Rotten Apple removes headphone jack from 2018 iPad Pro

mannix

@Norbert said:

@BiancaNeve said:
Never ceases to amaze me how quick people on here are to want to denigrate Apple based on rumours.

If Apple are so rotten, don’t buy the products. If enough people agree with you they go out of business.

Let's face it, if rumors weren't a thing, half of the internet content wouldn't exist today

+1

jayfehr

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Audiojunkie said:
You see, guys, we iPhone users have already been down this road, gone through all the stages of grief, and learned that in the end, life can and indeed does go on—without our 3.5mm headphone jack. The world will not end if the iPad loses its headphone jack, so there’s no reason to even worry about these rumors. 🙂

There are many other things much more important to worry about - they're talking up a food supply crisis in the UK for one, along with a lack of medicines, soldiers on the street to combat public disorder and all that. Then there's Trump and Putin sabre rattling, and my knees aren't getting any better with age.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't vocalise concerns about the little stuff though. Losing the headphone jack makes the iPad less musician friendly - I use it all the time as an audio out. Buying a 'dongle' and using the lightning port isn't an option, as that'll already be used either by the charger (gadget, I'm looking at you), or a MIDI keyboard. Or my iRig Pro as an audio input.

'But Monzo you can buy a hub with ports for dongles and lots of other crap..'

Yes, but I don't have to do that now, so making me do so will make things WORSE than they are now. And worse for other musicians too. Which means less musicians using the platform. Which means less musicians buying music apps. Which means less money for devs. Which means less new/innovative apps. Which means even fewer musicians using the platform...

If enough people speak up about things that other people are doing, that are making things worse, then they might not happen. Not going to help my dodgy knees, but it could stop a whole bunch of trouble happening in the future.

If we don't complain about it on here, in our little iOS musicians corner, then who will? You never know who might be reading this.

Whining here does nothing.

Doing nothing does nothing.

And you’re ten times more likely to get a response posting on a highly ranked public forum, out of the reach of corporate PR machines, than you are sending a message into the company’s feedback bin.

Can you show a single example of Apple reaching out on a public forum at any time during their companies existence? Why would they start here, with this issue?

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@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Audiojunkie said:
You see, guys, we iPhone users have already been down this road, gone through all the stages of grief, and learned that in the end, life can and indeed does go on—without our 3.5mm headphone jack. The world will not end if the iPad loses its headphone jack, so there’s no reason to even worry about these rumors. 🙂

There are many other things much more important to worry about - they're talking up a food supply crisis in the UK for one, along with a lack of medicines, soldiers on the street to combat public disorder and all that. Then there's Trump and Putin sabre rattling, and my knees aren't getting any better with age.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't vocalise concerns about the little stuff though. Losing the headphone jack makes the iPad less musician friendly - I use it all the time as an audio out. Buying a 'dongle' and using the lightning port isn't an option, as that'll already be used either by the charger (gadget, I'm looking at you), or a MIDI keyboard. Or my iRig Pro as an audio input.

'But Monzo you can buy a hub with ports for dongles and lots of other crap..'

Yes, but I don't have to do that now, so making me do so will make things WORSE than they are now. And worse for other musicians too. Which means less musicians using the platform. Which means less musicians buying music apps. Which means less money for devs. Which means less new/innovative apps. Which means even fewer musicians using the platform...

If enough people speak up about things that other people are doing, that are making things worse, then they might not happen. Not going to help my dodgy knees, but it could stop a whole bunch of trouble happening in the future.

If we don't complain about it on here, in our little iOS musicians corner, then who will? You never know who might be reading this.

Whining here does nothing.

Doing nothing does nothing.

And you’re ten times more likely to get a response posting on a highly ranked public forum, out of the reach of corporate PR machines, than you are sending a message into the company’s feedback bin.

Can you show a single example of Apple reaching out on a public forum at any time during their companies existence? Why would they start here, with this issue?

I was going to ask you why my post seems to bother you so much - but a quick peek through some old posts shows me you have previous form.

Consider yourself ignored, go and troll someone else.

jayfehr

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Audiojunkie said:
You see, guys, we iPhone users have already been down this road, gone through all the stages of grief, and learned that in the end, life can and indeed does go on—without our 3.5mm headphone jack. The world will not end if the iPad loses its headphone jack, so there’s no reason to even worry about these rumors. 🙂

There are many other things much more important to worry about - they're talking up a food supply crisis in the UK for one, along with a lack of medicines, soldiers on the street to combat public disorder and all that. Then there's Trump and Putin sabre rattling, and my knees aren't getting any better with age.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't vocalise concerns about the little stuff though. Losing the headphone jack makes the iPad less musician friendly - I use it all the time as an audio out. Buying a 'dongle' and using the lightning port isn't an option, as that'll already be used either by the charger (gadget, I'm looking at you), or a MIDI keyboard. Or my iRig Pro as an audio input.

'But Monzo you can buy a hub with ports for dongles and lots of other crap..'

Yes, but I don't have to do that now, so making me do so will make things WORSE than they are now. And worse for other musicians too. Which means less musicians using the platform. Which means less musicians buying music apps. Which means less money for devs. Which means less new/innovative apps. Which means even fewer musicians using the platform...

If enough people speak up about things that other people are doing, that are making things worse, then they might not happen. Not going to help my dodgy knees, but it could stop a whole bunch of trouble happening in the future.

If we don't complain about it on here, in our little iOS musicians corner, then who will? You never know who might be reading this.

Whining here does nothing.

Doing nothing does nothing.

And you’re ten times more likely to get a response posting on a highly ranked public forum, out of the reach of corporate PR machines, than you are sending a message into the company’s feedback bin.

Can you show a single example of Apple reaching out on a public forum at any time during their companies existence? Why would they start here, with this issue?

I was going to ask you why my post seems to bother you so much - but a quick peek through some old posts shows me you have previous form.

Consider yourself ignored, go and troll someone else.

Previous form? I'm not sure what that means. But I'm not trolling. Bitching on the internet may feel cathartic, but it's useless. Apple won't change because you complained in this thread.

Ultimately I don't think the jack is going anywhere. This is a poor source that has yet to be corroborated. Beyond that, it seems that the community is split on the importance of the port. A lot of people use audio interfaces. Those people, which includes me, don't need the port. Not to mention that Apple isn't the only OEM removing the port, it's a general trend that sooner or later will be standard with only a few niche devices having it.

Tarekith

I thought the main reason Apple removed the headphone jack from the iPhone was so they could make it waterproof? If so, seems like that wouldn't apply at all to the iPad.

brambos

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Audiojunkie said:
You see, guys, we iPhone users have already been down this road, gone through all the stages of grief, and learned that in the end, life can and indeed does go on—without our 3.5mm headphone jack. The world will not end if the iPad loses its headphone jack, so there’s no reason to even worry about these rumors. 🙂

There are many other things much more important to worry about - they're talking up a food supply crisis in the UK for one, along with a lack of medicines, soldiers on the street to combat public disorder and all that. Then there's Trump and Putin sabre rattling, and my knees aren't getting any better with age.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't vocalise concerns about the little stuff though. Losing the headphone jack makes the iPad less musician friendly - I use it all the time as an audio out. Buying a 'dongle' and using the lightning port isn't an option, as that'll already be used either by the charger (gadget, I'm looking at you), or a MIDI keyboard. Or my iRig Pro as an audio input.

'But Monzo you can buy a hub with ports for dongles and lots of other crap..'

Yes, but I don't have to do that now, so making me do so will make things WORSE than they are now. And worse for other musicians too. Which means less musicians using the platform. Which means less musicians buying music apps. Which means less money for devs. Which means less new/innovative apps. Which means even fewer musicians using the platform...

If enough people speak up about things that other people are doing, that are making things worse, then they might not happen. Not going to help my dodgy knees, but it could stop a whole bunch of trouble happening in the future.

If we don't complain about it on here, in our little iOS musicians corner, then who will? You never know who might be reading this.

Whining here does nothing.

Doing nothing does nothing.

And you’re ten times more likely to get a response posting on a highly ranked public forum, out of the reach of corporate PR machines, than you are sending a message into the company’s feedback bin.

Can you show a single example of Apple reaching out on a public forum at any time during their companies existence? Why would they start here, with this issue?

Heh. They don’t even respond on their own forums Try asking a valid question (not complaint) on their developer forums. They answer one or two questions per month. It’s quite a farce.

Calverhall

@CrazySynthMan said:

@Calverhall said:

Since Steve Jobs left the scene, Apple have been so sloppy. And another thing, why are there cultish fan types on these types of threads who idiotically say stuff like ‘if you dont like what apple are doing, then just don't buy it’: as if there was other options for what we do here on the Audiobus forum. Just so dumb and lacking in critical thinking.

It's called being pragmatic. There's nothing that anybody here will be able to do about it. Apple is going to do what they want to do. Anybody who's followed them for a long time knows that.

As for Apple being sloppy, you mentioned the white dongles.

It was no different when Steve Jobs was around. I remember buying a Black MacBook and I liked that machine a lot, but I do remember it coming with a white power supply and a white cable to connect it to the Black MacBook. So, the colors didn't always match up before either.

Valid point but Id argue thats different as an iphone is more of a portable fashion accessory as well as a computer, Sure a black Macbook is an aesthetic statement but you dont bring it on dates or to the club.

[Deleted User]

@brambos said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Audiojunkie said:
You see, guys, we iPhone users have already been down this road, gone through all the stages of grief, and learned that in the end, life can and indeed does go on—without our 3.5mm headphone jack. The world will not end if the iPad loses its headphone jack, so there’s no reason to even worry about these rumors. 🙂

There are many other things much more important to worry about - they're talking up a food supply crisis in the UK for one, along with a lack of medicines, soldiers on the street to combat public disorder and all that. Then there's Trump and Putin sabre rattling, and my knees aren't getting any better with age.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't vocalise concerns about the little stuff though. Losing the headphone jack makes the iPad less musician friendly - I use it all the time as an audio out. Buying a 'dongle' and using the lightning port isn't an option, as that'll already be used either by the charger (gadget, I'm looking at you), or a MIDI keyboard. Or my iRig Pro as an audio input.

'But Monzo you can buy a hub with ports for dongles and lots of other crap..'

Yes, but I don't have to do that now, so making me do so will make things WORSE than they are now. And worse for other musicians too. Which means less musicians using the platform. Which means less musicians buying music apps. Which means less money for devs. Which means less new/innovative apps. Which means even fewer musicians using the platform...

If enough people speak up about things that other people are doing, that are making things worse, then they might not happen. Not going to help my dodgy knees, but it could stop a whole bunch of trouble happening in the future.

If we don't complain about it on here, in our little iOS musicians corner, then who will? You never know who might be reading this.

Whining here does nothing.

Doing nothing does nothing.

And you’re ten times more likely to get a response posting on a highly ranked public forum, out of the reach of corporate PR machines, than you are sending a message into the company’s feedback bin.

Can you show a single example of Apple reaching out on a public forum at any time during their companies existence? Why would they start here, with this issue?

Heh. They don’t even respond on their own forums Try asking a valid question (not complaint) on their developer forums. They answer one or two questions per month. It’s quite a farce.

Well, my experience working for big corporations is that they're very, very interested in what their customers are saying about them, including high-ranking market-specific forums like this one. Some have whole departments whose job it is to monitor this stuff. One I worked for spent millions every year on it.

Call it complaining, or 'whining', whatever you like - but at the end of the day they won't exist without customers buying their products. You'd be surprised what changes and turnarounds they'll make if they think it'll have an affect on their profit margins, or damage their expensively maintained brand.

Probably the headphone socket won't be a big deal for most users, so they won't care about a handful of whining musicians, but don't think for one second they're not aware of it.

anickt

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Audiojunkie said:
You see, guys, we iPhone users have already been down this road, gone through all the stages of grief, and learned that in the end, life can and indeed does go on—without our 3.5mm headphone jack. The world will not end if the iPad loses its headphone jack, so there’s no reason to even worry about these rumors. 🙂

There are many other things much more important to worry about - they're talking up a food supply crisis in the UK for one, along with a lack of medicines, soldiers on the street to combat public disorder and all that. Then there's Trump and Putin sabre rattling, and my knees aren't getting any better with age.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't vocalise concerns about the little stuff though. Losing the headphone jack makes the iPad less musician friendly - I use it all the time as an audio out. Buying a 'dongle' and using the lightning port isn't an option, as that'll already be used either by the charger (gadget, I'm looking at you), or a MIDI keyboard. Or my iRig Pro as an audio input.

'But Monzo you can buy a hub with ports for dongles and lots of other crap..'

Yes, but I don't have to do that now, so making me do so will make things WORSE than they are now. And worse for other musicians too. Which means less musicians using the platform. Which means less musicians buying music apps. Which means less money for devs. Which means less new/innovative apps. Which means even fewer musicians using the platform...

If enough people speak up about things that other people are doing, that are making things worse, then they might not happen. Not going to help my dodgy knees, but it could stop a whole bunch of trouble happening in the future.

If we don't complain about it on here, in our little iOS musicians corner, then who will? You never know who might be reading this.

Whining here does nothing.

Doing nothing does nothing.

And you’re ten times more likely to get a response posting on a highly ranked public forum, out of the reach of corporate PR machines, than you are sending a message into the company’s feedback bin.

I have sent feedback to Apple regarding FCPX and they have gotten back to me a half dozen times or more. If enough people take the time to give direct feedback there’s a better chance of results. Responses on this forum to a mere rumor have generated a bunch of Apple bashing (per usual) and some reasonable suggestions which are often lost in the din. No real progress. At least I have no knee issues.

[Deleted User]

@anickt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Audiojunkie said:
You see, guys, we iPhone users have already been down this road, gone through all the stages of grief, and learned that in the end, life can and indeed does go on—without our 3.5mm headphone jack. The world will not end if the iPad loses its headphone jack, so there’s no reason to even worry about these rumors. 🙂

There are many other things much more important to worry about - they're talking up a food supply crisis in the UK for one, along with a lack of medicines, soldiers on the street to combat public disorder and all that. Then there's Trump and Putin sabre rattling, and my knees aren't getting any better with age.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't vocalise concerns about the little stuff though. Losing the headphone jack makes the iPad less musician friendly - I use it all the time as an audio out. Buying a 'dongle' and using the lightning port isn't an option, as that'll already be used either by the charger (gadget, I'm looking at you), or a MIDI keyboard. Or my iRig Pro as an audio input.

'But Monzo you can buy a hub with ports for dongles and lots of other crap..'

Yes, but I don't have to do that now, so making me do so will make things WORSE than they are now. And worse for other musicians too. Which means less musicians using the platform. Which means less musicians buying music apps. Which means less money for devs. Which means less new/innovative apps. Which means even fewer musicians using the platform...

If enough people speak up about things that other people are doing, that are making things worse, then they might not happen. Not going to help my dodgy knees, but it could stop a whole bunch of trouble happening in the future.

If we don't complain about it on here, in our little iOS musicians corner, then who will? You never know who might be reading this.

Whining here does nothing.

Doing nothing does nothing.

And you’re ten times more likely to get a response posting on a highly ranked public forum, out of the reach of corporate PR machines, than you are sending a message into the company’s feedback bin.

I have sent feedback to Apple regarding FCPX and they have gotten back to me a half dozen times or more. If enough people take the time to give direct feedback there’s a better chance of results. Responses on this forum to a mere rumor have generated a bunch of Apple bashing (per usual) and some reasonable suggestions which are often lost in the din. No real progress. At least I have no knee issues.

Good call on the knees, I'm not Apple bashing though.

anickt

@MonzoPro said:

@anickt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@jayfehr said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Audiojunkie said:
You see, guys, we iPhone users have already been down this road, gone through all the stages of grief, and learned that in the end, life can and indeed does go on—without our 3.5mm headphone jack. The world will not end if the iPad loses its headphone jack, so there’s no reason to even worry about these rumors. 🙂

There are many other things much more important to worry about - they're talking up a food supply crisis in the UK for one, along with a lack of medicines, soldiers on the street to combat public disorder and all that. Then there's Trump and Putin sabre rattling, and my knees aren't getting any better with age.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't vocalise concerns about the little stuff though. Losing the headphone jack makes the iPad less musician friendly - I use it all the time as an audio out. Buying a 'dongle' and using the lightning port isn't an option, as that'll already be used either by the charger (gadget, I'm looking at you), or a MIDI keyboard. Or my iRig Pro as an audio input.

'But Monzo you can buy a hub with ports for dongles and lots of other crap..'

Yes, but I don't have to do that now, so making me do so will make things WORSE than they are now. And worse for other musicians too. Which means less musicians using the platform. Which means less musicians buying music apps. Which means less money for devs. Which means less new/innovative apps. Which means even fewer musicians using the platform...

If enough people speak up about things that other people are doing, that are making things worse, then they might not happen. Not going to help my dodgy knees, but it could stop a whole bunch of trouble happening in the future.

If we don't complain about it on here, in our little iOS musicians corner, then who will? You never know who might be reading this.

Whining here does nothing.

Doing nothing does nothing.

And you’re ten times more likely to get a response posting on a highly ranked public forum, out of the reach of corporate PR machines, than you are sending a message into the company’s feedback bin.

I have sent feedback to Apple regarding FCPX and they have gotten back to me a half dozen times or more. If enough people take the time to give direct feedback there’s a better chance of results. Responses on this forum to a mere rumor have generated a bunch of Apple bashing (per usual) and some reasonable suggestions which are often lost in the din. No real progress. At least I have no knee issues.

Good call on the knees, I'm not Apple bashing though.

not referring to you re: Apple. Just a general observation.

david_2017

@Tarekith said:
I thought the main reason Apple removed the headphone jack from the iPhone was so they could make it waterproof? If so, seems like that wouldn't apply at all to the iPad.

This dude has a point too: consistency
shoot, time URLs don't work. Skip to 2:40 circa

Audiojunkie

@bennorland said:

@Audiojunkie said:
Here's the product: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPMHOY0

Very interesting

Can I ask (as the original FB discussion confused me) what connector does the mic input use: TS or TRS?

And if it’s TRS for a mono mic signal what is the extra wire carrying?

I'm not sure about the mono mic signal, but for the audio it uses TRS. Here is a post I made on the subject:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/397073/#Comment_397073

u0421793

@Calverhall said:

@CrazySynthMan said:

@Calverhall said:

Since Steve Jobs left the scene, Apple have been so sloppy. And another thing, why are there cultish fan types on these types of threads who idiotically say stuff like ‘if you dont like what apple are doing, then just don't buy it’: as if there was other options for what we do here on the Audiobus forum. Just so dumb and lacking in critical thinking.

It's called being pragmatic. There's nothing that anybody here will be able to do about it. Apple is going to do what they want to do. Anybody who's followed them for a long time knows that.

As for Apple being sloppy, you mentioned the white dongles.

It was no different when Steve Jobs was around. I remember buying a Black MacBook and I liked that machine a lot, but I do remember it coming with a white power supply and a white cable to connect it to the Black MacBook. So, the colors didn't always match up before either.

Valid point but Id argue thats different as an iphone is more of a portable fashion accessory as well as a computer, Sure a black Macbook is an aesthetic statement but you dont bring it on dates or to the club.

Just over a decade ago I took this picture on an Olympus µ[mju:]-II loaded with Ilford Delta 400 film:
https://flic.kr/p/4VcnMB

I can let the secret out now. The white MacBook is actually mine, not his. The black chap had a black MacBook out on his lap, I was standing up, and the train came to a stop in the tunnel. I asked the white lad if he wouldn’t mind holding something while I took his photo, he agreed, so I got my white MacBook out and opened it up on his lap, then wedged myself between the two people opposite them and got as high up as I could in the train and took the shots. They both loved the idea.

Audiojunkie

@mannix said:

@Audiojunkie said:

@david_2017 said:

@Audiojunkie said:

@david_2017 said:
There is not one effing Dongel that provides a 3,5 jack AND a normal lighting (meaning more than only charging) connection.

So use a usb3 cck and a high quality audio interface. Problem solved and even BETTER sound quality.

Yeah, mobile as hell
This was the cool thing about the iPad. It’s mobile and I can easily hook up my speakers without carrying another Powersource and audio interface with me

How about this?

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/21211/is-anyone-interested-in-knowing-a-cheap-solution-for-the-iphone-7-and-iphone-8-no-jack-problem

I also posted this last year:

I went on a search to find a low latency setup for my iPhone 7 Plus. I wanted to use my existing equipment and just add an adapter of some sort. I found something that goes beyond my expectations--a USB hub with a built-in audio interface under $20!! I figured I would just use it when song writing with my midi keyboard. The built-in sound card is based on the CMedia HS-100B which isn't great, but isn't too bad either. I figured could use this and some headphones (or Apple ear buds) and my KMI K-board at the same time (and probably without using any more adapters or cables). I originally thought,”It's not ideal, but it is VERY cheap, and it is portable and it checks all the boxes.” I have done initial testing and have been very surprised and happy! Here's the chip's data specs: https://www.cmedia.com.tw/products/USB20_FULL_SPEED/HS100B

Device info (short version)
• USB 3.0 with 3 USB ports
•16 bit 44.1khz/48khz
•High pass filter 20khz
•Low pass filter 20khz
•Signal-to-noise 93db
•iOS compatible
•Class compliant
•Works Passive powered but has USB (micro/mini) input for powering the hub with standard USB charge cable or power bank.
•Has one mono audio input
•Has stereo headphone out.
•Everything is capable of running bus powered but can run active as well.
•It's not much larger than an Apple Lightning to USB 3 CCK
•It's under $20 US

They results are fantastic!! I paid about $17 U.S. for this little USB hub/audio interface. It works great!!! I did not yet buy the new lightning to USB 3 interface, but I'm sure it would work fine with it. Instead, I'm using what I already have--a standard lighting to USB CCK adapter that most of us already have. I'm running my KMI K-board and my Audio Technica ATH-M50x headphones all passively. If needed, the hub has the ability to run powered with a micro USB in that can be powered by either an AC adapter or a standard power bank. This makes this setup completely mobile, with the ability to charge the device as well (with the new lightning to USB 3 adapter). All done on an iPhone 7 Plus. This should work for any of the iPhone 8 series as well as future devices without the 3.5mm jack. For under $20, this is about as good as it is ever going to get, I suspect. The sound seems to be pretty good from the audio interface too, which surprised me!!

Here's the product: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPMHOY0

Question is this still working with latest iOS. My experience is that a lot of this kind extrenal things just stops working after a there's aa iOS update. Often these are not signed and officially licensed.

Would be very interested, but please let me know if you have had any problems with it and is still working under iOS 11.4.1?

I have no problems currently (crossing fingers). Since I discovered this device and posted about it, about 10 other people have purchased one (between here and the iOS Musician's forum). So far as I know, everyone who has purchased has been very happy with the device.

motmeister

@Audiojunkie said:

Here's the product: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPMHOY0

just ordered this from Amazon and will be here Weds. Even if the headphone jack DOESN’T go away, there have been times when this would have come in handy.

I’ll let you know what I think of it!

Audiojunkie

@motmeister said:

@Audiojunkie said:

Here's the product: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPMHOY0

just ordered this from Amazon and will be here Weds. Even if the headphone jack DOESN’T go away, there have been times when this would have come in handy.

I’ll let you know what I think of it!

Yes, please do! And let everyone here know your experiences too. I get satisfaction from helping others.

wim

Oh man, if that only had an Ethernet port!

lovadamusic

Other than the title of this thread claiming something happened that's really only a rumor, and the editorial play on words to describe Apple, what's the problem with people voicing their displeasure over the possibility that Apple might remove something they use?

I'd prefer Apple keep the headphone jack but, to be honest --- shhhh...hope Apple isn't listening --- its loss wouldn't stop me from buying an iPad. With iOS there's always been a bit of a disconnect between what Apple makes and what many musicians want, so if the rumor actually becomes reality, just deal with it. I didn't want the removal of normal USB ports on the MacBook either, but I've managed fine without them.

Apple has some longer view on where it's all going and today's inconveniences may lead to improvements in the future, at least for the majority of users---of which we are not. Or maybe they're really just evil and like wanting to mess with like our heads, dude.

DCJ

There are some people saying “I don’t use the headphone jack so this doesn’t bother me.”

That’s totally fine and valid feedback.

There are some people saying “I don’t use the headphone jack so why can’t you just not use the headphone jack like me?”

That is just foolishness.

Samu

I sometimes feel that users who accept the BT-Audio latency are quite 'slow' anyways

gonekrazy3000

@Samu said:
I sometimes feel that users who accept the BT-Audio latency are quite 'slow' anyways

Lol. Nice one

motmeister

@Audiojunkie said:

@motmeister said:

@Audiojunkie said:

Here's the product: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPMHOY0

just ordered this from Amazon and will be here Weds. Even if the headphone jack DOESN’T go away, there have been times when this would have come in handy.

I’ll let you know what I think of it!

Yes, please do! And let everyone here know your experiences too. I get satisfaction from helping others.

The above device arrived today. Absolutely no problems plugging it to the CCK3 (so I could provide power for charging). There’s a port for a monophonic microphone too. I probably have a mono mic somewhere to test. I might even have a mono mini plug to two mono inputs somewhere. There are some interesting possibilities.

Audiojunkie

@motmeister said:

@Audiojunkie said:

@motmeister said:

@Audiojunkie said:

Here's the product: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPMHOY0

just ordered this from Amazon and will be here Weds. Even if the headphone jack DOESN’T go away, there have been times when this would have come in handy.

I’ll let you know what I think of it!

Yes, please do! And let everyone here know your experiences too. I get satisfaction from helping others.

The above device arrived today. Absolutely no problems plugging it to the CCK3 (so I could provide power for charging). There’s a port for a monophonic microphone too. I probably have a mono mic somewhere to test. I might even have a mono mini plug to two mono inputs somewhere. There are some interesting possibilities.

Cool! That came fast! I hope it works out for you!

AudioGus

So,if they do get rid of the headphone jack... can you still have two stereo outputs? Use an adapter that gives a headphone jack and also a lightning port for an audio interface? I just started using my audio interface and headphone jack at the same time. Pretty sweet.

Audiojunkie

@AudioGus said:
So,if they do get rid of the headphone jack... can you still have two stereo outputs? Use an adapter that gives a headphone jack and also a lightning port for an audio interface? I just started using my audio interface and headphone jack at the same time. Pretty sweet.

I believe the answer to of your questions is Yes and No. (1.)If you use an audio interface, you can have have as many stereo outputs as the interface provides--some have 8+ inputs and 4+ outputs. (2.)However, my understanding is that only one audio interface is allowed at a time, and the headphone jack would be obtaining signal from one (built into the adapter, IIRC), and the other one would be from your audio interface. This shouldn't be a problem however, since most audio interfaces come with a headphone jack that you can plug into by default. What is also nice, is that if you have a USB 3 CCK adapter, you can have your audio interface plugged into one jack, and the other can be plugged into your lightning charger.

david_2017

No worries fellas... we still stuck eehhh have these in our arsenal

theresadongleforthat

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One usb-c could solve that all at least.

u0421793

RS-232 interface lead