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OT: We are so screwed
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Reports are published every year. If you do basic research you'll find hundreds of similar articles, and yes the information is dire. My only point was that unless and until it gets reported as the headliner news item, it's not going to be a priority for the general public, so don't stress yourself about it.
A real inconvenient truth is the need to update idevices to handle apps is in play with this.
Meanwhile the bugs all over iOS seem to be increasing each year. Could this somehow be related??? 👽. 🦗🦋🦟
Excuse my clumsy attempt at english as I try to lay this out. Yes we are all fucked. The American industrial complex owns the political system. Profit will always take precedent of the environment because the companies who can afford to pay large sums to lobby American politicians and buy their votes are the ones that have a vested interest in not supporting change that would improve the environment.
Given how much political influence America has over the world and the fact that you have countries like China working overtime to turn themselves into the America 2.0 then you can see why we are so fucked and I can see no way out of this because the American political system runs on who pays the most.
Know of any videos or listenable sources (podcasts etc) that can break this down for me while I work?
I have my two cents but if I left them here I’d only end up broke.
Well, they do. Since you're dismissing them I can only assume you have some pretty hefty counter-arguements.
You made a statement, that the Friends of the Earth website is: "a scare website is because it's based on what could happen, not something that will happen".
I'm guessing if you really believe that, and their promotion of, for example, 'The IPBES Global biodiversity assessment report' which states “Human actions threaten more species with global extinction now than ever before. Around 1 million species already face extinction, many within decades, unless action is taken to reduce the intensity of drivers of biodiversity loss”, then you have some pretty strong facts to prove otherwise?
Is this all just a fantasy, in your opinion?
If you’re not broke don’t fix it.
This report, if you read the article, is categorically different. News media are in a difficult position: how to alert readers/viewers that this is so much more alarming without seeming to cry wolf.
But I do think that intelligent people agree that action is needed. We all are fantastically privileged — we are not going to be the first to suffer the catastrophic effects of a collapsing food chain or scarcity of drinking water. But those who are displaced — through no fault of their own — will have every right to migrate to safer ground. Which is probably where we all live.
Being wryly detached isn't going to be a viable response when mass migration begins.
Just imagine if it cost an arm and a leg! I wouldn’t even be able to ba dum dum CHING on my drum set.
Yup.
We are so screwed.
Predictions and warnings are not going to motivate people to make the necessary changes.
Most people are not in a position to make an effective change, some don’t want to change anything, even if they could.
Change will happen when it is forced on us. That is when the disaster strikes your community. Everything will change, whether you want it to or not. The thing that gives me hope, is that when seeing other areas devastated by environmental disaster, the survivors come together and there is a lot of mutual support. Whatever were the perceived differences before, those are replaced by the fact that they are all victims of the same disaster now.
The scarier scenario is things falling apart slowly. That will cause people to turn on each other. Disasters seem to bring out the best in people, but a slow, inevitable demise brings out the self preservation instinct. When things get bad, and resources are scarce, people eventually kill and eat the other.
Fuck, I just reread what I wrote, and now even I’m feeling depressed.
We are SO screwed.
Agreed. But it’s nothing magical or a change in water supply that will bring disaster. The change will be in demand. The predictions in population growth for Africa this century... makes me lol to see people in this thread calling for the west to stop having kids, we’re not even having enough to replace ourselves.
Thank you.
All kidding aside you make a good point regarding agrarian.
That is a sort of way to treat the so called symptoms of the climate change models.
So, what is the result of turning more agrarian?
What I have seen is a semi elite "local food" movement that usually is mainly acquainted with a financially stable population cluster. It is usually predicated on some notion that the elevated costs are off setting the non negative result of the traditional production means of such foods. Usually these situations seemed to be associated with "local" markets or higher end dining establishments in trendy areas. Hardly a mass of the population.
These farmers markets in the cities I have lived like Miami, Baltimore, and NYC were crazy priced. I would go on a Sunday morning to buy some vegetables for the week and spend $100 on a small amount of average tasting foods. It was a matter of budgeting, it didn't make sense to buy the "local" organic sustainable fruits and vegetables due to the costs.
Unlike many governments, my household can't use baseline budgeting in dealing with living expenses.
That being said, some tax breaks for individuals in order incentivize some "greener" approaches is a wise idea. Let each person find a way to make it work for them.
But hardline government mandates that in one way or another hurt the public at large is less than ideal for my liking.
That approach never works with a less than 100% tangible and politically volatile issue such as this.
Thanks.
Climate Crisis at Apple HQ
This is neat...
https://www.census.gov/popclock/
Interestingly, Apple may be the corporation with the greatest capacity to actually make a difference in global climate, right?
If you have any videos or podcasts you recommend that discuss world population issues please send them my way.
It seems like evidence that the climate is evolving in an abnormal way is quite staggering. That beeing said we can’t even predict the weather properly for the next few day’s, so beeing careful with predictions is not totally irrational.
I would advocate a position that is akin to ‘Pascals wager’. Just replace ‘god’ with ‘climate change’. You can’t loose 😇
'Climate change' wants me dead.
Weird thing is, having kids seems to make it even more personal. So it’s not all bad.
BS. This is pure politics.
Most of these "scientists" and "foundations" are funded by the same loons that think the crap written on the Georgia Guidestone is a god idea.
Documented bad science on ACC
Corruption in pretty much EVERY large environmental agency
Etc.
It's a bunch of earth-first wack-jobs that would be perfectly content if you and everyone you know die so some "endangered" newt can flourish in some swamp no one has ever seen. and most of these Urban Sierra Club EcoNazis have never been to any real nature in their lives.
You want to give up internal combustion cars and drive your plague cart with free-range donkeys and eat bug infested, low-yield kale, be my guest. No one is stopping you. But stop trying to pretend you know ANYTHING about even medium term climate models, let alone long term.
There's more CO2 put out by a medium-sized volcano that ALL of the cars that have EVER been produced...
And why the fuck is stupid topic even on a music site anyway. And least file this tripe into OFFTOPIC.
I imagine even one could make it just as personal as having ten though.
Also, someone mentioned 'the west' but I was thinking more globally and not any particular region. But anyway, this is just bar chatter level stuff for me at the moment.
it was/is
I recycle. I get stuff to recycle from only two spots: a church and a hotel. Putting in about 5 hours a week I average around $400 a month which I donate to a school for poor children in India. Most of you probably don't have five hours a week to blow on something like this, and your recycling laws may be different, but I would encourage you to do something like this, even if for a short time--it'll really open your eyes to the nature of the beast.
One change it's made in me; I no longer blame the corporations that make this stuff or the laws that haven't caught up to the issue. I blame myself, I blame you and all others who support those who manufacture this garbage. It's us who shell out the money, it's us who demand the goods. It's us who buy a single-use container that serves us for a couple of minutes and lands in the ground or ocean virtually forever.
Let's be honest, changing our habits won't make any difference. But we can set the example for our friends and especially our families and if anything will lead to change, that will. Dozens of my friends are recycling today because they saw what I was doing.
That's my challenge to you. Set the example.
Is "real nature" where the "real Americans" are?
Wow, these last two "political threads" have really opened my eyes to how profoundly ignorant so many people are. You need to stop watching Fox and listening to talk radio, man. You're angry at the Sierra Club? Wow.
The new ignore button has suddenly come in handy for this thread.
It is pretty horrible (packaging etc) but I have heard that recycling does not actually make much difference (except with aluminum) and that the process is very wasteful and more of a political device than a real solution with results. That could be outdated info though or it was total BS. To be honest I got the info a long time ago and from two Vegas performers...
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6klo0p
I believe that when you examine the true agenda of the powers behind man-made global climate change, what you find is a spirit of divisiveness. They do not actually care which side you take personally, only that the two sides remain relatively equal in numbers to each other, so that what we do, is to spend all of our time and energy arguing with each other, as opposed to exposing their true agendas, which is to eventually have total control over everything that we believe and think, and ultimately, what we can do. The same thing can be said of the political landscape as well. Both sides, right and left, have in numbers, remained relatively equal. The purpose of which, is to keep us arguing with each other, rather than focusing on their true agenda, which again, is to ultimately control everything that we can do, say, and think. They want a central one world power, and one world religion, and to control all aspects of both.
Amen, brother.