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OT: We are so screwed
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I think you're right, and I think the recent actions of some governments and businessmen represents a 'land grab', before the shit hits the fan, and to hell with the rest of us.
LOL
Wow
This is the only forum on the internet with this much respect and ability for people to have discussions.
Not bad for a bunch of hippie musicians.......LOL
1) You accuse the website of being a scare website.
2) MonzoPro asks you to explain why you think it's a scare website.
3) You go off on a tangent, but don't actually answer the question.
4) MonzoPro asks you again
5) You admit that it isn't really a scare website, but refuse to clarify your meaning, other than to suggest there's something illegitimate about the website because reasons.
6) You then respond with a bizarre non-sequituer about Brexit.
Someone's at fault here and I'm pretty sure it's not MonzoPro.
If it makes you feel any better most of the AI stuff is hype. We have huge problems as a species and our civilization may not survive - but the AI apocalypse is not on the near horizon.
While I think it's great people want to change their lifestyles and take responsibility for their environmental impact, that won't save us. It needs to happen at a national and global level, with massive institutional change. Quite frankly the main problem is capitalism, and unfortunately I don't see that going away.
On the positive side after large numbers of people and species have died off, humanity will probably survive as a species living in the ruins and landfills of a mysterious civilization. No iPads though.
Are you British?
That's a personal insult which adds absolutely nothing to the thread, and simply exposes you as a troll.
Consider yourself placed on Ignore.
Thanks for that.
Classic trolling I'm afraid - trashes someone else's comments, refuses to provide any facts to back up their alternative opinion, and then resorts to personal insults.
Use the ignore button, I see he's started on you too.
You're calling me a troll because I don't want to debate with you?
Childish. You don't care about anything except being "correct" in your mind. Sorry I don't buy into your bullshit, I attempted to be civil but you cannot be.
You wanted to tell me off from the moment I made a comment about EU Environmental Policy. Typical self righteous behaviour that caused your damn Brexit to begin with.
It's always good to see the argument backed with most 'lols' to win a debate.
... or to put it bluntly, I love to see a well argumented post because it has the power to change my opinion and teach me something. > @BroCoast said:
Wave sorry with one hand and punch with the other.
Yes people are passionate about their environment because its their home. There's nothing weird about it.
Are you kicking yourself for having (possibly unwittingly) created a political thread?
... or are you doing your bit in stirring up the environmental storm? We sure need it (no sarc).
Of course I know that, I was living in London last year.
The sad thing I encountered constantly was perfectly good social gatherings destroyed by people who could not resist baiting others into political discussion purely to tell them they were wrong.
Just like Monzo Pro forcing a website on me then relentlessly demanding "facts" from me because I think it's a scare website. Is it not acceptable to voice an opinion and not have to justify it to someone who already has the wrong idea about you?
I am glad I live back in Australia where I can voice my opinion without having some soggy fuck berating me for it.
I encourage every UK resident to put me on ignore if you don't like what I say. Or Michael can simply hit my off switch if that would give you people satisfaction.
Nice guy. Love to see you say that to my face.
I don't see the need for that.
You can go back to page 1 and see how I tried to avoid upsetting Monzopro. I said it wasn't a good idea and that he would get upset. Here we are and he is upset & also a tough guy apparently. Like I said use the ignore, which Monzo seems to be struggling to do.
Kind of like the deal or no deal struggle.
I wasn't upset, but when instead of using facts to back up your dismissal of what I posted (you started this debate, remember) you resorted to personal abuse - then I'm going to get offended and react appropriately.
Classic trolling. You post something you know will offend, the person reacts, you call them out for reacting.
If you don't want a reaction, don't push for one.
I'm not even remotely tough, I'm a big, soft, cuddly hippy. But I find in real life people don't walk up to me and call me a "soggy fuck", and I'm guessing you wouldn't either.
This could possibly be the Great_Filter. Note: this is not an audio filter.
OMG what started as something decent is becoming polarized again. I don't see the need for this. I assume that everybody agrees about the environmental issues debated here. The only thing is that people have different opinions about how to solve or even can they be solved in a world where individual humans put themselves first and above all others. And to Brexit or not. Most people on this list still live in democracies and when the peoples vote swings a way you don't like, deal with it and accept it. Otherwise we fall into dictatorships like Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. Maybe a nice thing to know for everybody on this list, the term avant garde was used by old dear Lenin to describe a group of revolutionary experts that know what's the best for everybody and people that didn't obey were deported. We saw the final results of that in the Gulags. I get the idea the there are especially quite a few young people that have the same ideas and think they know everything better without learning from history.
One thing I was talking about recently, was going on long drives and the car not being caked in insects, had a tiny screen wash container on my car too, would be a mare at times. Another thing I've noticed as I've got older, was when I was younger, I remember 4 distinct seasons, people would drive and walk in deep snow, unfazed, chilblains was just part of playing in the snow. Now a tiny bit of snow falls and it's chaos, especially on the roads, people abandon cars more often, which in the city and shallow snow is strange.
Year 2000, anybody?
If there is an AI Apocalypse, it will look like the Robots have come to the logical conclusion that the Humans suck and have to go.
But as usual, there will be the “man behind the curtain” remote controlling the whole thing, killing off the global population, starting with the poorest. When they have lowered the population sufficiently, they will stage a victory over the evil Robots and presents themselves as the Saviors of the Human Race.
Now, stop this nonsense and get back to work.
And this is relevant because...?
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Nobody told you were wrong. MonzoPro asked you to back your strong opinion up with some facts and then you proceeded to have a meltdown.
It's fine to voice a strong opinion but don't expect anybody to respect it (or you) if you can't back it up. Put up, or shut up.
Thank you for the reply. “They” are the ruling elite, the powers behind what are elected officials do.
Had a discussion a few years ago about the same subject with some friends with children (I don't have children yet). So childhood memories of hot summer and cold winters with a lot of snow while today it hardly seems to happen anymore. Wring the showed amongst other pictures of their children playing in snow and bathing. The conclusion was that if you are young you experience everything so much more intense because all these things are new. If you grow older time looks to go faster and the times that there is for example snow for a few weeks feels like it hardly was winter. We even got into weather statistics and yes also in my youth you had this kind of winters and summers more often than you think. The big difference is that ther was in the past no internet, no ready to access data to point to this things.
Politics has always been about Power, Corruption & Lies (like that title of the first New Order album). The problem is in my eyes that there's not really a better sytem than democracy although it has it's flaws.
Yeah, it's funny how change blind most of us are though; this stuff changes so slowly it's really hard to spot unless you have a particular kind of mind!