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Cheers thanks you stay well too.
@david_2017 : discussion of that video probably belongs in that other thread. There is a lot one could say about it, but this thread doesn't seem like the right place for a debate about debunking a conspiracy theory.
The WHO while not infallible is worth considering, The WHO when it recommends something will also cite data.
But sure it is worth looking to see if other reliable sources and your physician agree.
In this case, since there is an equally effective fever-reducer that doesn't seem to have associated risk, it seems like it makes sense to err on the side of caution.
If you have a good doctor that stays current with the research , ask her/him.
Here's my current thinking.
For me catching it is not a matter of If It's when.
So I'm alert to symptoms and any advice about symptoms.
I have some slight body aches and slept with a 1-2 degree fever last night. 2 weeks ago I had a meeting
in a large city at a Federal Courthouse. I have been isolating ever since and will do so for several weeks to
avoid tagging another round of early infected.
So, I'm acting as if I have it and self-isolating. Part of me wants to get this behind me and see how my
body manages the virus.
If I do develop serious complications I'll follow the advice of my medical plan management. Roughly 98 of 100 will pass through without dying. If most can do that over several months without pushing the 1-2% into crisis without resources to assist we'll see the best outcome.
We can't stay in lock down for months, IMHO. There's no safety net to allow for a permanent fire drill.
Thanks for the headsup. I try to reduce my SARS information consume to a minimum so i don’t really do that much social media. I never checked the other thread though
Take care, wash those hands and from time to time sanitize the smartphone
.. and stay away from other people
I’ve had a loss of appetite for the past few days, Monday I couldn’t finish dinner, yesterday couldn’t have breakfast, and Monday night felt exceedingly dizzy with a non-focused headache (headaches are rare for me) and as though I was going to be sick. I’ve had sporadic sleep patterns since before the weekend.
No cough or any of the main symptoms, though, so it could be something that I would’ve caught this time of year anyway.
Of course we can, according to Jamiroquai, “for we all live underground”.
(Why am I quoting Jamiroquai, I can’t stand the chap)
Just finished reading this and immediately thought of everyone here.
It may be comforting. It may not be. Depends on your presuppositions, I guess.
Don't think it's been posted here. Apologies if it has.
I hope it helps you navigate the reality in which we all find ourselves.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
Probably more suited for the vent thread.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/37643/ot-vent-about-global-pandemic-management-here#latest
I went back and forth about which thread but it's scientific analysis from Prof. of Epidemiology at Stanford. A reasoned analysis that I found strangely comforting. I'll post in the other thread to be safe. Thanks.
For me, this video just points out how complacent people have been in terms of not doing > @McD said:
I would not be in a rush to take my chances getting this virus as they still don’t know what the long term effects of getting the virus will be. People keep thinking of it in terms of the flu they’re familiar with when there isn’t the same level of knowledge about it. It’s new, it’s novel— Covid-19.
As the situation evolves and more is known, they can consider and refine approaches to managing the Covid-19 response.
I would urge people to limit their comments in this thread to helpful advice and use the rant thread for other thoughts, ideas, and responses.
Let’s take care that we don’t provide medical advice either— that’s why we see doctors.
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That is cool @JohnnyGoodyear. Thanks, mate.
I'm hearing that 2 weeks is typical so tomorrow is 2 weeks to the day for me. So, I suspect I'm not infected yet because I feel too good. I'm just not getting enough exercise and my allergies are at fault.
My wide is the canary in the coal mine with pulmonary issues and she also has some slight symptoms but
nothing in her lungs... just localized aches and pains... occasional low level fevers.
I have tried to get her to accept the possibility she could survive the virus and she's NOT on board. Show symptoms and she's sure that's it. So, I'm glad I'm crossing the 14 day line without confirmation.
The biological issue that kills you is Hypoxia:
It seems like procedures to add O2 to the blood system of those at risk is key... maybe ECMO:
Increasing the capacity of hospitals and facilities will not work... containment and mitigation is the only effective tool at this time.
The lack of facilities and capacity will be blamed but authoritarian counties are in a better position to mandate compliance.
‘Rome, 13 March 19:12 - (Agenzia Nova) - There may be only two people who died from coronavirus in Italy, who did not present other pathologies. This is what emerges from the medical records examined so far by the Higher Institute of Health, according to what was reported by the President of the Institute, Silvio Brusaferro, during the press conference held today at the Civil Protection in Rome. "Positive deceased patients have an average of over 80 years - 80.3 to be exact - and are essentially predominantly male," said Brusaferro. "Women are 25.8 percent. The average age of the deceased is significantly higher than the other positive ones. The age groups over 70 years, with a peak between 80 and 89 years. The majority of these people are carriers of chronic diseases. Only two people were not presently carriers of diseases ", but even in these two cases, the examination of the files is not concluded and therefore, causes of death different from Covid-19 could emerge. The president of the ISS has specified that "little more than a hundred medical records" have so far come from hospitals throughout Italy.’ https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.agenzianova.com/a/5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954/2851060/2020-03-13/coronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due
@Paul16 Thanks for sharing mate. Really interesting.
👍🏽
‘The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
While data released Tuesday point to a slowdown in the increase of cases, with a 12.6% rise, a separate study shows Italy could be underestimating the real number of cases by testing only patients presenting symptoms.
According to the GIMBE Foundation, about 100,000 Italians have contracted the virus, daily Il Sole 24 Ore reported. That would bring back the country’s death rate closer to the global average of about 2%.’
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR2YH_5MMoyBLTsJA1HmYErlqmgtnLyhRF3e96AnWHLVF888Z-uEXuhAugA
Hmmm now it would be interesting to get the numbers of last years wave of flu in Italy and the corresponding deaths resulting out of it.
@Paul16 this is true for Italy, but we haven’t reached the exponential peak of infections yet, already the healthcare system is under extreme strain, in other countries under health conditions of citizens vary, chronic obesity, malnutrition etc, so the fatalities may vary from region to region.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-virologist-urges-world-leaders-to-calm-public-slams-unnecessary-panic/?fbclid=IwAR3yoASbMFTqlIar9gvNM0_OIHNucjVUXDLeCKnZ6-yDdqgGrAhE1-6Gf70
https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/?fbclid=IwAR2s_XnXseRFcfquEyjB66mRgJ_g22TmzpyyjS_695ayA_zvwWhvmtrQfIs
@david_2017 @Paul16
Discussion of the video posted above belongs in the other thread.
This thread was started to share practical fact-based best-practices for dealing with the epidemic.
This video is controversial at best and discussion of it is best in the other thread so that people that are just looking to stay safe can find reliable information here (preferably with citations)
My advice: stay calm and stay home.
The precaution is essential, but the panic is not necessary. For me, this has meant more walks in the woods and time in the garden. Spend time stopping to chat with fellow hikers and neighbors, maybe even more than I normally would. But I’m just keeping a bit more physical distance compared to usual.
Its not the end of the world, but it is absolutely affecting the whole world. The more careful we are, the better we will be able to get thru this.
Sorry wrong thread
Interesting to read about Italy above.
Does anyone know- what is the actual number of deaths to date - not projected or expected - theorised or risk assessed (specific to any other country or all countries) for people who have died with the Corona Virus but who had NO underlying predisposing conditions or contra indications.
9.819
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
There are a few sites with reliable data. Keep in mind that what "cases" means is positive tests -- if you read the Medium article I linked to earlier, you will also know that how positive tests correlates to actual cases is highly variable and depends on how widespread testing is. We know that in the U.S. that there are FAR more actual cases than positive tests because of how little testing we have had.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
The worldometers site now seems to have pretty accurate figures -- it uses some a.i. to pull the data from public sites. There were some glitches early that seem to have been worked out and the numbers seem to tally with the Johns Hopkins site.
On the worldometers site, you can also look at the stats (with various graphic representations) by country.
I cannot see the answer to my question here. I can see total cases, total recoveries and total deaths.
I cannot see total deaths without comorbidity.