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In Japan, they have something which is lacking in most of EU countries .. discipline.
UK MP has contracted the virus an ex-nurse, sounds like she had contact with quite a lot of people when she started feeling ill.
Including a lot of the government, and Boris Johnson, who famously boasted about how he was still shaking people’s hands.
Well this could get interesting.
It could, if the virus infects a majority of parliament, the Queen may ask it to form a government.
If it kills Boris Johnson I’ll buy it a pint. :-)
No politics please, because of course all loyal citizens know governance has absolutely nothing to do with the spreading of this virus.
Keep calm and wash your hands, Boris and The Donald will always put us before profit.
It’s not a political comment, just a dry report of a fairly dramatic case that could have big implications on what happens over the next few weeks. But it’s not looking good:
“ I work in parliament and developed the same symptoms as Nadine Dorries MP on the same day. I’ve had a dry cough, chest pain and fever for four days.
NHS 111 services triaged me away from Coronovirus on Friday. I could not be tested because I hadn’t been in close contact to a previously confirmed case.
The official 111 advice for me this morning – after calling again to check after hearing about Nadine Dorries MP – is to go to work with a cough, wash my hands, and assume that I don’t have it. (I am actually going to ignore that advice and work from home.)
I am worried that only testing people who have been ‘contact traced’ is missing a lot of people in the community, and that people like me may have coronavirus and are being advised to go to work anyway. Is this because the government simply can’t do the number of tests needed?”
Or hope the whole thing blows over, whilst trying to seek an economic advantage over other nations.
each to their own !
as a 'wise' man once said ... "because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know."
true dat
( despite the simplistic 'conspiracy' call out, it's an industry that rakes in billions )
“For every dollar invested in vaccination in the world’s 94 lowest-income countries, the net return is $44. Hard to argue against”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/21/coronavirus-brings-light-to-the-35-billion-vaccine-market.html?fbclid=IwAR2XOVu6xYS2zIwCtDYCF44fo70fkuoRvlaMFD1iYPJvsTwnlgcXR50wYsg
Interest rate cut, that just about leaves no more wiggle room for the BOE.
If only people would have listened and cooperated all around the world.
As I said it studied small numbers, but it’s where the evidence is leaning.
In this case it was no joke, the healthiest in the population suffered the greatest mortality.
This is a German article not meant for real of course... but they offer some wonderful delicious dishes you can go to with noodle and toiletpaper once the quarantine hits you
https://www.der-postillon.com/2020/03/corona-quarantaene.html
MMR vaccination in the UK dropped due to mis-information, now there is a big spike of mumps cases.
Hmmmmm .... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51548281
re. ‘mis-information’ .... please read up on the ‘relationship’ between journalist Brian Deer, Murdoch Media & GSK, the subsequent exoneration of co-author Prof John Walker Smith, or maybe even the original paper itself, as so few seem to have done before opining nth hand media claims
Read all the article you linked, look up herd immunity.
If you mean those who met the medical criteria for obesity or malnutrition suffered the most then you’d be correct otherwise you would be contradicting the conclusions of medical researchers.
No need, but maybe, semantics aside, read regarding the fact that Hedrich’s original coining of the term was in relation to his observations made during the Chicago measles outbreaks of early 1900’s & related to naturally acquired immunity.
Anyways, once again off topic & not wanting to be veering into hot potato territory.
Cytokine storm 18-25 year old mortality in Spanish Flu outbreak, you don’t get any healthier demographic range, check the mortality % rate.
The obese or malnourished in the 18-25 year old age range suffered more than their peers who weren’t. The point I raised initially was about the increased risk of obesity and later I referred to increased risk due to malnourishment. The paper discusses many different risk factors which people can look into for themselves by reading the article.
Most diseases target the unhealthy and usually the elderly and the young, mainly. Spanish Flu wasn’t the usual.
@knewspeak ; I'm in transit and can't reply in detail but I think there are a few important points.
One
Even if it were the case that it very occasionally happens that a viral strain were to hit people with healthy immune system particularly hard that doesn't imply that generally the state of one's immune system is irrelevant. It simply means that in some cases there may be other important factors.
Two
With this virus the data are very strong that people with compromised immune systems are particularly at risk. So, the Spanish Flu example isn't relevant.
Three
No one in virology or epidemiology thinks that healthy immune systems made those young men more susceptible. The question has been what other factors influenced their susceptibility. There are a number of factors that have been considered. One factor is that young men in 1918 had been subjected to stresses (like war) that made their immune systems less strong than they would usually be (lack of sleep, poor nutrition and high stress levels ). Another contributing factor may have been close confinement in barracks and transports (American soldiers traveled on crowded ships). Also, childhood cases of some flu strains actually makes you more susceptible to the other family of flu strains. It is now believed that a flu epidemic in the late 1890's of the opposite family of flu strains may have left people vulnerable to the Spanish Flu's family. So, having young men in close confines with already stressed immune systems and a susceptibility to the family of viruses that included the Spanish flu made created conditions that are unusual.
Finally
There seems to be a thread in some people's comments along the lines of "precaution x doesn't always work" with an implication that it does not matter if people take precaution x, but that isn't sound reasoning.
It is the equivalent reasoning as "sometimes people get killed crossing the street even if they are paying attention--so you shouldn't pay attention."
Best practices don't gurantee safety but vastly increase it.
The reason why the people in the 30-60 year old age range had lower mortality rates than younger people is because they had some cross resistance to the effects of the virus due to their immune system’s response to earlier flu viruses they’d been exposed to. Viruses simply reproduce they have no intention or mind to target with. Targeting is simply our own invention to try to humanize them on some level so it’s easier to understand what’s going on when it’s discussed in a frame of reference people are more familiar with.
Rather than go back and forth on the Spanish flu, I’d rather relate it to the topic of the thread which is positive advice for Covid-19. We now have flu vaccines, people should get them. If you should get sick from the flu to the point where you’re hospitalized you could be using up a bed that someone with Covid-19 could have used or there may not be a bed available. There’s enough people stressed out over Covid-19 that we should do what we can to reduce it by trying to prevent our own coughing.
Sections of the article discuss the effectiveness of various quarantine strategies which are relevant to how we can reduce the rate of Covid-19.
The Spanish flu has some significant differences from Covid-19 and as we learn more about it, we can follow the advice of infectious disease specialists to use this knowledge to more effectively slow its spread.
This is interesting.. This fella does his homework.. He has been in trouble many times on YouTube..
It spreads via breathing, how you going stop people doing that.
You can read about the social isolation strategies and quarantine steps that have already been taken. Go to the CDC, WHO , or your local community health’s websites for more specific details. One route for spreading the virus would be if an infected person is close enough to an uninfected person for the virus to spread from breathing or coughing. Another would be an infected person has contaminated surfaces through coughing, breathing upon or touching surfaces to transfer the virus to them. It’s a challenging problem.
A large part of the solution will rely upon people getting accurate information and deciding to follow it.
@knewspeak : what is the purpose of repeatedly pointing out that no strategy will stop the virus?
While that is true , it has been repeatedly mentioned that slowing transmission rates will have a HUGELY overall positive impact on public health.
I don't know what your intention is but it comes across as if it is discouraging people from doing what they can.
What I’m saying is as good as the public messages are, they will hardly slow down transmission, isolation is better, but what do we do, isolate healthcare workers, their children, who will replace them, because they will succumb to the virus, they’re in the frontline.