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  • @anickt said:
    One thing to consider. At what point are you adding fx just because you can? When are those fx just making a bunch of noise out of your drum track. The KISS principle will often give you cleaner mixes.

    FX are for piling on a crap track until it sounds like you did it on purpose. Sometimes no amount of FX can make a good track sound bad, so it's always best to get it as crappy as possible to begin with so that I don't have to overdo the FX.

  • I tried and I was able to pass the Rock DM MIDI output into AudioBus 3 and then out to Zenbeats and have i activate the drum track there.

    1. Start with AudioBus 3. Configure a MIDI path with System/Vir Channel #1 on the input and the output.

    2. In the Rock DM MIDI page select AudioBus as the MIDI out target and turn on "Send Notes". Set the output MIDI channel to 1 (or at least match what Zenbeats is going to expect as the correct MIDI channel. I choose 1.

    3. In the Zenbeats MIDI configuration select AudioBus as the MIDI 1 Input source.
      ON the mixer page configure the MIDI source for the drum track as "All" or "AudioBus 3".

    One tricky detail is that your can hear the Rock DM drums in that app and in Zenbeats you'll hear that dum set of sounds. It appeared that the bass drum and snare were set to the right NOTES. Rock DM allows you to configure the Note value send out for each drum component.

    I hope this helps.

    MidiFire is an amazing utility for problems like these but AudioBus can also do basic plumbing using virtual circuit endpoints like this.

  • Is there a way to load a project faster?

  • So what’s the easiest way to drop my wav loops into ZenBeats to check this sucka out?

  • I noticed that Zenbeats had "background audio" turned on but when I closed the UI the drums that we're being fed MIDI through AudioBus stopped sounding. Is there a way to get background audio to continue so I can can tweak settings in Rock DM and hear the impact on the Zenbeats drum track?

  • wimwim
    edited June 2020

    @gusgranite said:
    So what’s the easiest way to drop my wav loops into ZenBeats to check this sucka out?

    Files app into on my device > Zenbeats > Zenbeats User > Audio Samples if you want to copy folders. You may need to exit and restart the app to see them if the app is already running, I think. Even though they’re in folders, they’ll show up at first all in one list. But, you can filter by folder using the drop-down.

    For single samples it’s probably easier just to import in the app. When you select User from the filter drop down, you’ll see an open folder icon.

  • edited June 2020

    @McD said:
    I noticed that Zenbeats had "background audio" turned on but when I closed the UI the drums that we're being fed MIDI through AudioBus stopped sounding. Is there a way to get background audio to continue so I can can tweak settings in Rock DM and hear the impact on the Zenbeats drum track?

    I don't know what you mean by "close the UI"

    ZB background audio is working for me via MidiFire. I have ZB running in background in song/pattern view.

    Idea: make sure the drum track is selected

  • McDMcD
    edited June 2020

    @mojozart said:

    @McD said:
    I noticed that Zenbeats had "background audio" turned on but when I closed the UI the drums that we're being fed MIDI through AudioBus stopped sounding. Is there a way to get background audio to continue so I can can tweak settings in Rock DM and hear the impact on the Zenbeats drum track?

    I don't know what you mean by "close the UI"

    Shut down the focus on Zenbeats and Open "Rock DM". The drums playing in Zenbeats stop.

    ZB background audio is working for me via MidiFire. I have ZB running in background in song/pattern view.

    Idea: make sure the drum track is selected

    I'll try these 2 tips. Thank you for the assistance.

  • edited June 2020

    anick> @wim said:

    @gusgranite said:
    So what’s the easiest way to drop my wav loops into ZenBeats to check this sucka out?

    Files app into on my device > Zenbeats > Zenbeats User > Audio Samples if you want to copy folders. You may need to exit and restart the app to see them if the app is already running, I think. Even though they’re in folders, they’ll show up at first all in one list. But, you can filter by folder using the drop-down.

    For single samples it’s probably easier just to import in the app. When you select User from the filter drop down, you’ll see an open folder icon.

    See this post: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/807792#Comment_807792

  • @wim @McD @mojozart Thanks all for the help! I Midifire is new to me and I didn’t have the nodes set up correctly. The mapping is a little off but that should be relatively easy to adjust (fingers crossed). I can turn the volume down in Rock DM’s mixer and check the hits in Zenbeats’ drums. This is going to be fun!!

  • The latest update seems to have broken pitch bend from MIDI FX like Velocity Keyboard and KB1 completely. I've confirmed this on two separate iPads. Just having them in the FX chain but switched off breaks it for the ZenBeats built in keyboard too (it works once they're removed). I've tested Velocity KB pitch bend in Cubasis 3 and it still works so it's definitely a ZenBeats issue

  • @charalew said:
    The latest update seems to have broken pitch bend from MIDI FX like Velocity Keyboard and KB1 completely. I've confirmed this on two separate iPads. Just having them in the FX chain but switched off breaks it for the ZenBeats built in keyboard too (it works once they're removed). I've tested Velocity KB pitch bend in Cubasis 3 and it still works so it's definitely a ZenBeats issue

    Turn off Block All Raw MIDI CC’s

  • @anickt said:

    @charalew said:
    The latest update seems to have broken pitch bend from MIDI FX like Velocity Keyboard and KB1 completely. I've confirmed this on two separate iPads. Just having them in the FX chain but switched off breaks it for the ZenBeats built in keyboard too (it works once they're removed). I've tested Velocity KB pitch bend in Cubasis 3 and it still works so it's definitely a ZenBeats issue

    Turn off Block All Raw MIDI CC’s

    Hey thanks very much for posting that - it does indeed resolve the issue. That's great I can get back to making music. Must be a new thing with the update as I've never needed to touch that setting before🤓

  • @charalew said:

    @anickt said:

    @charalew said:
    The latest update seems to have broken pitch bend from MIDI FX like Velocity Keyboard and KB1 completely. I've confirmed this on two separate iPads. Just having them in the FX chain but switched off breaks it for the ZenBeats built in keyboard too (it works once they're removed). I've tested Velocity KB pitch bend in Cubasis 3 and it still works so it's definitely a ZenBeats issue

    Turn off Block All Raw MIDI CC’s

    Hey thanks very much for posting that - it does indeed resolve the issue. That's great I can get back to making music. Must be a new thing with the update as I've never needed to touch that setting before🤓

    Same here. Roland recently did some updates regarding plug-ins (like scanning) so I thought to look at settings for KB-1 (which is awesome) and ZB to see if anything worked differently.

  • @anickt said:

    @charalew said:

    @anickt said:

    @charalew said:
    The latest update seems to have broken pitch bend from MIDI FX like Velocity Keyboard and KB1 completely. I've confirmed this on two separate iPads. Just having them in the FX chain but switched off breaks it for the ZenBeats built in keyboard too (it works once they're removed). I've tested Velocity KB pitch bend in Cubasis 3 and it still works so it's definitely a ZenBeats issue

    Turn off Block All Raw MIDI CC’s

    Hey thanks very much for posting that - it does indeed resolve the issue. That's great I can get back to making music. Must be a new thing with the update as I've never needed to touch that setting before🤓

    Same here. Roland recently did some updates regarding plug-ins (like scanning) so I thought to look at settings for KB-1 (which is awesome) and ZB to see if anything worked differently.

    Really like it but the fantastic Velocity sensing on Velocity KB has made it my go to keyboard on iOS!

  • @gregsmith said:
    I loved Zenbeats (Or stagelight as it was then) and made a few tracks in it. It had very few limitations compared to the other daws and was universal, but I was eventually seduced by xequence/AB/AUM megadaw which is my current workflow. However this still has the ridiculous limitation of no decent way to have audio tracks sync with the timeline of Xequence. I feel like Zenbeats could be the perfect app to plug into this workflow to solve the audio track problem with its timestretching and other audio editing tools. It doesn’t have Audiobus support though right? And there’s no other way for it to fit in?

    Boy, I’d love to see an answer to your post!

  • @motmeister said:

    @gregsmith said:
    I loved Zenbeats (Or stagelight as it was then) and made a few tracks in it. It had very few limitations compared to the other daws and was universal, but I was eventually seduced by xequence/AB/AUM megadaw which is my current workflow. However this still has the ridiculous limitation of no decent way to have audio tracks sync with the timeline of Xequence. I feel like Zenbeats could be the perfect app to plug into this workflow to solve the audio track problem with its timestretching and other audio editing tools. It doesn’t have Audiobus support though right? And there’s no other way for it to fit in?

    Boy, I’d love to see an answer to your post!

    From what I've seen ZB will not lock to other apps. After using it for a while I decided I can do pretty much everything I need in ZB along with Auditor and if I really want something from another app I just export a wav and import it. Honestly, I spent a lot of time fighting with iOS music apps and really not having any fun. Something would always go wrong. Once I learned Zenbeats I thought "finally!". Not that its perfect but for my use its pretty close. I acknowledge everyone's brain is different and YMMV of course. B)

  • @motmeister said:

    @gregsmith said:
    I loved Zenbeats (Or stagelight as it was then) and made a few tracks in it. It had very few limitations compared to the other daws and was universal, but I was eventually seduced by xequence/AB/AUM megadaw which is my current workflow. However this still has the ridiculous limitation of no decent way to have audio tracks sync with the timeline of Xequence. I feel like Zenbeats could be the perfect app to plug into this workflow to solve the audio track problem with its timestretching and other audio editing tools. It doesn’t have Audiobus support though right? And there’s no other way for it to fit in?

    Boy, I’d love to see an answer to your post!

    Ya so I used to be the biggest Xequence and AUM guy myself. Loved Xequence soooo much and I finally took the pill. I have gone pretty much all in on Zenbeats. You can still use Xequence with Zenbeats but I find no need now.... I’m like dumping all my midi to Zen and rolling with it.

  • edited June 2020

    @anickt and @onerez ...

    I do a LOT of MIDI editing, and there’s currently none better than Xequence. Zen’s pattern editor needs a LOT of improvement. As I learn more, I’m warming to Zen, and though hard to figure out, Zen’s interface is pretty good. On the audio side, Zen has a lot of good stuff. I haven’t completed a song in it yet, but I can envision it. To be honest, it seems that almost any DAW needs a good audio editor behind it. I’ve used TwistedWave, but I HAVE Auditor, so i’ll try it out just to have another tool.

    For a few weeks I spent a lot of time with BeatMaker3, and it wasn’t bad. Without audio file support, NanoStudio2 isn’t ready. Cubasis3 has some good stuff too. So far, assuming development and improvements continue, Zen may work out...

  • @motmeister .... I totally hear you.... I don’t think there is anything that touches Xequence midi editing. But like I said once I got down deep in Zen.... jeez I sound like @wim there LOL. Anyway I see a very bright future with Zen. I still use Xequence to throw me out some sweet polyhmnia patterns. I have tried them all iOS DAW’s. And for me the one with the least drawbacks is ZEN. I can only see more improvements coming down the line in Zen.

  • I often send the same MIDI to a couple of different synths. I couldn’t find a “Zenbeats native” way to replicate this. Perhaps there is one, but i looked and tried a few things without success. The object is to have the MIDI pattern on synthA be send to synthB (and synthC, etc) without having to duplicate that pattern on the other synths. If you duplicate and want to change the pattern, you have to go back and replace it on all the tracks.

    Victor Porof’s MIDITools suite has some handy tools for manipulating MIDI. During the initial app scan when I started Zenbeats for the first time, it hung up on MIDI Route, and that one was ultimately not loaded (I assume it was quarantined). But MIDIBus WAS loaded. I got the following to work as I wished:

    Track1 - synthA with MIDIBus as a MIDI Effect in “send” mode. The MIDI was imported to this track.
    Track2 - synthB with MIDIBus as a MIDI Effect in “receive” mode. There was no MIDI on this track.
    Track3 - synthC with MIDIBus as a MIDI Effect in “receive” mode. There was no MIDI on this track.

    When I played the mix, all three synths played the MIDI as I hoped they would.

    Perhaps this will benefit someone else. And if you know a “native” way to do it, I’d appreciate hearing about it.

  • @motmeister said:
    I often send the same MIDI to a couple of different synths. I couldn’t find a “Zenbeats native” way to replicate this. Perhaps there is one, but i looked and tried a few things without success. The object is to have the MIDI pattern on synthA be send to synthB (and synthC, etc) without having to duplicate that pattern on the other synths. If you duplicate and want to change the pattern, you have to go back and replace it on all the tracks.

    Victor Porof’s MIDITools suite has some handy tools for manipulating MIDI. During the initial app scan when I started Zenbeats for the first time, it hung up on MIDI Route, and that one was ultimately not loaded (I assume it was quarantined). But MIDIBus WAS loaded. I got the following to work as I wished:

    Track1 - synthA with MIDIBus as a MIDI Effect in “send” mode. The MIDI was imported to this track.
    Track2 - synthB with MIDIBus as a MIDI Effect in “receive” mode. There was no MIDI on this track.
    Track3 - synthC with MIDIBus as a MIDI Effect in “receive” mode. There was no MIDI on this track.

    When I played the mix, all three synths played the MIDI as I hoped they would.

    Perhaps this will benefit someone else. And if you know a “native” way to do it, I’d appreciate hearing about it.

    Thanks for this. I thought there was a way to do this in Advanced MIDI Settings but it didn’t work as expected.

  • @anickt I could have sworn that you were able to select multiple outputs for midi? Maybe I Am crazy.

  • @onerez said:
    @anickt I could have sworn that you were able to select multiple outputs for midi? Maybe I Am crazy.

    No matter what I did I could only get one track to play. I asked about it in one of the classes but we ran out of time before I got a definite answer. @motmeister trick works like a charm!

    PS - Roland just dropped a TR-606 into ZB. 100 loops, 4 kits - clean, driven, lo-fi and reverb and 10 preset patterns. Sounds pretty good!

  • wimwim
    edited June 2020

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Is there a way to load a project faster?

    Freeze tracks everywhere you can.

  • wimwim
    edited June 2020

    @onerez said:

    @tahiche said:

    @onerez said:
    @tahiche .. no sends yet for individual hits, but you can add FX on individual hits... you can also do automation on each hit as well. I think that I asked the devs about the sends and it might be on a roadmap somewhere, but I could be wrong. Depending on how complicated your drum pattern is you could always have multiple kits and have the sends that way.... I hope I am making sense as I have been up for way too long.

    CPU usage sort of 😱 having a whole drum kit just for a snare makes me shiver. And it might be total nonsense, having a drum kit with just one piece could very well not provide extra strain, it might be psychological.

    I get you..... I would not do it as well. I am hoping that we can get a sends for each pad. But I have been using some of the internal FX more to shape some sounds..... worked out well on my track I posted earlier.

    I found a workaround, if you own Ape Matrix. Ape comes with some free FX that you can use in any host. One is called Mixer Send Receive.

    Create a send track (using the plus sign in the track area, not from the drum channel itself) and add the plugin as the first FX. Now in the drum track, add the plugin on the pads that you want to bus. Now turn the post gain all the way off. This will send the pad to the send track. You can also make use of the post gain as a dry / wet mix.

    Mixer Send Receive has 16 busses. All you need to do is make sure both ends are set to the same bus to send any where you want.

  • @wim said:

    @onerez said:

    @tahiche said:

    @onerez said:
    @tahiche .. no sends yet for individual hits, but you can add FX on individual hits... you can also do automation on each hit as well. I think that I asked the devs about the sends and it might be on a roadmap somewhere, but I could be wrong. Depending on how complicated your drum pattern is you could always have multiple kits and have the sends that way.... I hope I am making sense as I have been up for way too long.

    CPU usage sort of 😱 having a whole drum kit just for a snare makes me shiver. And it might be total nonsense, having a drum kit with just one piece could very well not provide extra strain, it might be psychological.

    I get you..... I would not do it as well. I am hoping that we can get a sends for each pad. But I have been using some of the internal FX more to shape some sounds..... worked out well on my track I posted earlier.

    I found a workaround, if you own Ape Matrix. Ape comes with some free FX that you can use in any host. One is called Mixer Send Receive.

    Create a send track and add The plugin as the first FX. Now in the drum track, add the plugin on the pads that you want to bus. Now turn the post gain all the way off. This will send the pad to the send track. You can also make use of the post gain as a dry / wet mix.

    Mixer Send Receive has 16 busses. All you need to do is make sure both ends are set to the same bus to send a where you want.

    Nice

  • wimwim
    edited June 2020

    I initially neglected to clarify: create the send using the plus sign as you would when creating a new track, not from the drum track itself. I corrected the original post.

  • Can you make the faders taller in the mixer?

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