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The President is Commander In Chief of the armed forces. So, he does control the military. Sadly, we have seen that by-and-large the military will obey the chain of command. They are literally trained to obey orders even if they disagree with them -- and you don't rise high in the U.S. military if you have a strongly independent streak. Trump tapped a historically large number of generals for civilian positions in his administration -- while many of them are now gone -- and are known to disagree with Trump on many things -- none were disobedient.
It remains a hot topic among people I follow that are open about believing that Trump is a threat to democracy -- as to whether their colleagues would follow orders if Trump tries to use the military in some way to stay in power.
So basically a choice of siding with the people or the person, that person being the CiC.
Legally, they don't have a choice
and if you know folks in the U.S. armed forces, they lean very strongly towards people that believe in maintaining order and the exceptionality of the U.S. govt (though there are certainly some -- though only a minority, I fear -- that are GOP/Trump skeptical). I have no doubt that the GOP brain-trust is thinking through military-friendly justifications for undermining the election if it is at all close.
Well, if it had been Obama who had done and said the things Donnie has, I'm guessing the military would have already taken him out...
Check that. I'm absolutely certain they would have already taken him out.
If not them, the CIA/FBI would have.
When the CiC took his inverted Bible across the block a few weeks ago he had one of his closest Military staff in a spin, declaring a state of emergency, civil unrest during a contested election, I don’t think many Military leaders would want to have anything to do with that, hence why he wants the Supreme Court in his grasp.
Just everyone is clear the pandemic here in America was and continues to be DELIBERATELY mismanaged because Trump wanted it to wash over the country. Even though he knew how it was transmitted, who it affected, and how deadly it was.
IMPORTANT Twitter thread
TRUMPISM is FASCISM
Fascism destroys the truth and access to it except through “dear leader”
This is how and why we have 203,000 dead and 7 million infected
please read, please.
First two excepts then the link
I would be careful about going too far with your condescension. If you are going to judge countries based on what has happened since WWI, Germany's actions from 1933 till the end of World War II land it on a different scale of bad from the horribly racist actions of the U.S. government during that period.
I think one of the main obstacles to trump seizing power is trump himself, his position is nowhere near as strong as he believes and consequently he may overplay his hand. If he fumbles, overcompensates and as a consequence meets more resistance than anticipated, he may lose the support amongst the membership of the council for national policy, (main group who bought trump to power), and all the associated well organised and funded groups and think-tanks. Only way I can see him keeping support of the c.n.p if he fecks up, is if the crazy religious zealots and the far-far right of its membership are holding court, as they be chaos merchants.
If he loses their support, republicans will be ordered to start impeachment proceedings, he’ll be jettisoned and president pence, their main boy will be installed. Maybe this is their plan, can’t win as is, due to lack of support at the ballot box, encourage trump to cause chaos, take control of the branches of government and supreme court, then make a big song and dance of removing trump in the ensuing chaos and installing pence, pence has even less popular support then trump so a non election victory is the way to go, take the moral high ground in the public’s mind restoring order and the rule of law, superficially of course, poo poo establishment dems for being weak, who as per usual will be blindsided.
Trumps cult of personality is dependent on the exceptionally wealthy people behind him, they pull the plug, then he can kiss goodbye to the vast army of youtube grifters, a.i and deep learning bots manipulating public opinion and discourse on social media, nearly the whole of the religious wing of his base, q-anon and other psy-op groups, main stream media talking heads on the right etc. Also his style of leadership doesn’t endear him to many people as he likes to ritually humiliate people on their way out the door, look what he did to comey, mccabe and mueller, not sure how much loyalty he’ll have with the fbi loyalists after that. Hard to know which way this will all go as things aren’t what they seem, sides not as clearly delineated as they look now.
Well, you make a big deal about bad actions by the U.S. in 1944 and every American flaw, and I have never once seen you criticize Germany or admit that it’s recent good governance was imposed on it due to Germany having been a bad actor of historic proportions.
So strange hearing you say how bad a 1944 Supreme Court case was (and yes it was bad) and yet when it is pointed out that in that time period the German government was acting orders of magnitude worse you deflect with some quip.
I am no apologist for the U.S. its history of racism is terrible. Let’s not pretend that Germany is historically better.
Scum is as scum does:
@max23. You’re going a bit over the edge, IMO. Not for your observation about the US, but for your lack of comraderie in your response. If I unloaded here about how goddamn awful Germany and the Germans were during the war you might take umbrage at how I might put it. It’s the same everywhere. If you’re a different nationality, religion from those you upbraid it’s always risky business. Your responses, IMO, and baiting with “childish games” bs is no way to act with equanimity toward your friends on the forum.
And, yes, I agree with @espiegel123, you, of all people, should not deflect your own tarnished national history with silence (Ypres... hmm, that was pretty bad). I would expect you to utilize the same honesty you evoke when speaking about the US. It’s pretty easy to say, yeah, we fucked up, too. And, I agree, I have never heard you once disparage Germany as vociferously as you polemicise about the US.
But I do value you and agree with a lot of what you say. Maybe just self reflect a little.
Actually, I don’t have a problem acknowledging America’s horrendous history of racism.
I have acknowledged it in most of my comments to you. And in numerous other posts talking about the evils of structural racism which continue to this day.
You have never once acknowledged Germany’s even more horrendous past...even when critiquing U.S.policy. This leaves the impression that you feel Germany is somehow inherently superior and that it’s evil deeds can be forgiven even if other nations actions from the same period can’t.
This is so not surprising and I am really glad it has finally been exposed. Now let's see whether it makes any damn difference though....
I imagine Trump-tolerant Americans will think “I wish I was smart enough not to pay taxes and get away with it.” In my opinion, anyone that stuck with Trump after “let’s take babies and children from their asylum-seeking parents and lock them in inhumane conditions to discourage other brown people from coming here” probably give Trump a pass on being the tax scammer we knew he was.
Yeah @espiegel123 it's very hard at this point to see people who have been in denial allready for years about how bad he is letting this affect their opinion of him. Its very saddening and bewildering to me.
@Max23, I don’t care what you are, @Max23. I’ve only looked on you with respect. I guess a little self reflection is out of the question. You are having a bad day, my friend.
I suspect it feels a bit like your average American feels about paying for the sins of slavery.
That was NOT your generation. It's a natural reaction.
I do hate to see good people locked in a war of historical perspectives and identity politics when they
probably agree on 98% of their world view but that nagging %2 just won't go away.
This is similar to the way many middle easterners fed when they are repeatedly asked to condemn
some fine terrorist group to the point of asking forgiveness. Then it becomes obvious that there's
blame associated with the request for an admission of guilt that just doesn't sit well with the average
Muslim. And so it escalates. It's a cycle of identity morality.
Trump recently took shots at the History books of Howard Zinn so I immediately bought one and damn.
The inhereted guilt of US History is beyond description and I'm not even into the 1700's. Of course, it starts
with the colonial conquests from europe. There are no remedies for such injustices and abuses of power.
Guns, germs and steel.
I wouldn’t worry about leaving NATO, Max.
Trump has been working his way out of it since day one in office. If he manages to stay in power, it will be a done deal.
He despises cooperation with Europe and the rest of the world’s “weak shithole countries.”
His friends are strong men: Dictators, despicables, and totalitarian despots.
You have nothing to worry about — just yet...
I don't think he actually has friendships. He just sees people he can use or benefit from...
Putin's "approved" oligarchs have slipped j=him millions to sustain his businesses: overpaying by
$60M for a property in Florida and buying whole floors of his "Towers". So he's insuring Putin
sees him as a useful idiot and thinks he's "winning".
He liked Kim Jong Un because he thought he might get him to build some Hotels on beachfronts and
license Trump branding. He likes doing deals with men that will pay for access, infliuence and the benefits
of his "Brand". Unfortunately, his brand is the "word" of the US Government. Only a fool would think it's
worth a long term investment. The cards are starting to fall.
He humiliates members of his own family like his father did and only Ivanka has learned to play him at this
game. Jared gets a pass as her husband but I'm sure it's a tenuous relationship that could flip on one piece
of bad news that reflects on the boss.
The NYC legal system is going to take him and his empire apart. Now they have the records... probably
the boxes of financial records Mary turned over to the NY Times but maybe Deutsche Bank actually responded to a subpoena... finally.
They're are starting with the "boys". They are supposed to be officially running the business... but
I repeat. He has no friends... you trust friends. Minions run on pure fear. The often flip when the benefits
stop. There's no true loyalty to a megalomaniac unless you're mentally ill.
@Max23, I thought we were talking about history and how you characterized it. Actually, I finally rid myself of the historical prejudice I had towards Germany. It took the pandemic and Germany's benevolent actions to show me the way. That and a little self reflection.
Well, sadly the vision I see is NATO at the mercy of a new world order where Putin plays Hitler, Xi Jinping is Hirohito, and Donnie is lap dog Mussolini. Putin an Xi get the spoils and Dumbass Donnie sacrifices hundred of millions of Americans for an attaboy pat on the head.
Such a good boy, Donnie!
Very good boy!
Here is some more gas to the fire .Democrats are the party of Slavery look it up . Obama is new world order and Bush and Clinton With the rest of the globalists who want a one world system . Trump is not part of their circle of friends . Trump is a Christian and so is Pence ,that’s probably why some are so hateful towards them I get it . A lot of people are pretty mean in this thread including myself by remarks I have made . But Biden is a straight up pedophile . LOL 😂 I am not that great at writing my thoughts on forums I’d rather have conversations in person . But I just wanted to get some of this out here . I’m not an asshole as I don’t think most of you are either. The democrats are the communist party in America and literally want to fundamentally change and upend our constitution. Who are the ones who are terrorizing people with fear and burning down the system ? America is not and never was perfect . As with all government they suck but it’s been one of the better ones for those who live here and even though there is racism people really were more together than ever before in our history . The powers that be want to divide us so the can conquer us . same old shit .
So we may differ on world views but hopefully we can wake up to how they play us off each other . Because when we sit around and talk about simpler times like when Audiobus came out and we were all united it was a great time in history . And now we have AUM and audio units and here we go again all divided 😂 . Love y’all try to be nice when you tear me a new asshole this time . And when is that 909 coming out from AudioKit cause that seems dope to me . Peace ✌️