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What do you have your buffer rate set at? If 128 try 256 or higher if need be. As rs2000 stated, that is a lot of apps open. Do you have AUM or Audiobus? They will show you your usage, I have the latest iPad Air and with Neo Soul Keys V2 I use 256 sample.
You're hitting resource limitations. Do you have another iPad or iPhone to share the load?
The iPad Mini 5 provides 3GB of application RAM.
The iPad Pro models typically have 4GB.
One of the Pro's provides 6GB, as I recall it's the 1TB storage model for $2000. Ouch.
Buying a Pro might give you instant stability for your work. Ask about a return policy at purchase.
If your "financial controller" won't authorize using money for this problem then...
I would recommend sampling your favorite sounds and running them in the AudioLayer App in AUM. But multiple AudioLayer instances might also prove to be unstable since they share a 340MB of AUv3 RAM as a limit. The SynthJacker App can sample AUv3's easily and you would need to have a way to loop back audio to sample your favorite IAA apps like Module and Thumbjam.
There are great sounds in Pure Platinum Synth that might cover your strings, horns, etc and see if it's more tolerant of neighbors than Module for example.
Trying to drop one of these apps in your sound palette might allow B-3X to be added with stability.
What did you use for Organs before the arrival of B-3X? Module? Galileo 2 with Eventide Rotary in AUM might cover the sounds you like as another option that might use less RAM and fit well in the 3GB target.
Do any users of this app know if it is mainly RAM (samples) or CPU heavy?
I have an 2018 Ipad Pro and run Neo Soul Studio 2, Pure synth, Layr, and KQ Dixie, all together via AUM with no problems. If I can reliably load and play this too concurrently, then happy days - if it needs a separate ipad, then it makes less economic sense. In reality, when playing the B-3X, Layr and Pure Synth would be midi muted,
I used Galileo 2 stock (no eventide rotary) as my previous organ app before B3-X. My problem with Galileo is that I could never get to an acceptable Hammond organ sound from any of the presets. I found them too strange or different to get anything I really liked (any help in this area would take me back to Galileo if need be). Plus I'm not a Hammond pro so getting a close sound by ear is kinda difficult to me.
I wonder if using an app such as AUM has any option that helps in lowering the load at all. I never purchased it because I didn't see the need with how I used my rig all these years. I do own Audiobus though (have never used it either).
I also have Pure Synth. I'll check the presets and see if I find something good as an alternative to Korg Module.
It's worth checking out as a potential solution. One at a time add an App into AUM and route that MIDI to the AUM destination port. Apps inside AUM must be configured to read a selected MIDI port so you'll need to adapt to that change in your requirements. Saving and loading AUM projects will be another useful benefit for your set ups. Starting all these apps might take 20-30 seconds but so does starting them as standalone I'd guess.
Korg Module, Thumbjam are IAA apps but can be loaded into an AUM project and when that project is loaded it will install your configured presets.
SunRizer and B-3X have AUv3 support and just loading that version might lower the CPU
use since AUM will be managing a lot that might typically be handed by IOS with Standalone
instances. AUv3 also force the developer to design a reduced User Interface that can run in a smaller window so maybe less GUI processing will mean less CPU resource is needed to keep the audio running. With the AUv3 option there are often additional features that get dropped.
Also, maxing out every Audio buffer setting that you can live with will lower the "context switching" required to keep every application humming along in parallel and allow an iPad
run more apps in parallel.
I wish I could play along but my iPad has 2GB of RAM and $100 after the Holidays on Apps
is a bad way to start the new year. Still... I can get "free iTunes" gift cards on Amazon using
credits. But, Mononoke... Drambo...
Wow! That video by Jim really knocks it out of the park. So that’s the vst.... how does the app differ?
It costs you $400 to really figure that out. For a $200 discount the IOS App is more than close enough, IMHO. The Mac demo is pretty damn good. It makes me realize I only like about
10% of the presets... I hate that churchy and stadium organ stuff. It's just a parody of music.
But I feel that way about most guitar rig stuff too... tremolos and crap distortions.
I saw a comment on the Keyboard Forum that said if you play a chord in the left hand and then play one in the right that the upper chord sounds duller and that's not the case in the
prior great B3 emulator (that also costs $300, I think).
Here's the deal... This Hammond B-3X emulator on IOS is a real "game changer". But the game is Hammond B3 realism. It's a niche for a very specialized market. It's like PianoTeq
being made available on IOS for $100. It's a BFD but you have to have a passion for that
complete capability and step up to the $100 entry fee. It will likely go to $150 soon and just stay there. If that sounds painful... grab it on sale. This is probably the lowest price we'll see for years.
The Hammond Company has skin in the game and doesn't need to subsidize us to get the real stuff. They still make real B3 hardware consoles. The fact that they let IK Multimedia productize the emulator for $100 is surprising. I'm sure IK Multimedia fought to intro at this price knowing how IOS users would react. We did NOT disappoint. Whiny crowd used to cheap apps.
Anyone that takes advice from me regarding money is a fool. Follow Warren Buffet's advice and just buy the S&P 500 fund with the lowest service fees.
But when it comes to spending money on apps I can shoot my mouth off with the best of them and have the credit card receipts to back it up.
My take on the B-3X preset "Whiter Shade", as suggested by @Philh0954
First B-3X, then G2, then B-3X and G2 again.
Reverbs are different so please try to ignore them...
How close do you find both? @Grobles87, @McD and other B3 lovers?
Would you accept G2 as a replacement in this case?
All comments are welcome!
You did a good job matching tones which shows the effort Yonac puts into their products.
I own every Yonac app and IAP. Big fan. The fact that they served up their catalog on Black Friday at 75% off was also a huge factor in my case. Who doesn't love a great sound at bargain prices.
G2 is seriously good enough for recording, gigging and developing your organ style chops.
But B-3X is seriously close to a perfect Hammond clone AND it runs on IOS.
I'm probably forcing myself to hear the B-3X as a better tone... the differences in Reverb
are extremely hard to ignore. I tried to just listen to the 2nd B-3X and G2 samples to come up with a fair response to the test:
I think the B-3X has a clarity of tone that is missing in the G2... the G2 sounds muddy. Chords on the B-3X would be easier to hear each note while the G2 sound get less musical, IMHO.
But I'm also the guy that loved the iLectric Rhodes over Neo Soul Rhodes for just these reasons. I like flute tones and bell sound that expose pure harmonics. I like a good sine wave when most seem to dig a saw tooth. Maybe that's useful for others. Just be advised that there are a lot of tools in the B-3X product to really grunge up these sounds with Stomp FX and Amp distortions in the Leslie Cabinets.
All this shit is so subjective.
@McD It really is a totally subjective matter, no question.
What striked me is that when turning off the FX units of both apps, they do sound surprisingly similar, and I haven't yet played much with the 16 different FX units in Galileo.
I'm sure that the main drawback of G2, so to say, isn't the sound engine but rather the factory presets which I mostly don't like either.
@rs2000 That comparison is really close! I'm surprised you were able to get such a nice sound from G2. What preset and tweaks did you use to get to that sound in G2? If I am able to have my G2 sounding like that I can keep my current rig as it is and only use B3-X sparingly.
I agree it is very subjective. Listening to that clip with a blindfold on I would not be able to tell which app is which.
.> @rs2000 said:
Great job @rs2000. I also found it hard to hear any difference. Do you have Eventides rotary app? It would be interesting to hear a side by side comparison adding that.
@Grobles87 and @Philh0954
Thanks 🤗
You'll be surprised to hear that I have used no Leslie at all.
Just a very tiny amount of chorus to get that B-3X sound.
Let me see how I can upload the patch here...
Edit: Tap on the little almost invisible icon in the middle and download it (The Readdle Documents browser works great), then rename the .png file so it ends in .zip.
Extract the zip and share the presets with G2.
Don't try with Safari, you need a more advanced browser to download the zip pretending to be a png.
Here it is:
https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/gf/g3sdz7sx3suw.png
It's showing up as a broken link. I tried it both with my android phone and my pc (tried with Firefox and Chrome).
Edit: It worked. Thanks! Now to move it into my ipad.
Try with Readdle Documents. It's free.
You can make it a clickable link by removing the embedding syntax.
Nevermind. That worked in post preview, but it tries to resolve the image link when you post.
For anybody having issues, please do let the IK Support team take a look too, at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-support if you haven't done so already.
Glad to hear folks are really enjoying Hammond B-3X on iPad (and desktop too), here's a nice example of a tune using the Hammond SKX controller:
The presets in Galileo 1&2 are mostly, for wont of a better word, shite.
Some careful tweaking will yield MUCH better results.
Same as with a lot of the presets that come with many synth apps.
In my experience it is well worth spending some time learning how a Hammond + Leslie or synth operates, and how the various controls affect things, in order to create really good sounds.
Thanks IK. So if I pop the extra money for the PC version is it going to sound better than the iPad version assuming both my iPad and PC are going through the same sound system?
I downloaded the Mac demo version and loved it so I ended up purchasing the iPad version and did a side by side comparison. I could not detect any discernible difference in quality of sound on my sound system. I do have 65 year old ears, however.
Thanks for the input... inquiring minds want to know.
Thank you for sharing this. I seem to be doing something wrong. I'm using the Documents browser from Readdle, but it does not react when I tap on the icon, small or large.
Any advice?
@rs2000 I also encountered a problem. I tried to transfer the .g2sf files into Galileo using the PC itunes file transfer option (dragging from my desktop into the window) but the presets do not show up in Galileo 2 when I open the app and browse around. Am I missing something?
@bato, @Grobles87
Try again with Safari (iOS) and tap on these Dropbox links.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2at77zi4d33abv/White09.g2pt?dl=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i74oyetr0gdhnl8/White09+Les2.g2pt?dl=1
Open in G2, choose the target bank and hit DONE.
Files imported, well done rs2000. Looking fwd to playing with these presets. Re: your demo, I doubt that in a loud rock setting whether you would hear much difference as our ears adjust very quickly. In a fairly quiet jazz setting there are some nuances in the B-3X that would be picked up but other than those of us that are very familiar with an actual B3 would the others really notice. As an example, I jam with a few guys (drum & guitars) that had toured with big name bands. Hell, they thought my Fantom X6 sounded great and love the G2. The drummer had just bought his grandson a used Yamaha digital baby grand and thought that the B3 emulation on that sounded great. A friend is the kybd tech (and runs the video screens among other things for The Who. He has also filled in for a number of concerts on kybds with them. He loved Rabbit’s B3 & Leslie, current tour consists of 3 Kronos’ and an Sk2 with vent. They use the Hammond on 1 song, crowd loves it but he longs for the old setup when Rabbit was with the. Point is hundreds of thousands did not notice nor would have cared, I bet if G2 was used no one would have noticed other than a few bar/lounge kybd players would complain that the Kronos while good did not sound the same as a real B3 even though it was a $10 app. We used to love the lounge guys as they always were buying the latest and bestest - soon as the new latest and bestest came our mngr would buy their older gear and we’d use that on the road which can be brutal on gear.
@rs2000, thanks for these presets. Any plans to do some more? Would be much appreciated...
You have one wish free 😇
Been playing with the demo on the mac for 10 days now - lovely. Then played yesterday live using my Galileo 2 and the IAP leslie. Came home and immediately pulled the trigger and bought B-3X. I had got used to its warmth and power.
Its running on an Ipad Pro 2018, in AUM with Ravenscroft 275, Neo Soul Studio 2, B-3x, Pure Platinum, and D1 and no drop outs or anything. As most of the others are sample based (High RAM and low CPU), B-3x is modelled and therefore low RAM and high CPU, and so has the headroom in my set up. Been playing all morning trying to break it - nothing. Working perfectly. Beautiful App. I used to spend way more than this when I was buying VST's, but now buying apps, I had to get out the £10 per app mindset.
Well said @rhal