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OT: We are so screwed
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Does the monkey even realize he’s insulting the creator?
In nutshell:
Shortly after 2100 number of people living on earth will start decline...
I'm with you there.
Sounds like the problem will take care of itself then. Unless I am missing something.
The real meltdown will commence when we liberate the methane in the ocean, anything between now and then will only be a catastrophe.
I have thought this same thought virtually every time I sort the recycling (twice a week for about ten years). In America, now that China has gotten out of accepting our recycling (or is going to, I'm not sure) , states are still recycling but merely hauling it all off to landfills. Sad! Aluminum is way better than plastic, but replacing all plastic containers with aluminum would probably be well beyond practical for obvious reasons. Glass is likely best practically, but it's heavy, dangerous and generates little money for those who do what I do.
On another piece of this discussion, concern for the climate isn't something that's come along in only our generation. The Bible, which I've read (as they say, the book is better than the movie), predicts that at the end of the age we live in humanity will be suffering from high temperatures and massive water pollution! No word on recycling though.
But as far as us as individuals, my advice: Do what you can, but don't let the current situation (politics, media, pollution, et. al.) wreak your enjoyment of your life. Hopelessness is a poison. Enjoy your loved ones, exercise your talents, contribute to the lives of others generously and enjoy some junk food now and then.
I can do that! Clam for president.
Yeah wtf I vote for Clam too.
If nominated I won't run. If elected I won't serve. Just send money, thanks!
😀😃😄😬😐😶😑😣😖😫😩😭😢😞😔😟😦😧🤔😱🤯 daily
with some
😡🤬🤢😷😴🤒🤪🤗😒 thrown in
everytime I think or read about our and the rest of life on this planet's situation.
And plant a fucking tree....
Great thread guys! I'm sorry I slept through it! Damn Australian time zone.
Unfortunately the West is no longer leading or better can lead in this post-colonial world. It's ironic to see that a strong West could probably turned the climate tables. But the World has changed since 1945. Which makes it very hard so not impossible to deal with global issues. Corruption is everywhere and widespread.
Besides that a lot of the ideas from the West are also not that creative. Which has much to do with subsidized and corrupted practices of placing windmills and solar panels everywhere. Besides that we need real creative solutions, we also need everybody everywhere convinced that we need to take action. As long as there are everywhere corrupt regimes there's lots of poverty everywhere and the population growth is still exploding beyond imagination (especially in Africa and parts of Asia) I pessimistic and sceptical about the future.
Our governments are indeed totally useless right now, but one thing we have going for us (one can also argue it imperils us further, of course) is our rate of tech development, as has already been invoked on this thread.
Tech is the one wildcard, it seems to me, the thing that could enable a small group of people to make a difference, as it's unlikely we'll see widespread mobility or top down change in time. (Not that we shouldn't keep trying, of course. Elections coming up.)
AI is the other interesting thing in the mix; there are some very bright and knowledgeable people who see the prospect of general AI representing our biggest existential threat; or our most promising salvation, if it turns out we can solve the alignment problem.
Anyway, interesting times. Having our little boy has made it quite a lot more personal and pressing.
No, not BS at all. This is an existential threat, not politics.
Um, 🖐 hi 👋! My name is Dave, I’m from a small town in anywhere USA. I have a question, who exactly are “they”? Inquiring minds want to know.
You know... not us.
You're making this into something it isn't.
Really all I did was express my opinion on some EU environmental policies and you have made this about that website, Brexit and proceeded to make me your enemy.
But since it must be about that website...
It's main objective is to use predictions to sway people politically. That does not mean in any way that I believe that any of the material they use is fantasy.
The problem is you are upset about what I said about that website. You have already made up your mind that I do not care about the environment like you do.
So true! And then, the people with indecent huge bunch of money, are now buying or building self sustainable bunkers. When the world collapse, they will watch the rest of us die of starvation.
"Sitting on the hillside
Watching all the people die
I'll feel much better on the other side"
Arthur Lee
really wish this got more attention, thanks for the post
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@Moderndaycompiler
Haha! Great. Do another one! 😸
If only I could @haulin_notes.
Credit to Julie.
The Cleaners by Julie Nahon. Homage to The Gleaners (Des glaneuses) by Jean-François Millet (1857).
You’re putting words into my mouth that I didn’t type. You said:
“Just saying Rohs is actually worse for the environment in some ways...
Some EU environmental laws are kind of dumb.”
I’m just interested in hearing some facts to back those statements up, and why you think the Friends of the Earth website is just a ‘scare’ website.
They say:
“Friends of the Earth changes the world by changing politics. That means working with politicians - and putting pressure on them - to get them to make decisions that are good for people and the planet. We do this with our supporters across Britain, Europe and the rest of the world.”
That’s just a mechanism to enact actual change. It’s not a ‘scare’ tactic, just presenting the relevant people with facts.
You say:
“That does not mean in any way that I believe that any of the material they use is fantasy.”
Then it’s not a ‘scare’ website, is it.
The report that Michael linked to wasn't about climate change though, it was about mass extinctions, which are documented and irrefutable. But you just dismissed it without even reading it (you thought it was about a different subject entirely), which tells us all we need to know about the worth of your opinion.
Sorry for using that word then. All the best!
PS
From how relentless you are about this whole thing I can see why your country is in Brexit.
https://newint.org/issues/2019/04/23/how-avoid-climate-breakdown
Nope, that's only because they all live in my kitchen now.
But seriously, yes, we are f*ed. I have a lot of explaining and apologizing to do towards my children.
Read Adorno & Horkheimer's "Dialectic of Enlightenment" (1944). The end result of enlightenment (reason) is tech and rational processes that lead us to this mess in the first place. With this process of rationalisation of tech and the speed AI is developing, man will be redundant within 100 years. Robots are so much more efficient.
Adapting tech for change without giving it little thought will make things worse. We are in deep shit. Sorry for being so pessimistic.