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@Rhism i've seen you strumming Guitarism with your thumb in your videos. Do you strum with your thumb on a real guitar? It's generally slower than with fingers or picks because the wrist doesn't tend to be used as much. Perhaps that's one difference.
I agree with all the FR's posted so far but I'd like to see Dynamics included as well, where distance from the "bridge" determines the intensity of the pluck or strum, on a per string basis. It makes for more musical playing. Then we'd basically have that "other app" with Audiobus support...
@PaulB You're right, it's the difference between thumb and fingers/wrist. When strumming with the thumb (best for iPhone) it's slower than with fingers / wrist (best for iPad / a real guitar). I'm guessing @Ryan was trying to strum with fingers on the phone too, which is why he wasn't liking the results as much since it's hard to be precise that way.
@Qrtptl guitarism's dynamics are based on strum speed. Strum slower or faster to change the volume. The dynamic range is smaller than with the "distance from the bridge" approach because there is noise in the "strum speed" signal that needs to be accounted for, but far more natural. I'd experimented with the "distance from the bridge" approach and found myself not liking it as it feels completely unnatural - you never control your volume on a real guitar that way. Instead, guitarism gauges distance from bridge to adjust the tone of the note - brighter closer to the bridge, duller closer to the neck. My ultimate ideal dream way to achieve good, natural dynamics would be to have physical strings - a hardware accessory that plugs into the phone and sends "string N strummed at velocity V" signals into the app
If anyone knows how to make that hardware let me know and I'd love to make it happen!
There are apps that use the accelerometer to gauge velocity, but it's hard (but not impossible) to get working well apparently. Strum speed seems a reasonable method (provided the results are in before the audio needs to be generated) as it's hard to strum fast and soft or slow and hard.
@PaulB Yeah accelerometer was less relevant for the phone, hopefully will add that for the iPad update.
People do strum slow and hard... when they're going one string at a time (at the end of a song). Guitarism handles that fairly well - its speed-to-volume function is non-linear and non-monotonic. The "fast and soft" scenario is the one that doesn't get handled well, but luckily it's not as common. Generally if you want to play soft you'd typically strum just the lower strings not all of them, which helps keep the volume low.
Is there any way to increase the volume of muted strings? I love that the app supports it, but I find the volume to be too low for most uses.
I agree with that. Would be nice to be able to raise or lover the various effects separately. Like the string noises on the chord pads.. I'd like to turn that up or down as well. Good request @funjunkie27
Thanks @Ryan. I'm with you on preferring the iPad ver, since the iPhone ver is just too small for my fingers. The iPad ver is much more comfortable to me. And as you mentioned before, it's a blast to route through JamUp!
@funjunkie27 Agreed that the muted strums are too soft right now - I'm planning to make them louder in the next update. Right now they're too soft to actually be useful as a strumming technique.
@Ryan would you want to turn the string noises up, down or off altogether?
@Rhism preferably a slider so we can adjust as we see fit, so all of the above i guess.. lol Same with the muted strings. Maybe if there was a mini mixer? With open string volume, muted string volume, hammer/pull volume and string noise volume.
@Rhism - glad to hear it's in the works. Do you have a rough idea on timeline? Nothing I would hold you to, of course, as I realize hitting any obstacles will add delays. Will that include the suggestions made by @Ryan too, or is it just the mute aspect? Also, I've certainly received a lot of interest in the app whenever I show anyone. Well done!
@funjunkie27 I'm planning to increase the default volume of the muted strums. Once I investigate it, if I find it to be easily doable (i.e. a higher volume doesn't disrupt other scenarios) it'll go into the next major update I have planned, which probably includes MIDI out and maybe some other stuff. No concrete timeline but hopefully by the end of Feb.
@Ryan Not too keen on throwing in a mini mixer without understanding the issues first. I get that at times you'd want the string noises off (which is possible via Settings app), and I get that when they're on you'd want them louder OR softer (either of which is possible by me changing the default volume), but I find it harder to understand why you'd want them louder AND softer at different times. So if that's the case I'll need some more elaboration
In general I lean much more heavily towards having good defaults vs user configuration, unless the latter is absolutely necessary. And in those cases I'd need to understand the user scenarios very clearly to understand what the right solution is, and why.
@Rhism You are right, it's no biggie at all, there really aren't any issues. It's just one of those things that would be nice to have if it's possible.. Maybe I want the string noises quiet and subtle for one tune and loud on another. Or have really loud mutes and subtle everything else. I don't know. It's obviously not important.. There is other things I'd way rather have like the custom tunings. :-))
Got it
Yeah I can't wait to get the chord creator done.
At some point in the future if I'm actually making money from this app I'd like to create a modding tool that lets people tweak all kinds of things about the app and make their own instruments from it... but that's something for another day
@rhism you just earned my 2 dollars!
Yeah, configurable number of strings, double/single courses, load your own samples, etc. That would be cool. You could have the first cittern on the bus.
Awesome to see a Dev paying attention to the community and getting a feel for the pro's/con's, what's most wanted, and what/how to implement features into future updates. Not often you see one so involved, especially when getting overloaded with so many great ideas to better an already fantastic app!
@Rhism thanks for the timeline estimate, and I agree with @JMSexton that it's great to see your involvement! I am curious about using Guitarism with the iPad mini. I'm thinking that might be the perfect form factor. Has anyone tried it yet?
Props for asking for use cases @rhism. Something tells me this isn't your first time around the software block.
We all want features, or so we think. Really, we want good apps and with 24 hours in a day that's only possible if devs are brave enough to say no. Asking for actual scenarios is a great way to know when 'no' is the appropriate answer.
Case in point: Audiobus. It would be amazing to see the list of features these dudes said 'no' to during the initial year of development. A million "no"s later: fucking-a Audiobus is a great app!
/End off-topic ramble.
@syrupcore Yep spent 10 yrs at Microsoft before this, dev and PM. And yep, 110% agreed on Audiobus benefiting greatly from its creators' ability to stay focused and being hard-nosed about it.
@funjunkie27 I'll let others respond regarding guitarism on iPad mini today, but FYI when I add native iPad support I'm going to tune it separately for iPad mini as it does seem like the perfect form factor.
@JMSexton Thanks for the thumbs up but the way I see it, I spend 10-20 mins a day over here, and in that time I get to talk to a bunch of people who are intelligent, passionate and knowledgeable about music apps. These people then proceed to tell me they love the thing I've been working hard on for so long, and they appreciate very detailed things that I've poured a lot of heart and soul into. They then proceed to tell me exactly what they'd like to see next which, though not new ideas for me, helps me to prioritize my list and gives me some tangible evidence that maybe someday soon I won't have to be burning through my savings in order to work on this. In business school they call that "awesome ROI" on my time investment.
I have a few Guitarism preset songs stored on my iPhone that I would like to transfer to my iPad - what is the best way to get them across (short of recreating them?). And is there a way to sign up to Rhism Nation without a Facebook account?
@Ryan and Rhism I took your advise and got a chord chart ipad app. It is actually free. Called chordbank. A really nice app. Thanks.
@PhilW No good transfer methods right now - hope to add this at some point. Hope to add non-Facebook accounts too, a lot of folks have asked about that. Both those items are non-trivial however so they're going to take a bit of time.
@mgmg4871 Cool!
Thanks anyway for the quick response. I'm loving Guitarism!
Wow @Rhism you might have just set a record for quickest implementation of a feature request ever with that string sound mute. lol Also @PhilW reminded me how much i liked the preset songs, forgot to cover that in the video but yeah that is a great feature. It would be great to be able to email them though, good request.
@mgmg4871 Right on man. Any time :-)
@Ryan I've just realised you can play the string squeaks solo, so they can be recorded as a separate take and relative volumes adjusted in the mix.
@Ryan The string sound mute was always there, I just moved it to a more visible spot. And yes, that update had already been submitted to apple before the request came in
@PaulB Yeah that's true. :-)
@Rhism oh, lol alright. I only looked at the settings in the main menu the first time I opened the app and I kinda forgot they were there :-))
@Rhism I agree with you. Wish more devs listened to their customers wants and needs, obviously not everything can be implemented but you can get some great ideas and diff point of views just by reading a forum for 15 min. A lot of devs forget that and their apps suffer for it. Keep on keeping on!
Hey guys we just did a nice video of guitatism on you tube, using it with AB and JamUp and Loopy and it is a very cool little app..you can see it at our channel just serch youtube for thesoundtestroom....all the best Doug and Jo