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Rotten Apple removes headphone jack from 2018 iPad Pro

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  • @wim said:

    @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    No, but I have one of these:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0755BH2ZR

    and it works with my iPhone and lightning headphones, or a lightning to 3.5 jack adapter. (Keep losing the 3.5 jack adapters tho...)

    I rarely use it since I mostly use the iPad though.

    Thanks for pointing out. I didn’t know these kind of dongles exist. Sort of :)

  • @Arpseechord said:

    @FreeRadioRevolu said:

    @Artmuzz said:
    Although just rumour but it looks like the new 2018 iPad Pro will have the 3.5mm headphone jack removed like what happened on the iPhone. This is bad news for us iOS musicians who rely on wired headphones to produce and record music. Bluetooth headphones are no use because of latency and using a lighting adapter is no use if we want to charge the iPad as well as use headphones.

    https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/28/ipad-pro-2018-models-no-headphone-jack/

    The Irony of calling something ‘PRO” whilst providing only a lighning port and removing the headphone input... just call it the IPad Dongler... because you’ll be shelling out extra $$ to be able to hook it up to anything. My camera connection kit died recently so that’s another $$...
    Face Id... isn’t it amazing that they’ve convinced people this is actually a good idea and an asset? Amazing...
    It’s too bad because it’s the best portable music studio available. If only it was more ‘pro’ when it comes to connecting devices...

    Yup not too keen on facial recognition. Willingly hand over all the intricacies of my face and simultaneously convince myself I’m free in a evil surveillance state.....

    The face hash never leaves the device. Beyond that, what would someone do with it if it did? You have images of your face everywhere, and it’s available for the world to see anywhere you go

  • I just leave my lightening connector attached to my mobile music making headphones these days. It's small, don't even notice it's there.

  • @jayfehr said:

    @Arpseechord said:

    @FreeRadioRevolu said:

    @Artmuzz said:
    Although just rumour but it looks like the new 2018 iPad Pro will have the 3.5mm headphone jack removed like what happened on the iPhone. This is bad news for us iOS musicians who rely on wired headphones to produce and record music. Bluetooth headphones are no use because of latency and using a lighting adapter is no use if we want to charge the iPad as well as use headphones.

    https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/28/ipad-pro-2018-models-no-headphone-jack/

    The Irony of calling something ‘PRO” whilst providing only a lighning port and removing the headphone input... just call it the IPad Dongler... because you’ll be shelling out extra $$ to be able to hook it up to anything. My camera connection kit died recently so that’s another $$...
    Face Id... isn’t it amazing that they’ve convinced people this is actually a good idea and an asset? Amazing...
    It’s too bad because it’s the best portable music studio available. If only it was more ‘pro’ when it comes to connecting devices...

    Yup not too keen on facial recognition. Willingly hand over all the intricacies of my face and simultaneously convince myself I’m free in a evil surveillance state.....

    The face hash never leaves the device. Beyond that, what would someone do with it if it did? You have images of your face everywhere, and it’s available for the world to see anywhere you go

    As we can see from your icon photo.

  • @david_2017 said:

    @wim said:

    @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    No, but I have one of these:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0755BH2ZR

    and it works with my iPhone and lightning headphones, or a lightning to 3.5 jack adapter. (Keep losing the 3.5 jack adapters tho...)

    I rarely use it since I mostly use the iPad though.

    Thanks for pointing out. I didn’t know these kind of dongles exist. Sort of :)

    @david_2017 said:

    @wim said:

    @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    No, but I have one of these:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0755BH2ZR

    and it works with my iPhone and lightning headphones, or a lightning to 3.5 jack adapter. (Keep losing the 3.5 jack adapters tho...)

    I rarely use it since I mostly use the iPad though.

    Thanks for pointing out. I didn’t know these kind of dongles exist. Sort of :)

    @david_2017 said:

    @wim said:

    @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    No, but I have one of these:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0755BH2ZR

    and it works with my iPhone and lightning headphones, or a lightning to 3.5 jack adapter. (Keep losing the 3.5 jack adapters tho...)

    I rarely use it since I mostly use the iPad though.

    Thanks for pointing out. I didn’t know these kind of dongles exist. Sort of :)

    @david_2017 said:

    @wim said:

    @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    No, but I have one of these:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0755BH2ZR

    and it works with my iPhone and lightning headphones, or a lightning to 3.5 jack adapter. (Keep losing the 3.5 jack adapters tho...)

    I rarely use it since I mostly use the iPad though.

    Thanks for pointing out. I didn’t know these kind of dongles exist. Sort of :)

    @david_2017 said:

    @wim said:

    @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    No, but I have one of these:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0755BH2ZR

    and it works with my iPhone and lightning headphones, or a lightning to 3.5 jack adapter. (Keep losing the 3.5 jack adapters tho...)

    I rarely use it since I mostly use the iPad though.

    Thanks for pointing out. I didn’t know these kind of dongles exist. Sort of :)

    Problem with this kind of cheaper third party Apple stuff is that it can suddenly stop working after every iOS update because it's not certified.

  • Removal of the headphone jack is not a problem. There are lots of ways to work around the lack of a headphone jack. We iPhone users pioneered the way back with the iPhone 7. This rumor is nothing to get worked up about.

  • @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    So use a usb3 cck and a high quality audio interface. Problem solved and even BETTER sound quality.

  • @realdawei said:
    I stopped using the headphone port on my iPad once I realized how much better the lightning port audio sounded.

    This ^^

  • Still trying to figure out what Apple “has done”. :D

  • I’m hoping for a new Mac mini :neutral:

    But the new IPad Pro MUST HAVE a can opener, so I can use it on camping.
    There’s also a rumour of Nipple Regognition for Anonymous

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  • @Audiojunkie said:

    @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    So use a usb3 cck and a high quality audio interface. Problem solved and even BETTER sound quality.

    Yeah, mobile as hell :)
    This was the cool thing about the iPad. It’s mobile and I can easily hook up my speakers without carrying another Powersource and audio interface with me

  • Hahaha it looks like someone else has also made another thread on this forum about the headphone jack being removed from the new iPad Pro.

  • @Artmuzz said:
    Hahaha it looks like someone else has also made another thread on this forum about the headphone jack being removed from the new iPad Pro.

    Really?

  • @brambos said:

    @Artmuzz said:
    Hahaha it looks like someone else has also made another thread on this forum about the headphone jack being removed from the new iPad Pro.

    Really?

    Yep ;)

  • edited July 2018

    @Artmuzz said:

    @brambos said:

    @Artmuzz said:
    Hahaha it looks like someone else has also made another thread on this forum about the headphone jack being removed from the new iPad Pro.

    Really?

    Yep ;)

    You can’t have enough of these - so productive :wink:

  • edited July 2018

    As others have pointed out, this is only a rumor at this time of course, but I do see it as a likely scenario that the next iPad Pro coming later this year will not have a headphone jack, following in the footsteps of the direction that the newer iPhone models have taken. I wouldn't be surprised if it were to happen.

    The new iPad Pros will most likely be thinner, both the 10.5 and the 12.9, and they will also most likely both feature smaller bezels.

    I don't see this as a big issue in my opinion. When it gets released, people are free to decide if they like it or not, and if they're going to buy it or not. If not, then they are free and welcome to go buy something else. Choice is a good thing.

    I'll take an iPad Pro with or without any headphone jacks over any other tablets out there, even if the others included 5 headphone jacks built into them.

  • @david_2017 said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @david_2017 said:
    There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

    So use a usb3 cck and a high quality audio interface. Problem solved and even BETTER sound quality.

    Yeah, mobile as hell :)
    This was the cool thing about the iPad. It’s mobile and I can easily hook up my speakers without carrying another Powersource and audio interface with me

    How about this? :smile:

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/21211/is-anyone-interested-in-knowing-a-cheap-solution-for-the-iphone-7-and-iphone-8-no-jack-problem

    I also posted this last year:

    I went on a search to find a low latency setup for my iPhone 7 Plus. I wanted to use my existing equipment and just add an adapter of some sort. I found something that goes beyond my expectations--a USB hub with a built-in audio interface under $20!! I figured I would just use it when song writing with my midi keyboard. The built-in sound card is based on the CMedia HS-100B which isn't great, but isn't too bad either. I figured could use this and some headphones (or Apple ear buds) and my KMI K-board at the same time (and probably without using any more adapters or cables). I originally thought,”It's not ideal, but it is VERY cheap, and it is portable and it checks all the boxes.” I have done initial testing and have been very surprised and happy! Here's the chip's data specs: https://www.cmedia.com.tw/products/USB20_FULL_SPEED/HS100B

    Device info (short version)
    • USB 3.0 with 3 USB ports
    •16 bit 44.1khz/48khz
    •High pass filter 20khz
    •Low pass filter 20khz
    •Signal-to-noise 93db
    •iOS compatible
    •Class compliant
    •Works Passive powered but has USB (micro/mini) input for powering the hub with standard USB charge cable or power bank.
    •Has one mono audio input
    •Has stereo headphone out.
    •Everything is capable of running bus powered but can run active as well.
    •It's not much larger than an Apple Lightning to USB 3 CCK
    •It's under $20 US

    They results are fantastic!! I paid about $17 U.S. for this little USB hub/audio interface. It works great!!! I did not yet buy the new lightning to USB 3 interface, but I'm sure it would work fine with it. Instead, I'm using what I already have--a standard lighting to USB CCK adapter that most of us already have. I'm running my KMI K-board and my Audio Technica ATH-M50x headphones all passively. If needed, the hub has the ability to run powered with a micro USB in that can be powered by either an AC adapter or a standard power bank. This makes this setup completely mobile, with the ability to charge the device as well (with the new lightning to USB 3 adapter). All done on an iPhone 7 Plus. This should work for any of the iPhone 8 series as well as future devices without the 3.5mm jack. For under $20, this is about as good as it is ever going to get, I suspect. The sound seems to be pretty good from the audio interface too, which surprised me!!

    Here's the product: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPMHOY0

  • @Audiojunkie
    Wow, this is a good find. Thanks for sharing. Interesting. Never thought about a usb Sound Card would work this way. Cool!

  • @Audiojunkie said:

    https://www.cmedia.com.tw/products/USB20_FULL_SPEED/HS100B

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPMHOY0

    Does it show up as an audio destination in AUM/apeMatrix/etc? If so, as long as the power load isn’t more than the USB3 CCK can handle, this is really great! I’m going to get one. In the summertime I often “work” outside on the patio table.

    This looks ideal, and especially good if the headphone jack goes away. I love this forum! Someone has a solution for just about every situation. THANKS!

  • I propose they ought to put 6.5mm stereo standard jacks on.

  • @u0421793 said:
    I propose they ought to put 6.5mm stereo standard jacks on.

    You troublemaker... 😂

  • @motmeister said:

    @u0421793 said:
    I propose they ought to put 6.5mm stereo standard jacks on.

    You troublemaker... 😂

    @motmeister said:

    @u0421793 said:
    I propose they ought to put 6.5mm stereo standard jacks on.

    You troublemaker... 😂

    I'd prefer the standard 6.3mm jack ;)
    And well, add a bigger battery to it so we don't have to charge it every day...

  • I hope they add a touch bar

  • @Max23 said:

    @Arpseechord said:
    Is there a way to turn off facial recognition?

    just enter the code ...
    no need to for privacy reasons,
    as it all happens on the device

    @jayfehr said:

    @Arpseechord said:

    @FreeRadioRevolu said:

    @Artmuzz said:
    Although just rumour but it looks like the new 2018 iPad Pro will have the 3.5mm headphone jack removed like what happened on the iPhone. This is bad news for us iOS musicians who rely on wired headphones to produce and record music. Bluetooth headphones are no use because of latency and using a lighting adapter is no use if we want to charge the iPad as well as use headphones.

    https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/28/ipad-pro-2018-models-no-headphone-jack/

    The Irony of calling something ‘PRO” whilst providing only a lighning port and removing the headphone input... just call it the IPad Dongler... because you’ll be shelling out extra $$ to be able to hook it up to anything. My camera connection kit died recently so that’s another $$...
    Face Id... isn’t it amazing that they’ve convinced people this is actually a good idea and an asset? Amazing...
    It’s too bad because it’s the best portable music studio available. If only it was more ‘pro’ when it comes to connecting devices...

    Yup not too keen on facial recognition. Willingly hand over all the intricacies of my face and simultaneously convince myself I’m free in a evil surveillance state.....

    The face hash never leaves the device. Beyond that, what would someone do with it if it did? You have images of your face everywhere, and it’s available for the world to see anywhere you go

    empty your Apple Pay account for example ...
    you dont want your biometric data to be stolen, as its hard to get a new face, fingerprint, blah blah
    you can create all kinds of nightmare scenarios with that
    hence the Secure Enclave on the a chips

    the IT loosers of the German administration added a code you can't change to the new ID cards
    you can use it for taxes and car registration and what not
    you can opt out
    but you can't change the code
    i opted out and still got that fucking code
    there is no way in hell im gonna use that
    I burned it the minute I left that office
    fail

    schland

    you can also register your fingerprints for that
    I opted out, meaning I simply didn't give them my fingerprints
    biometrics done wrong are a nightmare scenario ;)

    I guess because these devices screens are scrying mirrors the “ magic” happens internally :)
    Approach with caution :D

  • I've been on this forum for 5 years somehow, and the fact that news like this is met with either indifference or blind defense of Apple is perplexing to me. Considering that the common bond of posters on the forum is that we all use Apple products, I've actually not experienced this place to a be a fortress of Apple fanboys - people here are generally ready and able to criticize Apple for misguided decisions on the operating system, support for developers, or herding their consumer base into the purchase of unnecessary accessories.

    Which is why it's kind of strange that the removal of such an important component to iOS music is met with with a resounding "meh", or "so what?". I just bought the UNO Synth from IK Multimedia. The way you get audio out on that device is a single 3.5mm output jack. Some variant of this, or the 1/4" instrument cable jack, is an industry standard for basically every popular synth, drum machine, guitar modeling unit, etc. on the planet. If it were announced that the UNO Synth was shipping without a 3.5mm jack, or audio output of any kind, people would freak the @#*% out. Heck, if it were announced that you could only get audio out if you bought or remembered to find a special dongle, people would still freak.

    So why is the same news met with indifference when it pertains to the iPad, a device costing usually $500 to $1,000, and for which many of us have invested $100's ($1,000's?) on software and accessories that only have value in this ecosystem? The 3rd party products that do both audio and charging are unreliable, and Apple can and has bricked such products with simple iOS updates.

    I know that you can still get audio off the device (and charge) with a CCK3 and a good interface. I do this already with my 2015 Pro 12.9", and the headphone jack isn't even involved. But that's not a mobile setup. It's not an option for making music on a train, or anywhere other than the computer desk where all that equipment is physically located. And it requires an incremental level of additional "nerdery" to get it to work, which will turn off more users from this platform, and make the iPad less like a tablet and more like a computer.

    I participated on this same thread when it was "just a rumor" that the new iPhones after 6s would no longer have a headphone jack, and that quickly became reality after many people dismissed it. It's part of the reason I have yet to upgrade my 6s after 2.5 years, even though Apple is pretty clearly trying to kill its battery life and practicality with OS updates. And one of the things a dongle requirement does is put additional stress on the Lightning jack, which is proving to be the failure point on my aging device. Plus the dongles themselves, from what I hear, are prone to breakage, and that's assuming you have one with you when you need it. I don't see how this news is any way good for iOS music. It's at best neutral, and potentially fairly annoying/bad.

  • edited July 2018

    @StormJH1 said:
    I've been on this forum for 5 years somehow, and the fact that news like this is met with either indifference or blind defense of Apple is perplexing to me. Considering that the common bond of posters on the forum is that we all use Apple products, I've actually not experienced this place to a be a fortress of Apple fanboys - people here are generally ready and able to criticize Apple for misguided decisions on the operating system, support for developers, or herding their consumer base into the purchase of unnecessary accessories.

    Which is why it's kind of strange that the removal of such an important component to iOS music is met with with a resounding "meh", or "so what?". I just bought the UNO Synth from IK Multimedia. The way you get audio out on that device is a single 3.5mm output jack. Some variant of this, or the 1/4" instrument cable jack, is an industry standard for basically every popular synth, drum machine, guitar modeling unit, etc. on the planet. If it were announced that the UNO Synth was shipping without a 3.5mm jack, or audio output of any kind, people would freak the @#*% out. Heck, if it were announced that you could only get audio out if you bought or remembered to find a special dongle, people would still freak.

    So why is the same news met with indifference when it pertains to the iPad, a device costing usually $500 to $1,000, and for which many of us have invested $100's ($1,000's?) on software and accessories that only have value in this ecosystem? The 3rd party products that do both audio and charging are unreliable, and Apple can and has bricked such products with simple iOS updates.

    I know that you can still get audio off the device (and charge) with a CCK3 and a good interface. I do this already with my 2015 Pro 12.9", and the headphone jack isn't even involved. But that's not a mobile setup. It's not an option for making music on a train, or anywhere other than the computer desk where all that equipment is physically located. And it requires an incremental level of additional "nerdery" to get it to work, which will turn off more users from this platform, and make the iPad less like a tablet and more like a computer.

    I participated on this same thread when it was "just a rumor" that the new iPhones after 6s would no longer have a headphone jack, and that quickly became reality after many people dismissed it. It's part of the reason I have yet to upgrade my 6s after 2.5 years, even though Apple is pretty clearly trying to kill its battery life and practicality with OS updates. And one of the things a dongle requirement does is put additional stress on the Lightning jack, which is proving to be the failure point on my aging device. Plus the dongles themselves, from what I hear, are prone to breakage, and that's assuming you have one with you when you need it. I don't see how this news is any way good for iOS music. It's at best neutral, and potentially fairly annoying/bad.

    I’ve been using my iPad for music for 5 or 6 years too. Never used the headphone jack on the device. I’m not defending Apple, just don’t give two shits if it’s there or not.

    That’s not to say I’ve never used wired headphones, but both my Scarlett i2i, and iRig HD2 have headphone jacks in them and the audio is automatically routed through them when connected. I couldn't use the built in jack even if I wanted too.

    So yeah, Apple removing the headphone jack doesn’t bother me at all.

  • edited July 2018

    For years I used Windows for music and the headphone jack wasn’t really an option due to latency issues. Quality WDM and ASIO drivers with Quality audio interfaces were mandatory

    Being able to use the headphone jack on a Mac was a pleasant surprise, but even there I still tended to use Audio interfaces. So using an audio interface for an iPad now just feels normal.

    If I’m on the train or at cafe I use lightning Earbuds which are quite good, along with touch instruments on the iPad which I find immediate and delightful.

    So not really feeling any stress about this rumor

  • It does bother me a lot. Taking away the headphone jack takes away a huge part of the portability convenience.

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