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there's no need to silence anyone or their message, that's not the protocol of this thread, and there is definitely no reason to silence a message when it's not rooted in truth or reality... let the fantasy be seen and let the aspirations of those who would trade reality for fantasy be on display as these ideologies are the best representations of themselves... this is a very special time not only in this nations history but in world history, it's important to never lose sight that notions like these absolutely exist and that the people don't ever forget it.
Stephen Miller is now at least the 19th member of Trump's inner circle to test positive for the virus, including the president and first lady, who announced their positive result early on Friday.
“Heard Mentality” fast at work!
Gosh! Nobody saw this mask less “October Surprise” coming!!!! 🙄
Just in case no one has posted it yet, the CDC provides a page with links to recent scientific studies that conclude that wearing a mask could reduce the risk of coronavirus transmission.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
Following good science and statistical analysis procedures, no conclusions are made that masks prevent transmission of the virus as there is no empirical evidence that this is a certainty. The evidence suggests that they may prevent transmission, so that is how it is presented.
However, if wearing a mask could possibly reduce the chance of transmission (even if there is no certainty) of a potentially deadly disease, why the hell would anyone argue against it?
The "lies and disinformation" I'm apparently spreading is growing nicely.
https://gbdeclaration.org
The counter argument is one word. Sweden
The rest of the worlds attempt at zero covid has been a disaster.
Front page of the daily mail today.
What a declaration, truly scientific, daily mail, it will be Snowmageddon next week, right wing BS.
Oh yeah, the newspaper that supported Hitler, lol.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-britains-nazi-loving-press-baron-made-the-case-for-hitler/
Oh praise god!!! At last the scientists have finally seen the light!!!!
@Mark B i’m quite confused. what exactly is your aim?
What would you prefer the response to covid be? I mean, if lockdowns and masks dont contribute to the spread (which perhaps you disagree with, i dont know), then what is the point of fighting so much against them? If considering all the options on the table of how to address this issue, what exactly do you want the hardest hit countries to do?
Yes, anyone can sign that BS declaration, even Dr Donald Duck, amongst other quacks.
Sweden? Herd immunity?
Cases are rising in Sweden. There is no evidence that enough people have contracted it in Sweden for there to be herd immunity.
Don't you dare call Dictator Donnie "Dr. Donald Duck!"
That guy knows more about everything that has ever existed in the the history of the planet than anybody who has ever existed on the planet — EVER!!!! 😉
All these people love using Sweden as the model, so are these very same people going to model their society’s on Sweden’s.
Sweden all cause mortality over the last 30 years. The year with the deadly pandemic is obvious isn't it?
I don't have any aims, just opinions. It should be obvious by now that lockdowns are a failed strategy and we have to build community immunity. That will not be achieved by a vaccine alone.
Don't like either but 2020 newspaper print circulation
Daily Mail 1,134,184
The Guardian 126,879
Only another 50 million to go.....
No we don’t. You are wrong. Herd immunity is an unviable plan. Any number of public health officials and virologists have said so. Your opinions are more contrarian than anything else. I don’t know what your game is, but it feels like propaganda and smells nefarious.
Just my opinion.
see thats precisely the problem. you question the data, and the experience of others as suspect, but provide no alternatives for how to combat the pandemic other than sit on our hands and wait. This is the peak of apathy since you’re basically saying “even though there are countless things we can do to try and save lives, I’d prefer we do nothing.” meanwhile people are dying. not just more people than average, not just more or less than another country, but just people are dying. Dying because people like you think that anything short of a 100% cure isn’t good enough.
So pure sweden data doesnt mean much. their death count is only 5000. depending on how you look at that and what you compare it to, its a little or a lot. its a little compared to the US, but a lot when you consider that its 5000 lives that did not need to die due to this pandemic. If you have some better alternative, great, would love to hear it...but if your only stance is “the data doesnt convince me that what we’re trying is working or not” you’re still sitting back playing games with peoples lives.
Consider it like this....we fight cancer using methods that are not always guaranteed to work. we have no cure. the process of fighting the diseases can be tragic and painful...but until we find better ways, we use the methods available to us, and those methods save lives. If we had better options, we’d use them, but for now this is what we have. social distancing, masks, better hygiene.
Absolute nonsense. And you are confusing me with someone who has any power over this. I've already shown the strategy that experts have laid out the other day. There is no 100% cure for this and very likely there won't ever be. We need to learn to live with it without further destruction of our economy and society.
he key to improving the situation is cooperation. there is no secret. we all have power. The reason we’re enjoying mxostly a normal life again in japan is because people are following the rules. the resturants, live venues, and hotels are following the rules. I can go shopping at a supermarket on any given day and 99% of the people are wearing masks. its not about the herds immunity, its about the herds cooperation. its no wonder why the countries who lack that cooperation, and leadership are the worst hit. its also no mystery why the leaders of those nations have also contracted the illness as well.
Yes, those Japanese face masks are amazing. Pity they don't work so well outside of Asia.
Don’t listen to James o Bryan on LBC right now if you actually like thinking, it’ll probably trigger some sort of ‘free thinking embolism’
~~~@Mark B said:
no its just a pity that such a non-issue is stopping so many people from being reasonable. if masks were as bad as people say, then the last 100 years since the spanish flu, japan would have been proof that masks are trouble..but they’re not. its obvious here that your persistence isn’t based in any logic or purpose other than to say “i dont know the facts, but i dont believe the facts i’ve been given”. i dont know you personally, but this type of endless baseless speculation is literally killing people. I’d appeal to that, but i dont think you care about how many people are actually dying.
its such a shame.
Here in the (UK) we’re governed by the same type of Donkeys the likes of which marched thousands off, to be slaughtered in the fields of France, little over a century ago. At least in Sweden they apologised for their negligence, has my government-NO or that nutter in the States-NO.