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The 2018 iPad Pro models - what to expect?

I’m eagerly awaiting Apples release of the new model of iPad Pro (2018)...

But, if Apple is rejecting the headphone jacket on all iPads, how do we react on that?

I’ve bought and had own ten (10) iPads since the first release 2010. And together with that invested around 2800$ in software for that iPads...
But will the lastest (2017 iPad Pro 12.9” 256GB/4G) be my last?

https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/27/2018-ipad-pro-headphone-jack-more/

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  • They may not remove the headphone jack because there is so much room on the iPad. If they intended to, they would have removed it a year ago.

    Heck, we even want a dedicated mini MIDI jack on the iPad to free up other sockets :smile:

  • I see that simeone had started an similar tread with similar topic...
    I close this thread now and the discussions may continue in the other thread...

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    Hmmmm...
    How do I close an thread started by myself? Can’t find a way? @Michael

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    Hmmmm...
    How do I close an thread started by myself? Can’t find a way?

    Ask moderator?

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  • They don't talk about whether there will be an OLED screen or not. Hope it's the case!

  • Vertical use with Smart Keyboard? That’s odd too.

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    They will make it thinner and double the cpu and gpu power.....but then it will does the same as the new macbooks....throttle down after a short boost. Soon the open beta will begin....when sales starts to public, :)

  • A few days ago I just changed from my 2015 iPad Pro big size, to the newer iPad Pro medium size (256GB) with a keyboard also. I really like the size, and it was actually quite an impediment to portability with the other big one.

  • Face ID only opens in portrait mode. Means no buy. Although I probably would never go for the pro models. I'm not a pencil user and won't see me use one in the future. Furthermore the faster multithread power is also hardly used because as far as I know there's hardly any app developer the uses this for their apps. Test shows there's hardly any speed difference between rendering movies and photo's with the 2017 Pro's and budget 2018 models.

  • @greengrocer said:
    Face ID only opens in portrait mode. Means no buy. Although I probably would never go for the pro models. I'm not a pencil user and won't see me use one in the future. Furthermore the faster multithread power is also hardly used because as far as I know there's hardly any app developer the uses this for their apps. Test shows there's hardly any speed difference between rendering movies and photo's with the 2017 Pro's and budget 2018 models.

    +1 FaceID Portrait mode for larger iPad models really sucks for audio appd users. Besides that you're right about multithreaded use, the benchmarks may seems stunning on the 2017 iPad Pros in practice/ real use you hardly feel de difference with the 50% cheaper 2018 budget model. The only reason I can think of chosing the Pro model is the 4GB and if you are an artist that needs to use a pen. That said the lack of an audioport is quite unpro.

  • Been holding off on buying a new ipad until they release the new ones. Still might buy a used 12.9 pro depending on spec and price. I'm REALLY tempted by a Surface Pro recently (Would love a mobile touch solution for running Bitwig or Ableton). In a perfect world Apple would just go ahead and release a "Macbook Touch" and be done with it. But I've given up on that dream.
    Most wanted feature on a new ipad would be... RAM... WAY MORE RAM. Like 16gb. Of course an easier way to connect to the outside world wouldn't hurt either. Generally pretty happy with the ipad as is. I just hope they don't f**k it up somehow :#

  • I just paid off my iPhone 6s + on my ATT plan, and for the first time since the advent of smartphones, have no desire to upgrade for the foreseeable future. I'll probably feel the same way about my iPad Pro 2 for quite a few years to come as well... When the battery is toast, I'll probably pay to replace it, but unless they come out with some revolutionary improvement with their next few models, I really don't see much of a point in upgrading.

    One thing I'll never regret is future proofing my tablet and phone with max capacity. Definitely has been worth the premium.

    It would take something like an iOS Ableton/Reason/Bitwig for me to see the need for more cpu cycles, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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  • @Dawdles said:
    Spacecraft, Quanta, Bitwig, VCVrack, reaper, cakewalk, ableton....if Surface Go can run this stuff then I’m gone and just look at my iPad like a standalone instrument again, bail on the platform for composition and scratch pad. Saddest thing is that Apple would have only themselves to blame. They had the entire mobile music market in their pocket but just kept testing and testing them :/

    Still a Big ‘if’ tho.... keen to see some benchmarks etc for surface go. And apps like Drambo might turn out to be a big iOS magnet.

    I have been eyeing the Surface scene for a while now and tried my hand at one for a little bit. It just seemed that programs not designed specifically for touch screen from the ground up were very cumbersome to use.

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  • @Dawdles said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Dawdles said:
    Spacecraft, Quanta, Bitwig, VCVrack, reaper, cakewalk, ableton....if Surface Go can run this stuff then I’m gone and just look at my iPad like a standalone instrument again, bail on the platform for composition and scratch pad. Saddest thing is that Apple would have only themselves to blame. They had the entire mobile music market in their pocket but just kept testing and testing them :/

    Still a Big ‘if’ tho.... keen to see some benchmarks etc for surface go. And apps like Drambo might turn out to be a big iOS magnet.

    I have been eyeing the Surface scene for a while now and tried my hand at one for a little bit. It just seemed that programs not designed specifically for touch screen from the ground up were very cumbersome to use.

    Yeh my experience too. But things like Spacecraft and Quanta are headed there now... might soon be a different story..

    Hmmm, right and Aparillo from Sugar Bytes is likely very touch friendly. I may just have to give Bitwig a try again. It seemed there was an initial setup/customization/ramp up required that kept me from getting too excited on the one day I had with it. It seemed like learning the dektop first then migrating over could be a good path. The BM3 experience reminded me of just how nice it is to find a ‘home’ to focus on instead of the ‘dragon chasing’ that iOS was for me for so long. Maybe Bitwig could be my next BM3... or they just release 3.1 and all is well heh. ;)

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    @Dawdles said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Dawdles said:
    Spacecraft, Quanta, Bitwig, VCVrack, reaper, cakewalk, ableton....if Surface Go can run this stuff then I’m gone and just look at my iPad like a standalone instrument again, bail on the platform for composition and scratch pad. Saddest thing is that Apple would have only themselves to blame. They had the entire mobile music market in their pocket but just kept testing and testing them :/

    Still a Big ‘if’ tho.... keen to see some benchmarks etc for surface go. And apps like Drambo might turn out to be a big iOS magnet.

    I have been eyeing the Surface scene for a while now and tried my hand at one for a little bit. It just seemed that programs not designed specifically for touch screen from the ground up were very cumbersome to use.

    Yeh my experience too. But things like Spacecraft and Quanta are headed there now... might soon be a different story..

    Hmmm, right and Aparillo from Sugar Bytes is likely very touch friendly. I may just have to give Bitwig a try again. It seemed there was an initial setup/customization/ramp up required that kept me from getting too excited on the one day I had with it. It seemed like learning the dektop first then migrating over could be a good path. The BM3 experience reminded me of just how nice it is to find a ‘home’ to focus on instead of the ‘dragon chasing’ that iOS was for me for so long. Maybe Bitwig could be my next BM3... or they just release 3.1 and all is well heh. ;)

    Yeah ideally lots of options for everyone to choose what works best for portable for them between iOS and Surface. Good times for customers.

    Apple have rested on their laurels for what seems like an eternity imho....potential tortoise and the hare turning point ahead... I dig a lot of iOS apps tho, gonna have an iPad for the forseeable, but seems like Apple’s greed and paranoia (shitty memory and ram + itunes for EVERYTHING...) may well turn out to be the Achilles heel that everyone kind of always knew it was but previously had no real other options...

    Yup-yup, tru points all. I also suspect there is a legion of existing developers that would rather just make ‘mobile UI’ versions of programs and plugins etc rather than embrace porting to a whole new seemingly oddball platform born in (and in many ways still bound to) the dark ages of smartphones.

    I can imagine a huge windows back catalog, mobile-reissue tsunami rolling in soon.

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  • @Dawdles said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Dawdles said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Dawdles said:
    Spacecraft, Quanta, Bitwig, VCVrack, reaper, cakewalk, ableton....if Surface Go can run this stuff then I’m gone and just look at my iPad like a standalone instrument again, bail on the platform for composition and scratch pad. Saddest thing is that Apple would have only themselves to blame. They had the entire mobile music market in their pocket but just kept testing and testing them :/

    Still a Big ‘if’ tho.... keen to see some benchmarks etc for surface go. And apps like Drambo might turn out to be a big iOS magnet.

    I have been eyeing the Surface scene for a while now and tried my hand at one for a little bit. It just seemed that programs not designed specifically for touch screen from the ground up were very cumbersome to use.

    Yeh my experience too. But things like Spacecraft and Quanta are headed there now... might soon be a different story..

    Hmmm, right and Aparillo from Sugar Bytes is likely very touch friendly. I may just have to give Bitwig a try again. It seemed there was an initial setup/customization/ramp up required that kept me from getting too excited on the one day I had with it. It seemed like learning the dektop first then migrating over could be a good path. The BM3 experience reminded me of just how nice it is to find a ‘home’ to focus on instead of the ‘dragon chasing’ that iOS was for me for so long. Maybe Bitwig could be my next BM3... or they just release 3.1 and all is well heh. ;)

    Yeah ideally lots of options for everyone to choose what works best for portable for them between iOS and Surface. Good times for customers.

    Apple have rested on their laurels for what seems like an eternity imho....potential tortoise and the hare turning point ahead... I dig a lot of iOS apps tho, gonna have an iPad for the forseeable, but seems like Apple’s greed and paranoia (shitty memory and ram + itunes for EVERYTHING...) may well turn out to be the Achilles heel that everyone kind of always knew it was but previously had no real other options...

    Yup-yup, tru points all. I also suspect there is a legion of existing developers that would rather just make ‘mobile UI’ versions of programs and plugins etc rather than embrace porting to a whole new seemingly oddball platform born in (and in many ways still bound to) the dark ages of smartphones.

    I can imagine a huge windows back catalog, mobile-reissue tsunami rolling in soon.

    Yup not to mention how many pro studios/composers etc work in windows or Cross platform like Ableton etc. How many pro studios/composers etc work on iOS? Making some windows apps touch friendly makes a lot more sense than ios ports, like you say, from a dev and practical viewpoint. Instant integration between portable and studio, as opposed to bouncing stems and exporting/importing etc from iOS and back and forth between studio and portable... Just have a less powerful version of your studio for portable, but a lot of the same software and some other cool touch apps too.. interested to see what happens on surface in next year or two.

    I bought a zenbook two years ago for $800. Ram and cpu are fine for my desktop daw needs (mostly commiting early to audio and lots of chopping etc) so when I imagine a Surface in two years it would be like having an ipad with an open file system and when I have a table handy I can grab a wireless mouse / keyboard and use my favorite desktop daw from the last 20+ years.

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  • The surface has been going to kill the iPad ever since the 1st Surface was released. Somehow we’re still having the same discussion, for whatever reason the big companies don’t seem to want to produce versions of their software that are pleasant to use on small touchscreens.

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    I dont mind no headphone jack THAT much on ipad pro, as i would have it hooked to interface 95% of time anyways. I think face id is one of the stupidest technological "advance" in a long time and will not be using it(no matter how fast or accurate it ends up being), i dont mind not having it not locked all the time. Im going to keep into my air 2 that i would be using more for anything portable. I care about large screen and horsepower

  • The thing is that multi-touch, as great as it is, often is counter productive and overrated. Most might still prefer it as control surface only on other markets.
    Maybe it‘s simple as „there is no market“ on other platforms.
    However, check out this channel f.e. for windows touch music apps:

  • Looking very promising about the usb c port.

  • Or, they will call it Thunderbolt 3-port (compatible with USB-C if I remember right)...

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