AudioKit L7 - Live Looper by Coda Labs Incorporated

danielfromcodalabs

@alvescarlos said:

I would just like to say something about the usability of AudioKit L7 - Live Looper as an IAA right now. My purpose is to load L7 on an FX slot on a DAW (AUM in my case) and then create loops of virtual instruments. What happens is that L7 is loaded in fullscreen, making unable to see the virtual keyboard of the virtual instrument, so one have to switch apps to play the notes and control the loops, which is pretty much unusable.
I suppose this is beacuse L7 is IAA. If it was AUv3, it wouldn't happen, since L7 would be loaded inside a resizeable window and then both L7 and the virtual keyboard are seen at the same time. Am I right?

We are working on AUv3 compatibility. If you’re on an iPad, for now you could use split screen and get almost the same result. Hope this helps!

danielfromcodalabs

@eyesunderground said:
Am I the only one that can’t seem to get this working directly as IAA in AUM?

I can see it in the effect slot but it’s not available as a source. It looks like a few screenshots and videos have it showing up as a source.

I’ve gotten it to work in AUM through Audiobus but shouldn’t it work without AB?

L7 as a source isn’t supported because the app requires audio input to function. In Audiobus you should put it in the receiver slot, and in AUM you should put it an effects slot. Let me know if this works for you.

Jumpercollins

Great for countdowns if nothing else !

Bon_Tempi

@Pierre118 said:

@Bon_Tempi said:

@Pierre118 said:
I have the same experience as @Gravitas No crackles, working perfect.

Stereo and multiple audio outs would be great!

Ok - and with Link enabled or without?

Makes no difference. Very odd that you have crackles, you have the same hardware as I have. Already did a hard reset?

Yes, I did ... )

Bon_Tempi

@danielfromcodalabs said:
@Bon_Tempi sorry that it’s still crackling on your end. I know it must be frustrating to have other people with the same setup experiencing no issues. I can assure you that we do test this stuff before pushing updates. Unfortunately iOS likes to fight back sometimes (especially with 13).

Could you send me an email at [email protected] and include a video of the problem? That would really help me understand your setup so I can debug this.

Ok, thanks for your response - and yes, will sent you a video later this evening -

Gravitas

@Bon_Tempi said:

@Gravitas said:

That's unusual.

I tested it a couple of days ago and managed to get 7 tracks of audio looping,
I also have it on my iPhone so I was testing both iDevices at the same time
routing the audio and synths out from the iPhone into the iPad.
I have a template in AUM setup specifically for Quantiloop.
With a couple of modifications I swapped out Quantiloop and put in L7
routing my four inputs straight into L7 with Neo Soul Keys and iGrand Piano
via a couple of AUM channels.

Works solid.

My only complaints are that it's not in
stereo yet and it needs multiple audio outs.
The stereo part is going to be sorted
out in the next couple of updates.

I had a few crashes with Ableton Link but that's
been fixed in the recent update apparently.
I've yet to test it.
I've got loads of other stuff happening musicially.

iPad Pro 9.7" 1st gen , iOS 13.2.2 buffer set to 256 samples

I tested again after reading your message - at first I lowered the buffer from 1024 to 256 - both inside AUM and L7 - and at first I thought this caused the problem - but after a while of testing I would say - crackling is less at 256 then at 1024 ... but still there ...

Then I switched off Ableton Link inside the settings of L7 - and as far I can see it right now - Link being enabled caused my problems .,,

I could literally switch Link off (no crackles) - switch it back on (instant crackles) - switch it back off (no crackles)

So - have you had Link enabled in your „stable“ set-up?

Yes, I do have link enabled in my setup.
Hence finding the link bug that I mentioned earlier.

Try doing this.

I figured this out with Quantiloop.

Run L7 first then open up AUM, put L7 into effects slot as per
then close down the main L7 and then open it back up again in AUM.

There is something going on with buffer settings and audio apps.

If I don't open up the programs in a particular way I get massive crackles etc.

I now have particular shortcuts for the setups
that I need to use as well as sessions in AUM

Gravitas

@danielfromcodalabs

Is there any possibility of adding 12 in the max loop section?

Gravitas

@Bon_Tempi

Do you know if I can share AUM sessions?
If so I'll send you my current working template for L7
if not I'll write out for you.

Bon_Tempi

@Gravitas said:
@Bon_Tempi

Do you know if I can share AUM sessions?
If so I'll send you my current working template for L7
if not I'll write out for you.

That would be great and I would love to try it - and yes, I think it’s possible to share/sent AUM sessions - I guess I have seen it already here on the forum - I am just not an expert enough to know how exactly ...

danielfromcodalabs

@Gravitas said:
@danielfromcodalabs

Is there any possibility of adding 12 in the max loop section?

I’m actually trying to figure out a way to do any max loop length (even odd numbers). Still conceptualizing how to have this make sense in the UI and not be too cumbersome. If you have any suggestions, I’d be happy to hear them.

Gravitas

@rs2000

Do you know how to share AUM presets via the forum???

rs2000

@Gravitas said:
@rs2000

Do you know how to share AUM presets via the forum???

I only know the hack to zip it and rename it to a photo format like I did here.
Then download it using e.g. Readdle Documents and rename it back to zip.

skiphunt

Ok... I'm still getting some bpm weirdness even after the update, but it's definitely improved. The weirdness being that after a couple of loops, for some reason the bpm changes to a dash "—" until I manually set the bpm again. This is when loaded in AUM.

Here's another thing I'm not getting how to set up:

Let's say I've got L7 in the fx slot of AUM and and synth in the source slot. If I want to record playing live into a loop I have to first leave the AUM screen and go to the L7 screen... hit the sample button to start the countdown... then rush back to the AUM screen to play what I'm trying to loop. If I hit A, then I have to rush back to the L7 screen to tap on the sample to stop recording.

Is there no way to activate recording and stop recording in L7 directly from the AUM screen so that I don't have to jump back and forth?

I can do it if i load L7 into AB3 then route that into AUM so that I get the AB controller tab... but is there any way I can do this without having to string together two apps? ie. trigger L7 record/play/stop from the AUM screen?

Jumpercollins

@skiphunt said:
Ok... I'm still getting some bpm weirdness even after the update, but it's definitely improved. The weirdness being that after a couple of loops, for some reason the bpm changes to a dash "—" until I manually set the bpm again. This is when loaded in AUM.

Here's another thing I'm not getting how to set up:

Let's say I've got L7 in the fx slot of AUM and and synth in the source slot. If I want to record playing live into a loop I have to first leave the AUM screen and go to the L7 screen... hit the sample button to start the countdown... then rush back to the AUM screen to play what I'm trying to loop. If I hit A, then I have to rush back to the L7 screen to tap on the sample to stop recording.

Is there no way to activate recording and stop recording in L7 directly from the AUM screen so that I don't have to jump back and forth?

I can do it if i load L7 into AB3 then route that into AUM so that I get the AB controller tab... but is there any way I can do this without having to string together two apps? ie. trigger L7 record/play/stop from the AUM screen?

@skiphunt Midi learn and a controller via midi bindings I would of thought would be the only way as AUM doesn’t have the controller tabs like AB3. Being IAA that’s always going to be the problem till the AU version appears.

espiegel123

@skiphunt said:
Ok... I'm still getting some bpm weirdness even after the update, but it's definitely improved. The weirdness being that after a couple of loops, for some reason the bpm changes to a dash "—" until I manually set the bpm again. This is when loaded in AUM.

Here's another thing I'm not getting how to set up:

Let's say I've got L7 in the fx slot of AUM and and synth in the source slot. If I want to record playing live into a loop I have to first leave the AUM screen and go to the L7 screen... hit the sample button to start the countdown... then rush back to the AUM screen to play what I'm trying to loop. If I hit A, then I have to rush back to the L7 screen to tap on the sample to stop recording.

Is there no way to activate recording and stop recording in L7 directly from the AUM screen so that I don't have to jump back and forth?

I can do it if i load L7 into AB3 then route that into AUM so that I get the AB controller tab... but is there any way I can do this without having to string together two apps? ie. trigger L7 record/play/stop from the AUM screen?

You need to use AB3 which has the bonus of state-saving. If you save the AB3 setup, the AUM setup is saved in the AB3 setup

Gravitas

@rs2000 said:

@Gravitas said:
@rs2000

Do you know how to share AUM presets via the forum???

I only know the hack to zip it and rename it to a photo format like I did here.
Then download it using e.g. Readdle Documents and rename it back to zip.

Okay good to know.

I'm going to try and share some of my sessions for AUM.

I'll test this as soon as I can.

Gravitas

@danielfromcodalabs said:

@Gravitas said:
@danielfromcodalabs

Is there any possibility of adding 12 in the max loop section?

I’m actually trying to figure out a way to do any max loop length (even odd numbers). Still conceptualizing how to have this make sense in the UI and not be too cumbersome. If you have any suggestions, I’d be happy to hear them.

Have one extra ,'button', which is labelled user or custom
keeping the same design for the other numbers.

There's more than enough space in the bottom left hand.

If it's centered then it wouldn't look too displeasing to the eye.

Another way would be to have another box in the same area and
have arrows top and bottom but that wouldn't be as visually pleasing.

Or simply have an empty box and state in the manual that the
box is for odd even numbers for those who like to type it in ahead.

Sometimes I'm not to sure how many measures I'm going to play
as I can vary the length of the chord progressions.
I like to keep things fluid.

Gravitas

@danielfromcodalabs

Oh a third occurred to me,

Two arrows and an empty box.
That way you can input the value or
step it up or down like you would do with tempo.

Edit

Two arrows pointing up and down
and an empty box beside it for the numbers
as opposed to a box with the arrows top and bottom
which was in my original comment.

skiphunt

@Jumpercollins said:

@skiphunt said:
Ok... I'm still getting some bpm weirdness even after the update, but it's definitely improved. The weirdness being that after a couple of loops, for some reason the bpm changes to a dash "—" until I manually set the bpm again. This is when loaded in AUM.

Here's another thing I'm not getting how to set up:

Let's say I've got L7 in the fx slot of AUM and and synth in the source slot. If I want to record playing live into a loop I have to first leave the AUM screen and go to the L7 screen... hit the sample button to start the countdown... then rush back to the AUM screen to play what I'm trying to loop. If I hit A, then I have to rush back to the L7 screen to tap on the sample to stop recording.

Is there no way to activate recording and stop recording in L7 directly from the AUM screen so that I don't have to jump back and forth?

I can do it if i load L7 into AB3 then route that into AUM so that I get the AB controller tab... but is there any way I can do this without having to string together two apps? ie. trigger L7 record/play/stop from the AUM screen?

@skiphunt Midi learn and a controller via midi bindings I would of thought would be the only way as AUM doesn’t have the controller tabs like AB3. Being IAA that’s always going to be the problem till the AU version appears.

@Jumpercollins @espiegel123 the AB3 w/AUM isn't a bad one. For what I described it works pretty well actually. Once I get the loop stack that I want, I quit out and just reload the L7 app directly in AUM or apeMatrix.

I was basically just checking to see if I might be missing some setting or feature that allowed me to control it easier from within AUM only.

And, I've recently dusted off the nanoKey to update the firmware so I could just map it to that for some fun.

Gravitas

@Bon_Tempi

Here's my preset using @rs2000's file hack.

Download the file, open it up in AudioShare,
rename the extension to zip and then unzip.
Move preset from AudioShare to AUM preset section
using Files App.

Gravitas

@Bon_Tempi

I've tried two different methods.

I'll try again tomorrow if you can't access them.

Bon_Tempi

@Gravitas said:
@Bon_Tempi

Here's my preset using @rs2000's file hack.

Download the file, open it up in AudioShare,
rename the extension to zip and then unzip.
Move preset from AudioShare to AUM preset section
using Files App.

Dear Gravitas - thanks for your effort - !

But unfortunately - I cant find a link for downloading - I just see two blank squares ... where I guess the links were supposed to be - does it look different on your side?

rs2000

@Bon_Tempi said:

@Gravitas said:
@Bon_Tempi

Here's my preset using @rs2000's file hack.

Download the file, open it up in AudioShare,
rename the extension to zip and then unzip.
Move preset from AudioShare to AUM preset section
using Files App.

Dear Gravitas - thanks for your effort - !

But unfortunately - I cant find a link for downloading - I just see two blank squares ... where I guess the links were supposed to be - does it look different on your side?

These are the ones!
Open Readdle Documents or any browser that can download images as files (not Safari) and tap-hold a square to download, then rename the file and open it.

Gravitas

@Bon_Tempi

Okay try this instead.

Simply change the extension back to zip and then unzip the file.

Edit.

I'm only getting a blank square here myself so
here's a Dropbox link to the preset.

Hopefully this will be sufficient instead

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkk0ej4vxz5c8w4/Looper 7.aumproj?dl=0

Bon_Tempi

@Gravitas said:
@Bon_Tempi

Okay try this instead.

Simply change the extension back to zip and then unzip the file.

Edit.

I'm only getting a blank square here myself so
here's a Dropbox link to the preset.

Hopefully this will be sufficient instead

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkk0ej4vxz5c8w4/Looper 7.aumproj?dl=0

Yes, Thanks - Dropbox worked smoothely - will try the setup later this evening when I am back home and give feedback ...

Bon_Tempi

@rs2000 said:our side?

These are the ones!
Open Readdle Documents or any browser that can download images as files (not Safari) and tap-hold a square to download, then rename the file and open it.

Thanks for the Tipp - it worked as you described with example-AUM-project you posted yesterday - the Galileo-Rotary-setup - I was able to download, rename and open it - but the blank squares of Gravitas were still not downloadable - not even with Readdle - at least for me ) -

But the Dropbox workaround solved it ... anyway - thanks for Readdle Tipp - looks like a useful toll

Gravitas

@Bon_Tempi said:

@Gravitas said:
@Bon_Tempi

Okay try this instead.

Simply change the extension back to zip and then unzip the file.

Edit.

I'm only getting a blank square here myself so
here's a Dropbox link to the preset.

Hopefully this will be sufficient instead

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkk0ej4vxz5c8w4/Looper 7.aumproj?dl=0

Yes, Thanks - Dropbox worked smoothely - will try the setup later this evening when I am back home and give feedback ...

Cool.

rs2000

@Bon_Tempi said:

@rs2000 said:our side?

These are the ones!
Open Readdle Documents or any browser that can download images as files (not Safari) and tap-hold a square to download, then rename the file and open it.

Thanks for the Tipp - it worked as you described with example-AUM-project you posted yesterday - the Galileo-Rotary-setup - I was able to download, rename and open it - but the blank squares of Gravitas were still not downloadable - not even with Readdle - at least for me ) -

It works here.
Open the browser in Documents, tap and hold in the little blank square and choose "save image". @Gravitas has zipped the project so you first have to rename the file to end with .zip, then extract, then open in AUM.

alvescarlos

As said from the developer replying to my comments on the same question:

"We are working on AUv3 compatibility. If you’re on an iPad, for now you could use split screen and get almost the same result. Hope this helps!"

@skiphunt said:
Here's another thing I'm not getting how to set up:

Let's say I've got L7 in the fx slot of AUM and and synth in the source slot. If I want to record playing live into a loop I have to first leave the AUM screen and go to the L7 screen... hit the sample button to start the countdown... then rush back to the AUM screen to play what I'm trying to loop. If I hit A, then I have to rush back to the L7 screen to tap on the sample to stop recording.

Is there no way to activate recording and stop recording in L7 directly from the AUM screen so that I don't have to jump back and forth?

I can do it if i load L7 into AB3 then route that into AUM so that I get the AB controller tab... but is there any way I can do this without having to string together two apps? ie. trigger L7 record/play/stop from the AUM screen?

david_2017

Oh yeah! AUv3 Plugin!!! Awesome!!!