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OT: We are so screwed
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Could be. In our hands at least, democracy seems intrinsically inclined towards a fairly uninformed popularity contest, riven by tribal boundaries that pay little attention to long term outcomes. Pretty far from optimal. If we were capable of rising above the tribal thing it might go better but we're not there just yet (as evidenced by our little squabble above 😕).
Benevolent dictatorship I reckon. I vote for @LinearLineman.
Or have scientific data and historical records. It's not just PPM measurements. Its tree ring growth, ocean acidification, sea level rise, glacial melt, ice core samples, etc etc.
But yeah I'm also old enough to remember the weather (which is not the climate) being different.
Yeah, the science should really be the beginning and end of the story. Sadly, though, lots of people unwilling to face up to it. Seeing it for themselves usually does the trick, as we've seen in the drought-ridden countryside in Aus, but that's pretty late in the game to come to one's senses.
Hmmm. I think I just read that Pompeo sees the melting ice as an opportunity to make money... there you have it. @Michael, I married to a “benevolent” dictator. One is enough in the family!
Agreed about perception of time changing as you age, being stuck in a routine doesn't help, especially if the routine lacks the sort of moments that produce vivid memories, it's like time compresses in memory into a blur without any contrasting experiences. You raise a very interesting point about the difference a few weeks will seem to a child compared to an adult and the novelty of experience when you're a wee bairn. One of the main things I've noticed through the years, would be what I'd describe as seasonal drift, when things fall outside the range you'd expect to happen.
An example would be mushroom season starting later, would go mushroom picking in the 90's, start keeping an eye out around late september to late october, noticed a few years back it seemed to of shifted to late november - late december, usually when the frost started hitting before. It might just of been a mild winter, but something I noticed end of last year too, was how long it took the leaves to fall off the trees, ones that shed in autumn. Been dropping mice off at this mini wood, last weekend there were still loads of leaves on the ground, which made me happy in one respect, they have cover from animals and birds that see them as a tasty meal, but worried in another.
Well here are the facts:
I made a comment about EU Environmental policy and provided a link as to why I feel that way.
Monzopro directed me to that website. I called it a scare website because it is. It uses predictions to sway readers politically. I already gave an acceptable answer and it just wasn't acceptable for him because like I've already said he had the wrong idea about me.
If you cannot go back to page one and read what I said from the start I feel sorry for you just like Monzo. Funny how one can proclaim the ignore function is so fantastic yet struggle to use it. The temptation to tell me I'm wrong, call me a troll and tell me off is too strong for some British folk. It is a British thing unless you can provide me with facts that prove otherwise! See how that works?
Well put, couldn’t agree more.
Ignorance being what it is, is unaware of the extent of it’s own blindspot, and on top of that can be proportionally arrogant.
We need to grow up and and very very quickly.
Our specie population have grown at a pace that have outrun our capacity to adapt, which is at first what made us so successful.
I am not too worried about human survival, but we put too much pressure on the ecosystem and this is what worries me a LOT. We depend on it so much not to say that it is the most beautiful, precious, magnificent, humbling thing that I am aware of, taking millions and millions even billion of years to take shape
And it can’t be fixed.
The problem is a global one, the solution has to be global too. The social revolution that is needed is really only just taking shape, it’s our inter-connection via communication, it’s progress has dark consequences though. Short term though, this will lead to polarised views and confusion.
Could the media be covering it's own complicit ass for when instead of heating, the planet rapidly cools with all the ramifications that scenario holds.
The information around this cooling statement will be found within the concept of 'Grand Solar minimum' that of a stalled sun at the end of the current solar cycle 24.
When the sun goes quiet, earths magnetic shield weakens and allows more of the galactic cosmic rays to enter the atmosphere. In addition to causing increased cloud cover (proven at Cern), these rays also cause the banded jet streams to 'kink' around the hemispheres. This results in local weather becoming abnormal and is what the ass covering media has termed as 'polar vortex' as an explanation for the big cold events that occur.
I'm in the southern hemisphere and it's unknown what a potential solar minimum holds...as all the historic climate data and documented evidence comes from the northern hemisphere.
Solar cycles only last 11 years though, while the number of natural disasters seem to be on a longer upward trajectory, along with the scale or severity of these natural disasters.
Species come and species go.
It's only natural that as humans continue to increase in population size and spread out, that there will be a negative effect on various other areas. If the environment is of primary importance to certain people, then less humans and population control is obviously the solution. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This article strikes me as scaremongering, sensationalist eco-drivel designed to frighten the average person who does not have the knowledge and is not capable of understanding the science behind it all. Much of climate science is merely a guessing game, and many of the so-called experts have been horribly wrong in many of their predictions. I would not place any money on any of their predictions. I would get better odds by taking that same money and going to Vegas. Therefore, due to a lack of true understanding, the beliefs of the average person that has fallen for the propaganda begins to take on a religious overtone and I consider many climate fantasists to be religious extremists and dangerous people.
Many sinister, opportunist politicians and other conniving people are also using climate hysteria as a means of personal gain and to gain control of others. Others are attempting to use it as a form for economic redistribution (theft) of wealth.
The ironic part is that even though I believe that most of this is nonsense and I don't recognize the legitimacy of the UN or the EU or their expertise and I do not trust their motives, I'm probably one of the most green people in this entire thread, as I have zero kids, I live in an apartment and I don't even drive a car.
The day that Al Gore and other fanatical priests of the green movement begin to sell their mansions and never again fly in a plane and begin to live as they like to preach, and in accordance with the level of their fear mongering, then perhaps I would take these religious fanatics more seriously. That day has not yet arrived, and I'm not holding my breath for it either.
@CrazySynthMan has the crazy bit nailed 😂
@CrazySynthMan, let us say all you argue is true. Can you explain to me how you have withstood the onslaught of disinformation and remained objectively pure? Is there no hint of doubt in your conceptions?
And surely those conceptions have not sprung out of your forehead like Athena did from Zeus. What are the sources of your unshakeable beliefs and explanations for everything? Can you list some? I truly wish others with similar points of view would speak out and support CSM. Surely it is too much for the shoulders of one man, even if that man has godlike qualities of discernment, journalistic perfection in digging out the primary sources, astute judgements of human nature as to who is good and who is evil,
deep and confidential sources as to the workings of the deep state, and a comprehensive knowledge of history from which he can draw truisms that seem to elude many of us. Still, one man cannot defend what a multitude of flaky techno geeks wish to tear down. Unfair! Sad! Witch-hunt!