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  • ghost_forestsghost_forests

    Really great update but what would be really cool would be if each sequencer appeared as a separate midi source in AUM like Fugue Machine does here

  • SamuSamu

    @ghost_forests said:

    >

    Really great update but what would be really cool would be if each sequencer appeared as a separate midi source in AUM like Fugue Machine does here

    I'd rather keep the AUv3 list short...

    By default Riffer sends on MidiChannels 1-4 (this can be changed) so in AUM it's just a matter of selecting the right channel for the track in the tracks midi settings.

    For me it's not 'really cool' to bloat the AUv3 list with redundant objects ;)

  • ghost_forestsghost_forests

    That’s fair enough, as long as there’s a simple way of doing it then it’s all good

  • SamuSamu

    @ghost_forests said:
    That’s fair enough, as long as there’s a simple way of doing it then it’s all good

    Yepp, Doug (The Sound Test Room) did a nice live-steam on Riffer yesterday where he maps to different AU instruments.

    Dean did another awesome video too.

    It's very straight forward and the same procedure when using for example LK to sequence synths in AUM.

    Cheers!

  • oceansinspaceoceansinspace

    Hey, just riffing away and mucking about. I like the simpler screen idea and also although semi terrible maybe you export the 4 midi separately (don't punch me). Its funny we get so many apps and now when in AUM im SO overwhelmed on the whole process. I should just think I want a moog here with this fx but I end up mucking a bit much ahh life.

  • SamuSamu
    edited December 2020

    Just tested all midi-tracks are exported as a single file so it's up to the destination app to split them into separate tracks. (Most DAWs do this automatically, ie. one track per midi channel).

    I didn't test if the midi channel assignments in the app affect the export but I'm pretty sure they do.
    (Ie. if you assign all 4 tracks to send on midi-channel 1 the resulting export has all events sending on midi-channel 1). Seem like all events in the exported file are assigned to midi channel 1... (Need to dig deeper).

    Cheers!

  • SamuSamu

    @Audiomodern Is there even a remote possibility that we'll get an option for the midi export to also include the midi channel information for the events on each of the 4 tracks in Riffer?
    (The output channel information could be taken from the settings for the External Midi Outputs that can be set for each track).

    Currently all 4 tracks are assigned to midi channel 1 on export...

    Cheers!
    /Samuel

  • RajahPRajahP
    edited December 2020

    @Halftone said:

    @Halftone said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Looks like a cracking update.

    I remember reading about a few timing issues with this and Playbeat. Have both these apps had those issues resolved at this point?

    Thinking about finally plunging for the bundle.

    Tempo still drifts for me with Riffer3.0. Not too noticeable for the first couple mins. By after about 4+ mins of continuous play, Riffer has drifted out of time by a noticeable amount. I ran a 4x4 kick pattern on riffer & brams Rozetta xox sending to ruismaker kicks in AUM running at 44khz. Nothing else running. Playbeat suffers exact same issues for me 😕

    So I just tried loading Riffer & playbeat as IAAs and checked - after 5mins playing they both seemed to be in sync well still.. in previous test above I had loaded as AUv3

    So there is an issue with the Au? On my iPad Pro, I experience no issues.. but on my iPad 2018... I notice drifts when I Randomize..

    Edit, I have only been using the Auv3..

  • HalftoneHalftone

    @RajahP said:

    @Halftone said:

    @Halftone said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Looks like a cracking update.

    I remember reading about a few timing issues with this and Playbeat. Have both these apps had those issues resolved at this point?

    Thinking about finally plunging for the bundle.

    Tempo still drifts for me with Riffer3.0. Not too noticeable for the first couple mins. By after about 4+ mins of continuous play, Riffer has drifted out of time by a noticeable amount. I ran a 4x4 kick pattern on riffer & brams Rozetta xox sending to ruismaker kicks in AUM running at 44khz. Nothing else running. Playbeat suffers exact same issues for me 😕

    So I just tried loading Riffer & playbeat as IAAs and checked - after 5mins playing they both seemed to be in sync well still.. in previous test above I had loaded as AUv3

    So there is an issue with the Au? On my iPad Pro, I experience no issues.. but on my iPad 2018... I notice drifts when I Randomize..

    Edit, I have only been using the Auv3..

    I get tempo sync issues using as auv3...

  • CharlesalbertCharlesalbert

    @Halftone said:

    @RajahP said:

    @Halftone said:

    @Halftone said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Looks like a cracking update.

    I remember reading about a few timing issues with this and Playbeat. Have both these apps had those issues resolved at this point?

    Thinking about finally plunging for the bundle.

    Tempo still drifts for me with Riffer3.0. Not too noticeable for the first couple mins. By after about 4+ mins of continuous play, Riffer has drifted out of time by a noticeable amount. I ran a 4x4 kick pattern on riffer & brams Rozetta xox sending to ruismaker kicks in AUM running at 44khz. Nothing else running. Playbeat suffers exact same issues for me 😕

    So I just tried loading Riffer & playbeat as IAAs and checked - after 5mins playing they both seemed to be in sync well still.. in previous test above I had loaded as AUv3

    So there is an issue with the Au? On my iPad Pro, I experience no issues.. but on my iPad 2018... I notice drifts when I Randomize..

    Edit, I have only been using the Auv3..

    I get tempo sync issues using as auv3...

    Same here...

  • GovernorSilverGovernorSilver

    Is there a way to zoom in iPhone? The controls are too tiny to use in there.

    Other than that, looking forward to playing with this some more... on iPad of course

  • CracklePotCracklePot

    One annoying bug that seems to be squashed is parameters changing among all instances.
    Before, if you had a couple instances open, when you changed certain parameters in one instance, they would annoyingly propagate to the other instance.
    I believe it is fixed now.

  • senhorlampadasenhorlampada

    @Samu said:
    I'd rather keep the AUv3 list short...

    By default Riffer sends on MidiChannels 1-4 (this can be changed) so in AUM it's just a matter of selecting the right channel for the track in the tracks midi settings.

    For me it's not 'really cool' to bloat the AUv3 list with redundant objects ;)

    I see you're a man o Midi too :lol:
    Generally I don't even mind midi apps being AU because of this
    But I understand it's practical :tongue:

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    The New Riffer, 3.0 is so much better than the previous version, I’m getting such Better stuff out of it, can do more, I’m in love with this update so far... Congrats on a job well done @Audiomodern

  • SamuSamu

    @senhorlampada said:

    I see you're a man o Midi too :lol:
    Generally I don't even mind midi apps being AU because of this
    But I understand it's practical :tongue:

    I love the 'semi controlled chaos' Riffer can generate when controlling 4 different instruments or feeding all 4 to one :)
    (This is quite well demoed in the videos above).

    ...thought that when exporting the midi-file from Riffer that it would respect the midi-settings made in the app.
    Ie. each track would be on it's now midi-channel making it easy to split it to separate tracks in a daw.

    I do hope @Audiomodern will add this option to the iOS version of the app.
    (When used on the desktop it supports 'drag'n'drop' from the Riffer window to the daw time-line so it's a non-issue).

    Cheers!

  • FingolfinzzzFingolfinzzz

    @ghost_forests said:

    Really great update but what would be really cool would be if each sequencer appeared as a separate midi source in AUM like Fugue Machine does here

    You can output each one to a different channel from the one source

  • itgetslouderitgetslouder

    This kind of functionality in Playbeat would be next level, although I suppose you could recreate it in Riffer... still...

  • reasOnereasOne

    why do the notes i deselect turn grey instead of just disappearing!?

  • itgetslouderitgetslouder

    @reasOne said:
    why do the notes i deselect turn grey instead of just disappearing!?

    Use the eraser tool in the top right next to the randomise.

  • RajahPRajahP

    @Charlesalbert said:

    @Halftone said:

    @RajahP said:

    @Halftone said:

    @Halftone said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Looks like a cracking update.

    I remember reading about a few timing issues with this and Playbeat. Have both these apps had those issues resolved at this point?

    Thinking about finally plunging for the bundle.

    Tempo still drifts for me with Riffer3.0. Not too noticeable for the first couple mins. By after about 4+ mins of continuous play, Riffer has drifted out of time by a noticeable amount. I ran a 4x4 kick pattern on riffer & brams Rozetta xox sending to ruismaker kicks in AUM running at 44khz. Nothing else running. Playbeat suffers exact same issues for me 😕

    So I just tried loading Riffer & playbeat as IAAs and checked - after 5mins playing they both seemed to be in sync well still.. in previous test above I had loaded as AUv3

    So there is an issue with the Au? On my iPad Pro, I experience no issues.. but on my iPad 2018... I notice drifts when I Randomize..

    Edit, I have only been using the Auv3..

    I get tempo sync issues using as auv3...

    Same here...

    Been digging deep and can say, there is no drift on my iPad Pro (Settings in AUM Buffer 256ms, 44100hz.. if that means anything)... But it drifts on my 2018 iPad...

    Loving this gem... (well, mainly on my iPad Pro..) Thanks..

  • SamuSamu

    It's been very solid here regarding timing so we'll just have to hope it's not another one of those 'sample-rate' things that do not work properly when hardware sample rate is locked to 48k...

  • CharlesalbertCharlesalbert

    @Samu said:
    It's been very solid here regarding timing so we'll just have to hope it's not another one of those 'sample-rate' things that do not work properly when hardware sample rate is locked to 48k...

    It could be. It is a real pity lately this sample rate thing

  • SamuSamu
    edited December 2020

    @Charlesalbert said:

    @Samu said:
    It's been very solid here regarding timing so we'll just have to hope it's not another one of those 'sample-rate' things that do not work properly when hardware sample rate is locked to 48k...

    It could be. It is a real pity lately this sample rate thing

    Yeah and it is one of the reasons I stick to my iPad Air 2 so dearly as I can freely choose between 44.1k & 48k without having to hook it up to an Audio Interface and it's still got my beloved 3.5mm jack.

    I do wonder if those having issues could check the timing vs. sample-rate thing as this could help @Audiomodern to track it down and fix it, that is if they also have an external audio-interface that allows sample-rate change...

  • RajahPRajahP
    edited December 2020

    @Samu said:

    @Charlesalbert said:

    @Samu said:
    It's been very solid here regarding timing so we'll just have to hope it's not another one of those 'sample-rate' things that do not work properly when hardware sample rate is locked to 48k...

    It could be. It is a real pity lately this sample rate thing

    Yeah and it is one of the reasons I stick to my iPad Air 2 so dearly as I can freely choose between 44.1k & 48k without having to hook it up to an Audio Interface and it's still got my beloved 3.5mm jack.

    I do wonder if those having issues could check the timing vs. sample-rate thing as this could help @Audiomodern to track it down and fix it, that is if they also have an external audio-interface that allows sample-rate change...

    Had a ‘solid’ Riffer project going on my iPad Pro, Airdropped it to my 2018 iPad...and it drifted after a few minutes.. Really hope it get sorted out..

  • onerezonerez

    So I have 3 gen iPad Pro that is locked at 48. I might have tested wrong but someone let me know. I just had riffer send bass kick notes to ruismaker with metronome running. I let it go for 10 mins and it was on time.

    Is there something else I can do to test this drift??

  • RajahPRajahP

    @onerez said:
    So I have 3 gen iPad Pro that is locked at 48. I might have tested wrong but someone let me know. I just had riffer send bass kick notes to ruismaker with metronome running. I let it go for 10 mins and it was on time.

    Is there something else I can do to test this drift??

    Noticed no more drifts on my 2018 iPad after changing from 441 in AUM, to 48.. Maybe those who are getting drifts can report back..

  • onerezonerez

    @RajahP .... so how are you able to change the rate in AUM if you are on a hard coded sample rate because of the ipad? Are you using an interface?

  • HalftoneHalftone

    @RajahP said:

    @onerez said:
    So I have 3 gen iPad Pro that is locked at 48. I might have tested wrong but someone let me know. I just had riffer send bass kick notes to ruismaker with metronome running. I let it go for 10 mins and it was on time.

    Is there something else I can do to test this drift??

    Noticed no more drifts on my 2018 iPad after changing from 441 in AUM, to 48.. Maybe those who are getting drifts can report back..

    yeah, pretty sure it's that. I tried on my iphone at 48khz and things seem fine.

  • RajahPRajahP

    @onerez said:
    @RajahP .... so how are you able to change the rate in AUM if you are on a hard coded sample rate because of the ipad? Are you using an interface?

    No interface.. I just switch sample rates...here

    @Halftone said:

    @RajahP said:

    @onerez said:
    So I have 3 gen iPad Pro that is locked at 48. I might have tested wrong but someone let me know. I just had riffer send bass kick notes to ruismaker with metronome running. I let it go for 10 mins and it was on time.

    Is there something else I can do to test this drift??

    Noticed no more drifts on my 2018 iPad after changing from 441 in AUM, to 48.. Maybe those who are getting drifts can report back..

    yeah, pretty sure it's that. I tried on my iphone at 48khz and things seem fine.

    Great.. thanks for reporting..

  • onerezonerez

    Ok my confusion. I thought you were talking about iPad Pro which you can’t change the sample rate in AUM because that pro is hard coded. Cool.

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