great songs out there that ARE political that I like. I even wrote a holiday song one could consider political, or not. I’m saying that, in regards to this forum, politics have more often than not sparked a lot of heated vitriol. I’m of the mindset that prevention is always better than intervention.
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I thought this was it, supanorton. Does something special have to be done?
One good thing with a specific category is that you can effectively ignore it.
Wise words.
Many people just don’t get it. All ‘sides’ are essentially the same, and this is being used to suppress us all.
Speaking out needs to happen, and music can be a powerful force for good.