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Hammond B-3X by IK Multimedia

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  • @TimRussell said:
    Thanks @McD never thought of that!

    The hammond Xb-1 doesn’t transmit midi cc values, but NRPN which doesn’t work with any midi learn feature. Also their vib/chorus buttons have a strange logic which also needed some help from a grownup (Nic at streambyter is very generous with his help). I’ve actually re-assigned my switches and converted Perc to a conventional 4 switch hammond. I’m not sure how to send you the streambyter file through the forum, but if you send me your email address, I’ll happily share with you the file with some photos of what I’ve reassigned

  • Ah, I think the XK1 also uses NRPN. Will send a dm

  • edited March 2020

    @rhaley said:

    @ecou said:

    @rhaley said:
    I bought a hammond xb-1 for £99 on ebay and use StreamByter script to convert all the old/weird midi output to B-3x. Fabulous having real drawbars, that I found that I’m now constantly manipulating v’s ipad sliders. It doesn’t have waterfall keys though.

    £99 that is a great buy. Those old Hammond keyboard usually hold their price pretty good.

    Because all you have to do is Disable the Leslie sim and put a Ventilator and your gig ready.

    Yep, used to use a Lester K leslie sim pedal (preferred it to the vent), but as the rest if the rig is iPad based, and once you get used to the B-3x, its hard to go back :-)

    I currently have a Hammond SK1 and ventilator. It makes me very happy. I wonder how it compares to the B-3x.

    The ventilator as a great overdrive just not enough for my taste.

    If you are thinking the vent as lots of drive how much more does he need ?

    Well this much 😎😎

  • @TimRussell said:
    Ah, I think the XK1 also uses NRPN. Will send a dm

    This may be a case where a MIDI script is needed to convert NRPM value to the app's expected CC #.

    Non-Registered Parameter Number (NRPN) is part of the Musical Instrument Digital Interface (MIDI) specification for control of electronic musical instruments - it's a 14 bit value sent across as CC's 98 then 99.

    1 Control change, channel 101 for RPN, or 99 for NRPN parameter number, high order seven bits (MSB)
    2 Control change, channel 100 for RPN, or 98 for NRPN parameter number, low order seven bits (LSB)
    3 Control change, channel Controller number 6 parameter value, high order seven bits (MSB)
    4 optional Control change, channel Controller number 38 parameter value, low order seven bits (LSB)

    MIDIwrench or MIDIspy might help see what's being sent. Streambyter or Mozaic can probably provide a transformation.

  • @Ryan_IK : Might it not be a good idea to make an iRig four or five octave controller w waterfall style keys mapped to the B3x? Or even a small double keyboard made expressly for it ?

  • @Telstar5 said:
    @Ryan_IK : Might it not be a good idea to make an iRig four or five octave controller w waterfall style keys mapped to the B3x? Or even a small double keyboard made expressly for it ?

    I can't say that would be a bad idea :p but in all-seriousness, I will make sure to pass your comments along to the team.

    Sorry if this next video is slightly OT, since it's Mac/PC, but the performance is so good, it's hard not to share.

  • edited March 2020

    @Telstar5 said:
    @Ryan_IK : Might it not be a good idea to make an iRig four or five octave controller w waterfall style keys mapped to the B3x? Or even a small double keyboard made expressly for it ?

    That would be awesome.
    Yes please @Ryan_IK

    I’d be happy to beta test 😉

  • @Ryan_IK said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @Ryan_IK : Might it not be a good idea to make an iRig four or five octave controller w waterfall style keys mapped to the B3x? Or even a small double keyboard made expressly for it ?

    I can't say that would be a bad idea :p but in all-seriousness, I will make sure to pass your comments along to the team.

    Sorry if this next video is slightly OT, since it's Mac/PC, but the performance is so good, it's hard not to share.

    @Ryan_IK : Yes, it really is a good demo. I just bought the app.
    Hey while you’re submitting request I think a really good sequencer w an arpeggiator, Euclidean rhythms etc. would make sense for something like the next iOS reiteration of Sample tank

  • @Telstar5 said:
    @Ryan_IK : Yes, it really is a good demo. I just bought the app.
    Hey while you’re submitting request I think a really good sequencer w an arpeggiator, Euclidean rhythms etc. would make sense for something like the next iOS reiteration of Sample tank

    Thanks for chiming in. I'll pass your comments along, but be sure to post so your comments are in stone on the official wish list here: https://cgi.ikmultimedia.com/ikforum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19893

  • edited March 2020

    I just downloaded the desktop demo of Hammond B-3X and noticed that the drawbars only have 9 settings each...0-8 and that you can't set the drawbars between those settings. The drawbars on a real Hammond have the same numbers printed onto them but of course you can actually slide them between those numbers and in that way you don't hear the stepping. It works this way on my Hammond A100 and my Hammond SK2 as well as on VB3 and Galileo. I understand that Hammond B-3X for the iPad works the same as the desktop version and am surprised that the drawbars work this way.

  • Do you mean to say that the drawbars don’t slide (virtually) in between 0 and 9?

  • Yes, that is what I mean, @TimRussell, I just took way longer. :o

  • It's now nearer $200 (AUD) so as I have Galileo (tweaked how I need it) this puppy is staying on the shelf. And as it's iOS, no jampoints can be used :(

    I did try the demo for PC, and TBH I cannot hear (you can see the difference as the B3X is a lot easier to navigate) much of a difference really...well not enough to justify the HUGE discrepancy in price!!

  • @Howard said:
    Yes, that is what I mean, @TimRussell, I just took way longer. :o

    That can’t be right. No Hammond emulation would not allow the drawbars to be manipulated. That’s pretty much the point of a Hammond. Something must be up.

  • edited March 2020

    It definitely steps between stops in the desktop app, @TimRussell. So you can set it to 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8. but not in between and the steps are audible. The stepping is like on the Roland VK7 and VK8 emulators which isn't terrible but def audible. I would have thought that an app authorized by Hammond would be at least as granular as VB3 on my desktop or Galileo on my iPad.

  • Still not quite sure I understand what the problem is!
    So you can set a drawbar to be anywhere in between 0-9 but there is an audible jump from say, 3 to 4?
    Is that what you mean?

  • Yes, that’s it.

  • Ah. What you are describing is ratcheting drawbars which were found on most of the earlier Hammond models. They eventually changed to smooth drawbars (pretty sure the B3 was smooth).
    If you change the organ model in the app does that make a difference?

  • No difference, @TimRussell. All the models have ratcheting drawbars.

  • McDMcD
    edited April 2020

    Still $99... and that's a lot BUT it will go up soon I think.

    IK Multimedia doesn't pay me to shill for their products. But this one is truly "best in class" for an IOS app if you like classic hardware devices like the amazing B3/Leslie complex of options.

    There are cheaper ways to get a smattering of Organ sounds but to become an IOS organist... this is the ticket. You be ready for Club, Church, Stage, Stadium or home studio in a closet. Yes... the Hammond B3 with all the Leslie Speaker models in your closet.

  • do people still play organs lol like who makes old school church music 😂

  • These fine band and many more actually use lots of Hammond. So do I, but I’m not a fine musician. 😂😂

  • @reasOne said:
    do people still play organs lol like who makes old school church music 😂

    Of course they do... they just don't ever find their way here. This site sucks on a Blackberry phone
    or dial-up internet for that "You've Got Mail" AOL experience. Is there even a text-based interface for messaging?

    So, they would have the $100 but no IOS devices.

  • this is pretty rad

  • Deep Purple use Hammond organs! B) Check out their recent performance, where Jordan Rudess used Hammond B-3X on iPad as his sole organ sound.

    Check out the news on the show here. We actually released the presets from here show. Read more here.

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  • Jordan Rudess also helped me see the value of getting the whole Syntronik "enchilada" when it went on sale for 50% with his video demos and details about the engineering behind the product.

    If he would use IOS for such an important performance with an icon organ sound it must be really good.
    There's a whole page of stomp box FX'es to get that John Lord sound of a raging distorted B3.

  • @Ryan_IK said:
    Deep Purple use Hammond organs! B) Check out their recent performance, where Jordan Rudess used Hammond B-3X on iPad as his sole organ sound.

    Check out the news on the show here. We actually released the presets from here show. Read more here.

    Hey what happened to Don Airey ? I sure hope Rudess does not become their organ player and put is boring scale run all over Purple’s music.

  • Currently on sale at £74.99, am increasingly tempted to purchase...

  • McDMcD
    edited May 2020

    @TimRussell said:
    Currently on sale at £74.99, am increasingly tempted to purchase...

    I'm very happy with their implementation and all the extras. It makes you want to buy
    better MIDI controllers to keep improving the simulation. Jordan Rudess used it on an iPad for a Deep Purple performance and his presets are out there somewhere. Must check...

    OK: They installed with the version 1.3 update: JR-DP added to the name of each" "Smoke on the Water JR-DP".

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