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Simple advise is provided re: electronics.
What kills viruses?
Common cleaners with either bleach or alcohol as their active ingredient inactivate infectious viruses.
Coronaviruses are fairly sensitive to most disinfectants, including bleach, hydrogen peroxide and quaternary ammonium compounds. If the label says the cleaner will kill the influenza virus or norovirus, it will work against coronaviruses, too.
“I would use disinfecting wipes because then you use the right dose of disinfectant and you usually let it dry so you get the right contact time for the disinfectant to work”.
How often should you disinfect surfaces?
Several times per day, especially frequently-touched items like a computer keyboard, phones and tablets, Fair advised.
“It’s very good practice because those are the filthiest areas in your life,” he said.
To comprehend the difficulties we face.
Type a text.
Wash hands.
Type a text to someone to get them to wash their hands.
Hours later... disinfect phones and computers.
Type text.
Wash hands.
It's really hard to contain these bugs but we can reduce the rates infections to avoid over loading the health care systems.
If we have to care for each other... yikes. Who's got those skills or the right equipment handy.
Work through the odds and you shift priorities to those most likely to survive and contribute to society. But who's got free healthcare? Insurance companies can just stall and the problem "goes away" to reduce costs.
@mcd: if you disinfect your phone or keyboard and are home and haven’t exposed them to new sources of contagion , you don’t need to constantly disinfect them. But I would take care to wash my hands before using them if my hands had been exposed to sources of contagion.
FWIW, I’ve taken to minimizing use of my phone when I am out.
Here’s a quote from Michael Osterholm an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota from this article:
There are some who have said that this virus is only transmitted from the hand to the face and that's simply not true. We have compelling data on influenza transmission, which this is just like the coronavirus in terms of ongoing transmission. And, frankly, hand washing may play some role in this, but not nearly as much as people think. It's all about the air and the air you're breathing.
He also discusses how the virus may be transmitted before people experience symptoms:
What's different here is the fact that in the cases of SARS and MERS -- and I was very involved with both outbreak investigations -- patients were most infectious on day 5 or later, and it allowed us the opportunity to identify these patients early in their illness and get them into appropriate isolation. Here, virus transmission is occurring early in illness, likely even before symptoms show up. It is very similar to influenza.
Have you tried nasal rinsing for your sinuses? I mean the proper one of in one nostril and out the other- looks a bit uncomfortable but really isn’t. If not I would recommend you look into it, it works a treat for me. Definitely worth trying. It’s only a few notes to shell out on the proper kit.
Yes only it’s more transmissible than influenza, hence the explosion in cases, that’s just the confirmed ones as well.
Thanks for the tips and yes I have tried them. It seems like it may be effective for people who have sensitivity to larger particles like pollen and dust but once my sinus cavity is inflamed from chemical vapours it just takes time to settle down.
And yet, here's a quote from an earlier article you posted:
I think I've read all I need to read confirming what I already know: My whole household need to wash hands thoroughly when they've been anywhere public, avoid sneezing and coughing individuals, and keep some distance from people who breathe (which I do anyway).
(Not said to discourage people posting useful articles. Just ... saying "hey, it's all common sense to me".)
You forgot to mention the most important aspect. Wherever possible, do not read any texts from anyone who may have contracted the virus or is sneezing or coughing! If you have, then it's best to wash your hands for at least 20 minutes, and to soak your iPhone in a mixture of 40% water, 20% bleach, 20% isopropyl alcohol, and 20% hydrogen peroxide overnight.
Avoiding touching your face with your iPhone is helpful as well. Most people recognize that this is practically impossible however.
It would probably be a good idea to follow one of the many miracle colon cleansing routines advertised on most web sites ... but only if you've been wise and are hoarding toilet paper.
And encourage people to cough into their elbow or shoulder rather than their hands!
I live in an area where community spread has started (SF Bay Area) and the guy in front of me at the grocery store coughed into his palm and then used that hand to do his transaction. Fortunately, the checker disinfected the touchpad right away and a conversation ensued among the people in the line about how to cough in public...which resulted in a few people thanking others in the line for informing them.
Another tip, keep your distance from others in lines and encourage others to do the same. A lot of people just don’t know about these things. But it makes a difference. It makes it less likely for you to be exposed to the droplets from a sneeze or cough if you are several feet away.
whut? All this time I was thinking you lived in Germany.
Hey homie!
While I agree there are some key concepts that key showing up in articles on Covid-19, I think there’s the larger problem of how can we encourage and facilitate employers and employees to not show up for work when they’re sick? How can we change how impacted businesses are run so they can modify how they’re operated so that customers will continue to patronize them?
Perhaps one example might be to reduce the problems with gatherings of people in restaurants by offering delivery out rather than dining in? The devil would be in the details for such plans, but if there’s an extended period of time during which we’re contending with Covid-19, it would seem wise to develop viable alternative business practices. Attempts to alleviate impacts upon people’s ability to put food on the table and to secure their housing would presumably lead to more engagement with community health guidelines too.
Perfect. I need to use that strategy to stop bringing bugs home. I have to go out tomorrow and I should think carefully.
Does wearing gloves and washing them sound like a good strategy. I need a sterile face scratcher... I've been using a pen and
I wash/sterilize it frequently.
I gotta be honest - this was a beautifully worded post. I don't always get on with your style of humor, but this is thoughtful, studied and spot on. Thanks for posting this, Ian.
Germany here... I fear in a few days we will actually break through the magic threshold when the storm breaks loose.
We had almost 300 new cases today. Oh shoot...
https://coronavirus.app
My face touching strategy is: before I get out of the car, use some Purell. Scratch any itches. Keep my hands in my pockets or with something in them to reduce likelihood that I’ll touch my face reflexively, use sanitizer when I get back in the car and scratch if I must.
Are there alternatives to Purell like hand lotions with alcohol mixed in? Does anyone have an ideas about homemade options
to portably sterizlize. The shelves are going empty for the real deal.
You can make your own with rubbing alcohol and aloe vera gel. I saw that on one of the articles someone linked earlier.
For now, resupply to stores seems to be smooth in the SF Bay Area at least. My son works at Walmart, and every day the toilet paper aisle completely empties and all the hand sanitizer and rubbing alcohol is gone before the end of the day, but they restock each day. He doesn't have any idea of the supply pipeline, but so far hasn't heard anything to indicate it's in danger of failing. I suppose sooner or later that demand is likely to go down as more people stock up. Well - for toilet paper anyway, as consumption isn't going to go up, so people won't be restocking for some time. Sanitizing stuff will have increased usage, so that's a bit different.
The biggest gambler of all is in charge of the US now. Who knows what’s crossing his mind? Maybe letting the system crash has some potential for personal gains? If so, why not be reckless with Covid and let it in? > @MonzoPro said:
Sourkraut DIY is supposed to be super good for that. I’ve seen my mother making it hundreds of times, easy enough for anyone...and cheap!
What makes Purell special? I temporarily worked in a hospital's IT department and non-Purell brands were banned and confiscated. I had generic drugstore hand sanitizer and a nurse took it and admonished me for using it. They usually had lots of Purell they gave away for free, but none that day.
Rubbing alcohol and aloe vera mixed make a homemade sanitizer. My wife was about a week ahead of the rest of the Bay in buying a couple extra bottles - a week later the shelves were bare.
Even if the active ingredient (Ethyl alcohol 70%) are the same between the CVS brand and Purell? Expiration dates the same? I did read something about bacteria buildup on old bar soap, but don't know if it applies to expired hand sanitizer using ethyl alcohol. Also now every public place has those Purell dispensers everywhere.
I could see a Hospital signing an exclusive contract for better pricing and not-purely could violate and allow price increase
if they audit the site. Big retailers sign contracts for exclusive or preferred shelf space to negotiate lower prices too.
GENERAL SANITIZERS TIP:
If coronavirus is your main concern, make sure you select a hand sanitizer with at least 60 percent alcohol content, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
So, that 60% content is helpful for the homemade potions too.
That's what I feared. Floor nurses have to deal with enforcing their employer's business contracts? Don't they have more important things to think about?
You left out this part of my quote:
Back to topic...
Btw, I was reading an article on Sunday about making sanitizer with isopropyl alcohol (or 190 or higher proof ethanol) and aloe vera gel and it was recommended that you aim for 70% or greater final content rather than 60% or greater to err on the safe side. It is worth looking online for a recipe on a reliable site for public health for directions to make sure one doesn't make a dilution error.
It's telling that a hospital's technical equipment usually have white or light-colored touch interfaces, but a lot of their computer keyboards are black. It's much more difficult to see debris like human blood on a black keyboard.
Somebody posted something earlier about fat nanoparticles and the virus, here's a relevant tweet series