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I think you saying you want me to post more on this thread? No problem.
Really badly here in the uk although they’re taking it more seriously now with mandatory masks and local lockdowns. Just too little too late.
Still, Boris is like Trump’s weird little brother that was dropped on his head when he was a kid.
It's not really bad in the UK. There were ten more COVID-19 associated deaths reported, in English hospitals, yesterday:
Age Breakdown –
0 – 19: 0
20 – 39: 0
40 – 59: 0
60 – 79: 6
80+: 4
Average age of death in the UK is 81 years old. About 1600 people die each day of all causes.
Societal Damage from Bad Science, not the Virus? Why are they doing this?
You’re clearly an intelligent guy Mark B and it’s good to have differing opinions around. However, as most have said I basically disagree with your entire viewpoint so I’m not going to engage in a pointless debate.
How’s Blade doing these days?
I want to use my 2nd amendment rights to shoot any MF'er that comes up to be without a mask. Does that make me a bad person or just paranoid or WTF? Prison is a terrible place to hang out waiting for a vaccine, right? OK. I'll just stay in doors. Do they ship guns using Amazon? Walmart? I'm not so sure we should have any guns in the house. Things can get heated over the littlest things... like staying up all might playing guitar and sleeping all day. If I get 8 hours, it's good right?
I would say you need to calm down. As your president has just told you "Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life"
@Mark B so why is there no increase in mortality rates from people wearing the deadly masks? According to your chosen science there should be no second wave and given the spike in mortality in May and June, the vast majority of people who were vulnerable to any virus have already lost their lives so therefore there should be less people susceptible to the virus now. So therefore the mortality rate should be incredibly low, not average or above average and most definitely not a sharp increase. BTW the vulnerable in Cornwall were staying in to protect themselves from the super-spreaders who came from all over the country to return home and probably spread it there. Any false positives should be born out across every region in the UK and also across the world, we see regional variations though, this is not down purely to population density.
That President calmed down and rushed to hospital, surrounded by the best medical care money could buy. If that’s calm....
I've never said they are deadly, just that they don't provide protection. And they give people a false sense of security where social distancing and hand washing are more effective.
Some more mask info:
So where’s the maskdemic they’re so deadly people should be dropping like flies. Across Asia we should see this effect?
The epidemic has followed exactly the same curve in country's that have mandated masks and in those that haven't.
@Mark B , of course you can post and say anything you want, so long as it is civil and respectful, which you seem to do. Unlike @McD, I find you harmless in the particular. However, I won’t read articles you post because you had your opportunity to convince me and you failed at it. And that is ultimately the problem for people who want to deny our commonly held reality and replace it with a Rube Goldberg contraption of gizmos and gimcracks.
Trump is simply not changing any minds, except to vote against him. The average of polls is demonstrating that. This is not a country of homogeneous minds. Too many people still think for themselves. The particulars of Trump’s corruptions keep adding up. It is hard to deny the mountain of evidence, such as his taxes.... which he never wanted revealed. And why? Because they show him either to be guilty of criminal fraud or Of being an incredibly bad businessman.... a loser. Reasonable people discern a person’s character and motivation by their actions and words.
Fortunately, for us, Trump is a low level entrepreneur of ideas. His inability to stop his mouth betrays him and shows how dangerous he is. More and more people are seeing that as his flailing and desperation grows. Of course, he, and his more rabid (and threatened) supporters, will do everything they can to cheat. As the greatest conman in the history of the republic says, we’ll have to see what happens... and vote..
Here's the new communications game for the authoritarian to make facts irrelevant when presented
as news:
This kind of wildly inconsistent messaging pollutes the information space and trains people to expect conflicting stories and that the truth is actually unknowable.
This "debate" over masks is a symptom of this trend. There is no controversy over the use of masks
as a potential method of limiting viral transmissions of airborne viruses. If everyone had and used masks
the deaths would plummet as they have in many other countries.
You have a role in this process. The media has a role and the leaders we choose set the tone for
reversing the pollution of the information space. When you see consistent, persistent efforts to push
false narratives or even contradictory messages discount the messenger and use the ignore feature here. Without feedback they will find a more fertile venue for this disinformation campaign. It's a form of
information troll and they are everywhere. We have a plague of trolls driven by clicks, attention and
the ability to attract followers.
We are better than this. We have a highly educated population and are not a 3rd world country.
Don't fall prey to this manipulation.
So according to you masks have no effect, either way, so what is the harm in wearing it?
Because if you believe that wearing masks is crazy and the virus is nothing you are suffering from the Rose Garden effect.
@McD well said, that's exactly the strategy at play here
I'm sure you've seen this, but for anyone who hasn't, it lays a lot of the current way of things bare.
I know that we haven't agreed on much in the past but that trend stops right here right now because I completely agree with you about the usefulness of face mask. the mathematicians have done their homework and the numbers are in there is absolutely not one shred of evidence that face mask no matter what the grade, not N95 mask, not even full military grade gas mask, and a hazmat suits can protect anyone of any age, gender, or background from the lies that President Trump tells to the American people on a daily basis.
If you don't argue with them... they go away. They cannot stand to be ignored and they rarely
are so it's addictive behavior for them. We learn not to reward negative behavior in children
because it reinforces it. Let's consider the issue of masks settled and not try to fix one guy that
has his own take. (Now a 2nd guy will show up).
There are huge areas of public heath that cannot survive this misinformation climate. We must
recognize the con and isolate the bad actors to change the environment.
It is censorship? No. It's judgement. If someone repeatedly pushes flawed thinking as rational analysis
tune that shit out and don't ask for more data in an effort to expose their lack of analysis. They
will play you like a cat chasing an LED dot. They use our curiosity and tendency to debate to pollute the
environment.
When @LinearLineman writes: "you can post and say anything you want, so long as it is civil and respectful, which you seem to do." He's being civil but there's a point where something essential is lost.
When is authority valued and when can we put irrelevant questions aside that only serve to create
more deaths and stress the system to contain this mother fucking virus. Herd immunity does not
get us to the end without breaking the healthcare system. There's no path to containment using that logic without ~0.01% dead. And that is a big number in the smallest of countries. Acceptable losses
to maintain economic activity? But what if these viruses show up 2 times per decade. We must buy time
to contain them until we have the tools to reverse engineer their biological machinery.
Masks buy us more time. Saying they don't matter just can't stand up to careful scrutiny. Ignore.
Move on.
@McD, as I wrote, I will no longer read Mark’s posts. Frankly, you are preaching to the choir here, I think. Perhaps you should bring the fight to websites that are not so unevenly matched. I don't think you will do that, but maybe I’m wrong.
Huge fan of this and all of Adam Curtis's work. This is who the conspiracy theorists should be watching, he's bang on the money.
Because you are playing along with the governments fear propaganda. There is another way.
No it hasn't. South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Vietnam would like to disagree.
Already discussed. SE Asia is different for some reason. Most likely a high level of existing cross immunity.
evidence and sources please
Please don’t hold your breath waiting.
other than speculation I'm sure they don't exist since I'm in Asia and that is not at all a major consideration for why things are going better here.
Use the force?
Nice bit of handwaving there...