Roland Zenbeats by Roland Corporation (Auv3)

david_2017

is this a free upgrade? or subscription by now?
haven't had the time to dive into the hype.... thanks in advanced.

Samu

@david_2017 said:
is this a free upgrade? or subscription by now?
haven't had the time to dive into the hype.... thanks in advanced.

There's a V3 unlock for a fair price...
...for those that really love ZenBeats

I might give ZenBeats another check in a year or two...
For now I'm happier with the free space on my iPad after deleting it.

Cheers!

MatthewAtZenbeats

@djjuniorpops said:

@Ozzy57 said:
Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats, could we have an update which includes the ability to see AUV3 picture icons as well as just the names of AUV3 plugins? Would be a great help in quickly identifying them!

I second that

On desktop platforms, ZB will automatically take a snapshot of plugin window when you load as use it as the image. This feature is blocked by iOS for some reason. Will continue to look into it.> @Yalexein said:

Fantastic but something is not clear, why not probability on midi ?

That's a good question! I'd like to see that at some point as well.

@tahiche said:
Thanks for the update!. Some cool stuff here. I want to hear what others have to say. Personally I do like the new stuff but I wished it’d gone further, hope it keeps coming!
From the first look.

👍:

• Audio editing, cropping, slice … on the drum sampler is very nice.
• layout, sections and window management is a lot better.
• The “drop midi to audio” to render midi is a killer feature. 🔝
• multi track recording in loop builder was badly needed!. Yet to try it out.
• favorites for auv3 plugins is a great timesaver. Favorites in general are really nice.
• Probability on drum sequencer! Yes, yes!
• Drum editor, automation etc ui and workflow is a lot better.
• Group tracks are a very welcome addition!.

Things I really miss:

• CC automation and in general more flexible midi routing, midi on track auv3 plugins….
• artwork for 3rd party auv3 plugins, specially since there’s a lot more of them. (Mentioned above 👆 +1)
• Being able to map the midi note of the drum seq instruments to be able to better trigger external instruments.
• drag and drop from file system and not having to import Audio beforehand.
• Sidechain, buses and flexible audio routing

I’m having issues with automation. When moving nodes while playing, there’s a crackle and the auv3 crashes, it becomes a white screen and the audio stops.

The new features are great and they improve the experience. But as I pointed out before I’d love to see more “pro” enhancements to improve flexibility and integration with other plugins and apps. Is there a roadmap for any of these?. I know these kind of “more advanced” features might not be flashy or appealing for new users but they’d greatly improve the app for those that are more advanced.
Anyway, thanks for the update. Zenbeats is my fav DAW on iOS and I’m really glad to see its very much alive!. 👏🙌

Hi @tahiche

Thank you for the feedback and feature requests. Two comments on:

• Being able to map the midi note of the drum seq instruments to be able to better trigger external instruments.

You can now map MIDI notes to specific drum pads in ZR1. Just tap and hold on a drum slot in the editor and select MIDI Learn from the dropdown list.

• Sidechain, buses and flexible audio routing

I know we still need sidechain, but outside of group tracks, what other audio routing options are you missing?

Korakios

@david_2017 said:
is this a free upgrade? or subscription by now?
haven't had the time to dive into the hype.... thanks in advanced.

5$ upgrade from v2 , or 15$

you can also go for subscription (check the other thread spammed for this particular discussion)
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50215/a-new-zenbeats-version-very-soon#latest
the first month is free

I think the Pro unlock ,is a bit unfair for iOS , since you can't access Zenology Pro
I saw a video ,using PC/Mac , exporting presets from Zenology Pro to ZC1 , but it would be nice if the Pro unlock had all the presets automatically on ZC1 on iOS (and expansion model to ZC1 conversion if possible or at least as sfz to open inside SampleVerse)

djjuniorpops

I am not a lover of Subscription model, but I do understand the concept, developers got to eat to and needs to be paid for continue development of a App.

MatthewAtZenbeats

@Korakios said:

@david_2017 said:
is this a free upgrade? or subscription by now?
haven't had the time to dive into the hype.... thanks in advanced.

5$ upgrade from v2 , or 15$

you can also go for subscription (check the other thread spammed for this particular discussion)
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50215/a-new-zenbeats-version-very-soon#latest
the first month is free

I think the Pro unlock ,is a bit unfair for iOS , since you can't access Zenology Pro
I saw a video ,using PC/Mac , exporting presets from Zenology Pro to ZC1 , but it would be nice if the Pro unlock had all the presets automatically on ZC1 on iOS (and expansion model to ZC1 conversion if possible or at least as sfz to open inside SampleVerse)

I agree. Pro is only useful if you are also a MacOS or Windows users. If Zenbeats is your main interest, Core is all you need and is by far the best value imo.

MatthewAtZenbeats

@CapnWillie said:
@MatthewAtZenbeats do you think we will see note repeat and pad groups on the drum sampler? Id really love to be able to layer sounds in the sampler but Atleast pad groups would be a quick and dirty way of allowing this.

I'd love to see note repeat in ZR1!

Pad Groups
I would think supporting multiple samples per pad would better achieve this. What do you think?

Please pass mucho kudo to the team. I’ve been around since Stagelight and those early dev/user live chats with the team. I had a different sn here but we’ve exchanged quite a bit. Congrats on the progress. Come along way.👌🏽

I see myself using Z3 a lot this year. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the kind words and the support man! We have come a long way, but still have forever to go, lol :-)

pr4y_4_beats

@MAtrixplan said:

@pr4y_4_beats said:

@MatthewAtZenbeats said:
Hey Everyone!

Just came here to share, Zenbeats 3.0 is here.

In addition to the some of the bigger features, we've added over 60+ improvements throughout the app. A lot of which came out of direct feedback from this community. I know we haven't done everything requested here (with this release;-), but we're still at it and have plenty of work to do! I hope you all like what we dropped today, but do not hesitate to hit me up with feedback, requests, etc. We are listening.

Thanks for the support!

Matthew Presley.

For those who like to read change logs:

TLDR VERSION
Zenbeats 3.0 is here!

Introducing ZR1 Drum Sampler

Sample and import right into Drum Pads
Slice Editing
Mixer Integration
and more

Sound Browser and Discovery Enhancements

Album Art
Favorites feature

Group Tracks with nested folders

New dynamic UI along with dozens of additional enhancements

See Roland - Zenbeats | Music Creation App for more info

FULL VERSION

hey, i abaolutely love zenbeats 3.0 i have however noticed that i cannot open certain auv3s anymore without them freezing and getting a blank white screen. koala sampler being one of them. whether i open koala first or zenbeats first no matter what i try to do i get a white screen with koala, and ive noticed in the plugin drop down menu on the right there are three apps in a category called "quarantined plugins" and koala was one of them so im not sure if that has anything to do with it...

man, if i could be part of the beta that would be so awesome, zenbeats has quckily become my main tool since about 5 days ago and then BOOM version 3 comes out. i was not expecting that! thanks for not leaving this app out to dry like some other big name companies and their apps cough reason studios cough

I have also blank page loading presets in Hammerhead.
@MatthewAtZenbeats - give us also Reason Rack under Windows and I will subscribe for whole year

holy crap that would be awesome i have reason 11 on my pc...

pr4y_4_beats

@Samu said:

@david_2017 said:
is this a free upgrade? or subscription by now?
haven't had the time to dive into the hype.... thanks in advanced.

There's a V3 unlock for a fair price...
...for those that really love ZenBeats

I might give ZenBeats another check in a year or two...
For now I'm happier with the free space on my iPad after deleting it.

Cheers!

so there was nothing to unlock for me idk.. seems like some people are findind this fee to get V3 but it app just came in a free update for me

pr4y_4_beats

@MatthewAtZenbeats said:

@CapnWillie said:
@MatthewAtZenbeats do you think we will see note repeat and pad groups on the drum sampler? Id really love to be able to layer sounds in the sampler but Atleast pad groups would be a quick and dirty way of allowing this.

I'd love to see note repeat in ZR1!

Pad Groups
I would think supporting multiple samples per pad would better achieve this. What do you think?

Please pass mucho kudo to the team. I’ve been around since Stagelight and those early dev/user live chats with the team. I had a different sn here but we’ve exchanged quite a bit. Congrats on the progress. Come along way.👌🏽

I see myself using Z3 a lot this year. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the kind words and the support man! We have come a long way, but still have forever to go, lol :-)

any ideas about koala sampler, hammerhead, etc just giving a blank white screen? no matter what we try to do i CANNOT get those apps to integrate..

also, if there was a way to midi out everything to xequence2 on different channels and then create tracks in xequence2 for each zenbeat channel, and use midi thru to keep xequence as a midi hub where i just go into xequence and change the selected track and it will change the zenbeat instrument with my external keyboard? cant seem to figure this out either, ..... so yeah my main issues are koala sampler and using xequence2 midi thru..

thanks for an awesome app!

FordTimeLord

Does the new slicer only work on samples you record into the app? I’m trying to slice an imported drum loop but can’t find a slice option

Korakios

@CapnWillie said:
On another note, since I have a feeling folks will be following, asking and requesting more of Zenbeats development….do you guys want me to merge all or some of the Zenbeats threads?

I think it would be easier on @MatthewAtZenbeats to respond and inform us in a centralized thread. I think there will always be other threads for more specific issues with it but it would be great to have a clear home base for the latest update, FAQ, tips and tricks.

What say you Zenbeaters?

from me +1 for merge (if the flow makes sense) , or at least lock the other thread

FordTimeLord

@CapnWillie said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Does the new slicer only work on samples you record into the app? I’m trying to slice an imported drum loop but can’t find a slice option

Yeah, looks like audio editing is restricted to the drum sampler. I initially imported loops into an audio module thinking I could come back and slice em up once arranged. Negative. Or…I’m missing something.

Ah ok, thanks. It doesn’t seem to work importing audio onto a pad in the drum sampler either. I can only see slice options if I record the audio to a pad. Seems a bit of a strange limitation.

FordTimeLord

@CapnWillie said:
On another note, since I have a feeling folks will be following, asking and requesting more of Zenbeats development….do you guys want me to merge all or some of the Zenbeats threads?

I think it would be easier on @MatthewAtZenbeats to respond and inform us in a centralized thread. I think there will always be other threads for more specific issues with it but it would be great to have a clear home base for the latest update, FAQ, tips and tricks.

What say you Zenbeaters?

Sounds good to me.

anickt

@FordTimeLord said:

@CapnWillie said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Does the new slicer only work on samples you record into the app? I’m trying to slice an imported drum loop but can’t find a slice option

Yeah, looks like audio editing is restricted to the drum sampler. I initially imported loops into an audio module thinking I could come back and slice em up once arranged. Negative. Or…I’m missing something.

Ah ok, thanks. It doesn’t seem to work importing audio onto a pad in the drum sampler either. I can only see slice options if I record the audio to a pad. Seems a bit of a strange limitation.

You can slice an imported loop. Import to a pad and then tap the arrow on the right edge of the pad. It works but I think it needs some tweaking in the transient detection because the slices are not always what you might expect. At this point it seems there’s a lot of manual tweaking that needs to be done but I need to spend more time with it to be sure it’s not just user error.

anickt

@CapnWillie said:

@Korakios said:

@CapnWillie said:
On another note, since I have a feeling folks will be following, asking and requesting more of Zenbeats development….do you guys want me to merge all or some of the Zenbeats threads?

I think it would be easier on @MatthewAtZenbeats to respond and inform us in a centralized thread. I think there will always be other threads for more specific issues with it but it would be great to have a clear home base for the latest update, FAQ, tips and tricks.

What say you Zenbeaters?

from me +1 for merge (if the flow makes sense) , or at least lock the other thread

Hmmm. New to the mod tools and didn’t even know locking threads was possible. Perhaps that’s above my pay grade as I don’t see the option. Sounds like the best option indeed. Hopefully hear from a few more Zenbeaters on the topic and I’ll also check with Michael about how best to move forward should there be consensus on merge/lock.

Maybe lock the other threads and start a Zenbeats 3.0 thread?

FordTimeLord

@anickt said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@CapnWillie said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Does the new slicer only work on samples you record into the app? I’m trying to slice an imported drum loop but can’t find a slice option

Yeah, looks like audio editing is restricted to the drum sampler. I initially imported loops into an audio module thinking I could come back and slice em up once arranged. Negative. Or…I’m missing something.

Ah ok, thanks. It doesn’t seem to work importing audio onto a pad in the drum sampler either. I can only see slice options if I record the audio to a pad. Seems a bit of a strange limitation.

You can slice an imported loop. Import to a pad and then tap the arrow on the right edge of the pad. It works but I think it needs some tweaking in the transient detection because the slices are not always what you might expect. At this point it seems there’s a lot of manual tweaking that needs to be done but I need to spend more time with it to be sure it’s not just user error.

That’s strange it doesn’t seem to be working here. If I record a sample with the microphone I see the slice option. If I import a loop it vanishes. Should I be seeing the ‘slice options’ button on the imported loop too?

DanSebPage

Having tried Zenbeats for the first time last night, I could very easily see this becoming my DAW of choice. I've been using Cubasis for the past year, so I'm mostly comparing things to that.

Firstly, The drum sampler is amazing - to be able to work on the drumkit as a whole, yet have quick LP/HP filter & waveform editing per sample, along with each sample getting its own mixer track (allowing individual per-sample effects) is super useful. This thing is begging for drag-and-drop iOS Files app support though!

Cubasis has no pattern ghost/cloning which bugs me a little, but I'm pleased to see with Zenbeats it's very easy to drag out a pattern to create 'clones' (and all pattern automation is neatly duplicated too.

When it comes to automation, the editor is a breeze to use, both in pattern and track automation modes, and I was especially pleased to see spline curves between automation points! Editing automation while the track was playing did seem to continually crash the Auv3 effect however, although I suspect this will be patched fairly quickly. (Maybe a similar issue to Auv3 synths failing to load & displaying a white background?)

Being able to list all automate-able parameters is a nice touch, but unless I'm missing something, i don't think you can record parameter tweaks to automation in real-time? (this would make it nigh on impossible to recreate a manual X-Y pad pattern/sweep - I'm thinking Wow Filterbox for e.g)

One final thing, @MatthewAtZenbeats are you able to comment on how well this DAW handles multi-core processors (M1 iPad specifically) as I know Cubasis excels in this department

anickt

@FordTimeLord said:

@anickt said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@CapnWillie said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Does the new slicer only work on samples you record into the app? I’m trying to slice an imported drum loop but can’t find a slice option

Yeah, looks like audio editing is restricted to the drum sampler. I initially imported loops into an audio module thinking I could come back and slice em up once arranged. Negative. Or…I’m missing something.

Ah ok, thanks. It doesn’t seem to work importing audio onto a pad in the drum sampler either. I can only see slice options if I record the audio to a pad. Seems a bit of a strange limitation.

You can slice an imported loop. Import to a pad and then tap the arrow on the right edge of the pad. It works but I think it needs some tweaking in the transient detection because the slices are not always what you might expect. At this point it seems there’s a lot of manual tweaking that needs to be done but I need to spend more time with it to be sure it’s not just user error.

That’s strange it doesn’t seem to be working here. If I record a sample with the microphone I see the slice option. If I import a loop it vanishes. Should I be seeing the ‘slice options’ button on the imported loop too?

If I import a drum loop (or any longer file like an a cappella) I get the slice editor button. If I import a single drum hit I don’t. Not sure why that would be. I think the new drum machine needs a tutorial because some of it is not intuitive. Sometimes it’s hard to know if it’s “a bug or a feature”!

Korakios

@DanSebPage said:
Being able to list all automate-able parameters is a nice touch, but unless I'm missing something, i don't think you can record parameter tweaks to automation in real-time? (this would make it nigh on impossible to recreate a manual X-Y pad pattern/sweep - I'm thinking Wow Filterbox for e.g)

unfortunately ZB3 doesn't record AU automation , you have to draw it

FordTimeLord

@anickt said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@anickt said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@CapnWillie said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Does the new slicer only work on samples you record into the app? I’m trying to slice an imported drum loop but can’t find a slice option

Yeah, looks like audio editing is restricted to the drum sampler. I initially imported loops into an audio module thinking I could come back and slice em up once arranged. Negative. Or…I’m missing something.

Ah ok, thanks. It doesn’t seem to work importing audio onto a pad in the drum sampler either. I can only see slice options if I record the audio to a pad. Seems a bit of a strange limitation.

You can slice an imported loop. Import to a pad and then tap the arrow on the right edge of the pad. It works but I think it needs some tweaking in the transient detection because the slices are not always what you might expect. At this point it seems there’s a lot of manual tweaking that needs to be done but I need to spend more time with it to be sure it’s not just user error.

That’s strange it doesn’t seem to be working here. If I record a sample with the microphone I see the slice option. If I import a loop it vanishes. Should I be seeing the ‘slice options’ button on the imported loop too?

If I import a drum loop (or any longer file like an a cappella) I get the slice editor button. If I import a single drum hit I don’t. Not sure why that would be. I think the new drum machine needs a tutorial because some of it is not intuitive. Sometimes it’s hard to know if it’s “a bug or a feature”!

Ah ok. Just tried a longer drum loop and the slice option appears. Maybe it has a minimum length requirement 🤷‍♂️

anickt

@CapnWillie said:
I think that’s the best option @anickt

Currently don’t see the thread lock tool so awaiting instructions from Michael.

BTW, how are you feeling about Z3 so far. I definitely remember you from those early live chats with the Stagelight team.

Have you stuck around the whole time?

Ahoy Capn!

I was a big Zenbeats fan but they made some changes (particularly to the UI) that didn’t work for me so I got away from it. I tried CB3 but couldn’t connect with it overall. Nothing was really working for me other than NS2 but… no audio tracks.

Toward the end of last year I found that FLSM has a lot going for it and IMHO was as close to NS2 with audio tracks as I had seen. Much of it (including MIDI editing) is as good as NS2 which is my gold standard for workflow. Of course no AU but that was less of an issue than I thought.

When Roland dropped Zentracker i saw some interesting improvements to the UI I was hopeful they would get ZB back on track and for the most part I think they have.

😎👍🏼

l33tzke

@FordTimeLord said:

@anickt said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@anickt said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@CapnWillie said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Does the new slicer only work on samples you record into the app? I’m trying to slice an imported drum loop but can’t find a slice option

Yeah, looks like audio editing is restricted to the drum sampler. I initially imported loops into an audio module thinking I could come back and slice em up once arranged. Negative. Or…I’m missing something.

Ah ok, thanks. It doesn’t seem to work importing audio onto a pad in the drum sampler either. I can only see slice options if I record the audio to a pad. Seems a bit of a strange limitation.

You can slice an imported loop. Import to a pad and then tap the arrow on the right edge of the pad. It works but I think it needs some tweaking in the transient detection because the slices are not always what you might expect. At this point it seems there’s a lot of manual tweaking that needs to be done but I need to spend more time with it to be sure it’s not just user error.

That’s strange it doesn’t seem to be working here. If I record a sample with the microphone I see the slice option. If I import a loop it vanishes. Should I be seeing the ‘slice options’ button on the imported loop too?

If I import a drum loop (or any longer file like an a cappella) I get the slice editor button. If I import a single drum hit I don’t. Not sure why that would be. I think the new drum machine needs a tutorial because some of it is not intuitive. Sometimes it’s hard to know if it’s “a bug or a feature”!

Ah ok. Just tried a longer drum loop and the slice option appears. Maybe it has a minimum length requirement 🤷‍♂️

@MatthewAtZenbeats do you know if this topic (or any general v2 vs v3 topics) may be covered in one of the Zenbeats Cloud Academy courses or any other online material?
It could be interesting to have some documentation on this, as apparently it is generating a bit of confusion now.

anickt

@l33tzke said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@anickt said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@anickt said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@CapnWillie said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Does the new slicer only work on samples you record into the app? I’m trying to slice an imported drum loop but can’t find a slice option

Yeah, looks like audio editing is restricted to the drum sampler. I initially imported loops into an audio module thinking I could come back and slice em up once arranged. Negative. Or…I’m missing something.

Ah ok, thanks. It doesn’t seem to work importing audio onto a pad in the drum sampler either. I can only see slice options if I record the audio to a pad. Seems a bit of a strange limitation.

You can slice an imported loop. Import to a pad and then tap the arrow on the right edge of the pad. It works but I think it needs some tweaking in the transient detection because the slices are not always what you might expect. At this point it seems there’s a lot of manual tweaking that needs to be done but I need to spend more time with it to be sure it’s not just user error.

That’s strange it doesn’t seem to be working here. If I record a sample with the microphone I see the slice option. If I import a loop it vanishes. Should I be seeing the ‘slice options’ button on the imported loop too?

If I import a drum loop (or any longer file like an a cappella) I get the slice editor button. If I import a single drum hit I don’t. Not sure why that would be. I think the new drum machine needs a tutorial because some of it is not intuitive. Sometimes it’s hard to know if it’s “a bug or a feature”!

Ah ok. Just tried a longer drum loop and the slice option appears. Maybe it has a minimum length requirement 🤷‍♂️

@MatthewAtZenbeats do you know if this topic (or any general v2 vs v3 topics) may be covered in one of the Zenbeats Cloud Academy courses or any other online material?
It could be interesting to have some documentation on this, as apparently it is generating a bit of confusion now.

Quick tip—

One thing I see is that if I create a new drum kit and start adding samples, the parameter controls (chosen on the left ie: Gain, Pitch, etc) can be wonky and pads sometimes get arbitrarily deselected until I save the new kit. After that it seems to work as expected.

ecamburn

How do folks use session and arrange view together? I’m assuming there’s a way to record session clips to the timeline yes? Is that the only way the two views can interact?

Korakios

@ecamburn said:
How do folks use session and arrange view together? I’m assuming there’s a way to record session clips to the timeline yes? Is that the only way the two views can interact?

long press the recording button and select "record to timeline"

DanSebPage

@Korakios said:

@DanSebPage said:
Being able to list all automate-able parameters is a nice touch, but unless I'm missing something, i don't think you can record parameter tweaks to automation in real-time? (this would make it nigh on impossible to recreate a manual X-Y pad pattern/sweep - I'm thinking Wow Filterbox for e.g)

unfortunately ZB3 doesn't record AU automation , you have to draw it

Ah... I feared as much, that's a pain, thanks for confirming

anickt

Didn’t we used to be able to drag fx to rearrange their order? Can’t get it to work.

So far this new ZB is very good given the few teething pains that are sure to get ironed out.

Thanks @MatthewAtZenbeats and team! 😎👍🏼

MatthewAtZenbeats

@CapnWillie said:

@ecamburn said:
How do folks use session and arrange view together? I’m assuming there’s a way to record session clips to the timeline yes? Is that the only way the two views can interact?

I believe so. Don’t see anyway to drag and drop or send scene to timeline. Id love if there was more flexibility here.

Yeah right now the only way is to set the record mode to "Record To Timeline". I agree, an easy way to copy all parts or individual parts to the timeline would be nice!

@anickt said:
Didn’t we used to be able to drag fx to rearrange their order? Can’t get it to work.

So far this new ZB is very good given the few teething pains that are sure to get ironed out.

Thanks @MatthewAtZenbeats and team! 😎👍🏼

You should still be able to drag and drop to rearrange effects.

anickt

@MatthewAtZenbeats said:

@CapnWillie said:

@ecamburn said:
How do folks use session and arrange view together? I’m assuming there’s a way to record session clips to the timeline yes? Is that the only way the two views can interact?

I believe so. Don’t see anyway to drag and drop or send scene to timeline. Id love if there was more flexibility here.

Yeah right now the only way is to set the record mode to "Record To Timeline". I agree, an easy way to copy all parts or individual parts to the timeline would be nice!

@anickt said:
Didn’t we used to be able to drag fx to rearrange their order? Can’t get it to work.

So far this new ZB is very good given the few teething pains that are sure to get ironed out.

Thanks @MatthewAtZenbeats and team! 😎👍🏼

You should still be able to drag and drop to rearrange effects.

Got it working. I think I just wasn’t hitting the “sweet spot”. Thanks @MatthewAtZenbeats