Patterning 2

Artefact2001

Just imagine modulating all those MIDI CCs by an unlimited number of Patterning AU instances!

Will

@benkamen said:

@Dawdles said:
Out of curiosity what functionality would Patterning lose if it was AU? Sounds significant from they way you mention it, just wondering what apple have screwed up this time

Some Patterning features that don't make sense in an AU Instrument :
MIDI Out (unless it's a MIDI only version, but I doubt that is useful in 99% situations because how many AUs would pair well with 8 midi tracks as input? Just a very few (ruismaker? any others?). MIDI makes a lot more sense in a standalone or host app. And having a MIDI only and Audio only version seems excessive. Unless hey, they are two separate paid versions? People would love me for that.....)

Not to beat a dead horse but just some future fodder: with AUMs MIDI channel filter feature you don't need to find an AU that pairs well with 8 tracks of MIDI input. That is, as long as you can set each P2AU track to a different MIDI channel, you're free to route the tracks to more than one instrument quite easily. Could send 5 to a drum app and three to different synths or whatever.

Also, yes, there are other multi-timbral AU drum apps beyond the mighty Ruises. MV08 and Vatanator come to mind but I'm sure there are more and/or more coming.

Like I said earlier, I have absolutely zero concerns about P2 being stand-alone/IAA. Or rather, I cannot wait to get my finger prints on it no matter the format!

Will

@SpookyZoo said:

@syrupcore said:

@SpookyZoo said:

@syrupcore said:
If I set up a track's CCs to work with a target MIDI device or app I want to be able to quickly recall it in the future. This is the biggest shortcoming of the Digitakt for me personally. I LOVE the feature but I'm just too lazy to do it over and over! Ain't that what computers are for?

Wouldn't pressing AMP, FUNCTION, COPY(rec) to copy CC# page help here? AMP, FUNCTION, PASTE(stop) to paste.

If you know the pattern & track you've set up for your device, you can copy and paste this between tracks and patterns even in different banks on the Digitakt.

Yes, this kinda works but it's still a hack compared to the Digitakt's already available 'Sounds' feature for sample based tracks. With the Sound Browser, you can import and export any sound with all of its parameters. You can start a blank project or be working on an existing one and simply pull in one of those sounds. No such luck with MIDI-only "sounds". You have to use a base template, load it and be sure to 'Save as'. If you add something to your base template later and want it in another project... meh.

Plus, they're not named. I guess I could name the pattern and only have one MIDI sound set up per pattern you can't exactly see that in list format; more like manually loading patterns until you find the one you want. I just want to hit the Sound Browser, switch the list to "MIDI Only", select the one I want and get back to making a racket.

Damn. Now I want this too.

Right? I've been sending beers to Cenk. No luck yet. I think the DT is a fantastic MIDI sequencer. It's just lagging behind the sample half of the unit in a few ways.

With "MIDI Sounds" you could not only save CC setups for target synths, you could also save MIDI sounds that include a specific bank+program change. The former would be like controller templates for an external device but the latter would allow you to save sounds that recall specific patches on target synths.

Taking this further, it would be dreamy if the DT had a notion of "MIDI Instruments". That construct would allow you save CC names, set a default MIDI channel for it and save sounds for it, etc. So you'd switch to the MIDI Sounds page and then select a human friendly instrument and then select a sound.

Another, semi related DT wish: some way of automagically routing a MIDI track to an audio track without using a physical loop back cable. And once they do that, the ability to use a MIDI track as an audio track transpose source, natch.

Sorry for the thread derail. Sorta(?) makes sense as Patterning is the closest app to a Digitakt on iOS!

echoopera

Good thing I can already route midi to AU synths in AUM

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Here's a cool preview of Patterning 2 ( with screenshots ) on the cdm website :

http://cdm.link/newswires/patterning-2-is-coming-and-its-going-to-be-awesome/

robosardine

I hope there is an easy way of knowing/ remembering which cloud kits you have downloaded so you can quickly find the ones you haven’t got from the list- or is there a way of doing this already?

AndyPlankton

@syrupcore said:
This might be crazy sounding but maybe food for post-launch thought: I think there's room in the AU world for a MIDI-only single track version of Patterning. I reckon Bram has proven this. The number of features available to a single track in Patterning is pretty immense when considered from a step sequencer point of view.

Make that with HiRes CC and NRPN support and I'm in. , who am I kidding, I'm in even without those

stormbeats

@AudioGus said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
For me, the biggest change is the ability to play in a beat on pads. I've been asking for this since I can remember.

I think Patterning is one of the Special Ones, up there with Samplr. It's an instrument, not just a collection of sounds. In its own way, it's like GR-16. (Real shame nobody dived into that app since it wasn't AU....)

But of course GR-16 has internal synths so it makes it easy and convenient which I think is what everyone is on about with AU. Load one app, make a dah muzik.

Seriously though Patterning should really be an AU host. That would be mind blowing. An all in one load it up and go happy fun groovebox. Dayum!

I been looking online for pic of the new Patterning pads do you have any? Are there 16 pads?

stormbeats

@stormbeats said:

@AudioGus said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
For me, the biggest change is the ability to play in a beat on pads. I've been asking for this since I can remember.

I think Patterning is one of the Special Ones, up there with Samplr. It's an instrument, not just a collection of sounds. In its own way, it's like GR-16. (Real shame nobody dived into that app since it wasn't AU....)

But of course GR-16 has internal synths so it makes it easy and convenient which I think is what everyone is on about with AU. Load one app, make a dah muzik.

Seriously though Patterning should really be an AU host. That would be mind blowing. An all in one load it up and go happy fun groovebox. Dayum!

I been looking online for pic of the new Patterning pads do you have any? Are there 16 pads?

I just looked at the website I see 8 weird hexigan sort of shaped pads?

ALB

I'm very intrigued by the possibility of Patterning as an AU host, especially as the developer seems open to that. I was playing around with MidiSteps last night as an AU host and it's actually pretty great. It is more limited in many ways than Patterning (can host four AU instruments but with unlimited AU effects), but the possibilities are huge and workflow fairly direct - great for song creation. If Patterning had this functionality, it could almost be a DAW by itself (a bold statement, waiting for criticism).

kobamoto

Imho the most urgent needs are to be able to

A. play multiple patterns at the same time,
B. the option to have the automation resolution independent of the sequencer,
C. sample zoom,
D.sample start/end automation,
E.sample slicing,
F. and universality (ipad/iPhone)

reason being that if we are able to have multiple patterns playing at the same time, that alone would extend/boost the usefulness of the current features already implemented. You'd be able to chuck some drums, bass, synths, and samples together to make some very groovy concoctions yes indeed, yessir, yes you would
And it would certainly take the edge off having to wait for all of the other things we want to be implemented.

AikiGhost

@kobamoto said:
Imho the most urgent needs are to be able to

A. play multiple patterns at the same time,
B. the option to have the automation resolution independent of the sequencer,
C. sample zoom,
D.sample start/end automation,
E.sample slicing,
F. and universality (ipad/iPhone)

reason being that if we are able to have multiple patterns playing at the same time, that alone would extend/boost the usefulness of the current features already implemented. You'd be able to chuck some drums, bass, synths, and samples together to make some very groovy concoctions yes indeed, yessir, yes you would
And it would certainly take the edge off having to wait for all of the other things we want to be implemented.

Yep Sample Slicing woudl be great andthing that makes hip hop boom bap style beast in general would be great.

One other thing to ask is why only 8 pads? Why not allow 16, 32, 64 per kit? Would make life so much easier.

kobamoto

I haven't heard Ben mention anything about the amount of pads but that's a good question, I love the dimensions of the UI but that wouldn't even have to change if all you had to do was hit a tab right above the first drum, that made the next page appear.

ExAsperis99

I believe it’s 8 pads, to correspond with the 8 drum channels.

AikiGhost

@ExAsperis99 said:
I believe it’s 8 pads, to correspond with the 8 drum channels.

Yes but why only 8 drum channels? Why not alow the power of your iPad to decide how many channels you can run?

Will

@kobamoto said:
Imho the most urgent needs are to be able to

A. play multiple patterns at the same time,
B. the option to have the automation resolution independent of the sequencer,
C. sample zoom,
D.sample start/end automation,
E.sample slicing,
F. and universality (ipad/iPhone)

reason being that if we are able to have multiple patterns playing at the same time, that alone would extend/boost the usefulness of the current features already implemented. You'd be able to chuck some drums, bass, synths, and samples together to make some very groovy concoctions yes indeed, yessir, yes you would
And it would certainly take the edge off having to wait for all of the other things we want to be implemented.

B and D would blow my mind. It will cost you a track but I think you could use an internal midi track to automate anything on another track. Or use Bram's app.

Also, if sample zoom happens, sample slicing by hand wouldn't be a big deal. It's just really hard to do now via the current (handsome but small for the purpose) window if your source is longer than a bar or two.

kobamoto

Agreeeeeed

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@InfoCheck said:
Yes I would gladly pay for a separate AU MIDI app version of Patterning.

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+1

Also, if P2 does get AU3, that’s another buy button pushed!

RJB

Having fun with the beta, experimenting with Midi and sending chords out. 3 tracks out to one synth, set each to play one note in a chord. Add some random and ratchet and i’m getting interesting arpeggiated chord progressions. This is way easier than Patterning 1 for Midi sequencing.

handed

Sounds awesome! Preordered and waiting

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ExAsperis99

@tja said:
Sure no landscape mode?

What are you talking about? It has always had landscape and so will Patterning 2. Is this like "No Collusion"? The lie that is repeated becomes truth?

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ExAsperis99

@tja said:

@ExAsperis99 said:

@tja said:
Sure no landscape mode?

What are you talking about? It has always had landscape and so will Patterning 2. Is this like "No Collusion"? The lie that is repeated becomes truth?

I don't know, which is why I am asking.

More early in this thread I read that it has no landscape mode, which would prevent me from buying it.

Glad to hear, that this is different

EDIT: rereading this, it becomes clear that this was a comment on apps in general, not Patterning. And also, it was already misunderstood by others

Apologies for being sharp-tongued. You asked only once. It works in landscape mode.

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@tja said:

@ExAsperis99 said:

@tja said:
Sure no landscape mode?

What are you talking about? It has always had landscape and so will Patterning 2. Is this like "No Collusion"? The lie that is repeated becomes truth?

I don't know, which is why I am asking.

More early in this thread I read that it has no landscape mode, which would prevent me from buying it.

Glad to hear, that this is different

EDIT: rereading this, it becomes clear that this was a comment on apps in general, not Patterning. And also, it was already misunderstood by others

Probably my fault....i was attempting a humorous response to a post someone made about using apps that only have Portrait mode......i was referencing the Goons, a British 1950's radio comedy show, starring Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan, Michael Bentine, & Harry Seacombe.....this went over everyone's heads.....not surprising really, this being 2018 & an international community, speaking many different languages, from a myriad of different countries, all with different cultural references.............!
Mea Culpa .........apologies all round!!

Telstar5

@ExAsperis99 : Zero evidence of collusion.. Not that we’re supposed to be even bringing it up here or anything . Total nonsense .

ExAsperis99

hahaha

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ExAsperis99

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