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Not passing the buck. You make nob head comments all the time and I don’t come diving in to call you names. Ok you hate my politics and I hate yours. We can sit here and call each other names all day long and nothing will change. If you really want me to comment on every political comment you make and call you names? Yeah sure you don’t care while you are in the little echo chamber of this thread - I don’t care enough to do it either.
People all around the world are still building walls, cutting themselves off, very similar issues raised during ‘Brexit’ yet failing to see they really are discussing the negative consequences of globalisation. But globalisation has good points too, which could be of great help in our current predicament.
I, personally, think this thread should close. No more real use here, especially as things get uglier. Let the positive thread carry on for our Covid needs.
The far right ‘fatberg of hate’ is making its presence known, so yes, when members start calling other members ‘cunts’, it’s time to close.
Maybe but wouldn’t that just shift the venting, the future frustrations, somewhere else here, thus spreading the infectious venting further.
I’ve travelled a bit during my life and love the differences of cultures all around the world. I personally don’t believe globalisation is good for keeping some of these differences special. Cut off completely? No, I’ve never agreed with that. The nations of the world grow and learn from each other and must learn to respect as much of their differences as they can - although as we have shown, that is never easy.
Even on the national level, I’m not a big fan of extremes of government in general and like to see some decentralisation. Hence, I don’t agree that the EU is a good idea, it centralises control too much and in my opinion isn’t required for decent levels of trade and sharing between nations.
Yes, I think there are times when nations are wise to think just beyond their own selves, as are individuals, as I say though I’m not into extremes and the political parties currently in the U.K. are all quite extreme in certain areas of policy. I believe the majority of the people fall well in the middle and dislike the extremes of either of the two main parties. Personally I’ve mostly voted Labour during my lifetime, but probably am closer to a floating voter now. I very much doubt Labour would have handled anything any better than the heartless Conservatives for the most part, as they have gone so far left now that many of them are mirror images of the far right losers.
See, now no need for name calling, as you have engaged me in proper conversation. I may have misjudged you and apologise if I did
I'm not calling anyone a fascist or any such nonsense but I stand by my initial comment.
When people decided they preferred comforting platitudes to uncomfortable truths, they devolved responsibility to those that entertained them the most.
But when a serious situation occurs, clowns aren't equipped to do what is necessary and no matter how hard people vote (wish) they can't change reality, the world isn't 'I'm talented get me out of here' or whatever flavour of (un)reality TV that suits.
Nature is a harsh mistress and we need to work together to get through this so I'm sorry if my comment provoked but it did answer the initial question pretty succinctly and I've grown so used to being abused for expressing my opinions that I've begun expect the same resilience from the other side.
I see that whilst I've been constructing this post, things have descended a little further, definitely out for now, thanks 👍
That’s why I commented so harshly. You chose to make my shared thoughts into a political point scoring comment. I chose to express to you how that comes across to me and what it leads to in general. It was to end up this way, as it’s quite common on here that if anyone posts against the general flow by the loudest, others will come and join in.
My initial comment was not in conversation and more of a personal observation. The choice was there to pass by or comment. Some chose to comment and I chose to comment back. Then others decided they wanted some of the drama - how dare someone disagree with our general consensus? How dare someone make a point that while not aimed at myself, is so personal to my world view, that I will name call them so bad that their hair will fall out and their legs will topple from holding their facist views lol. Yeah it was bound to end bad
Agree. People can now hide this section and even though a little drift to other threads happens, it’s probably best to keep it all here.
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No one alive on earth has lived through a time like this, it would be naive to think it wouldn’t get heated from time to time.
True. I’m sure most of us can keep it here and to ourselves. Maybe even finding some new found thoughts to mull over in time. As long as we don’t infect the rest of the forum or take away the great app conversations. We were all bound to want to out let at times as you say.
Also bound to be some paranoia. Just had the boiler man come to the door. He couldn’t come in though as I had a bit of a cough and sore throat. Coughs gone now and I’ve had the throat on and off for a while and might be due to some of the medication I take, but I don’t blame him for not taking the chance
I’ve had similar experiences here, in isolation, it’s a conversation stopper, how quickly people say bye bye.
A few years back I became quite depressed due to losing my career due to my health problem. I was close but not quite suicidal. It’s times like these that even though I suffer pain most days, it brings home how precious life is. Fleeting at times it seems.
I do hope, of all the things that happen, we all realise how precious all this is.
I know this thread is supposed to be a honeypot to keep the good thread good, and in that, it might have a purpose (and most people would avoid it).
I will say, however, and it’s only me saying it, but:
Whoever is in power in your own particular countries, wherever you are – you really must support them, no matter what they’re doing, no matter how crazy or illogical or dangerous they appear to be, no matter whether you agree with the politics, no matter that you would have voted for the total opposite, no matter what evils the people in power have done before. You simply have to get behind them, go along with things, and support them.
The alternative is ridiculous. You’re not in a position to be in power, there’s no way you’re going to be voted in tomorrow instead, there’s no way the political opposition you would have voted for is going to take over tomorrow either. The person in the hot seat is the one that has to be doing the job at this present moment. There’s no alternative to that. That’s the reality. If all you can do is criticise, you’re obviously not helping, by definition you’re hindering. If you don’t want to be supportive, simply putting up and shutting up is probably the most effective way of protesting without being harmful, or part of the problem.
That was me saying it.
I think the perfect post to now shut this one down. Time for venting is over.
To be fair I think most of the UK press are on board with this.
I agree with some of what you are saying and disagree with some too. I think it’s perfectly fine to make opinion on an event and the governments reaction and policies of that event, if the intent is not blaming, but event marking something you think we may need to look at later to learn from it.
I have no doubt any government that we would have in the U.K. would:
A) desire the best for their country within the parameters of their own unique ideology.
have difficulty getting everything right in this instance, as it’s pretty much a no win situation.
My original comment was not designed to criticise for political point scoring, but was a personal frustration with a policy that will effect my wife in her job. As this thread is designed for such a purpose - ‘venting’, I thought it appropriate.
Do I support my government in this hour of need, yes I do and would whichever government was in power. We have political systems in place for other elected politicians to question policy and if done politely, is quite a decent system, that has some failings as all systems do.
So people i know starts to lost their jobs. They got fired. I‘m also not sure if my job will go trough this crisis.
Then to work at some places we need to be tested. Good but no one will test if i have no symptoms. Chicken and egg problem.
These bla bla politics and all that. Companies just fire people (if they can) to get rid of them in such a situation.
And a lot people seems still to think its all just a flu.
I have the feeling here (in my country) everyone stands for themselves only and no one cares about others.
This will cost lifes and jobs and after that we remember how fucking bad it gone because we are alone.
And it just started.
If people had ‘put up and shut up’, and not criticised the government’s insane strategy of ‘herd immunity’, we would be looking at far more deaths right now, and no doubt a ten fold increase in the near future. As it is, they were shamed into taking action.
Sorry, but my faith in this government’s ability to handle this crisis in a professional manner does not match yours, and like others alarmed at what’s going down will continue to speak out about it.
I personally think this is going to get much worse and that it really has just started. I’m hoping that eventually some better protections for people come out of this. I don’t know where you live, but in the U.K., it is my opinion that the common thinking is that anyone who needs help is just sucking the life blood of society, which simply isn’t true. The virus though doesn’t care about your money or power or what social standing you have and hopefully some people will learn to be a bit more caring for those that are struggling in the future. Take care and hope you and yours manage these times as best you can
No words.
Exactly. One of the movers and shakers behind Brexit too.
Parallel to covid-19 we are also having to deal with darwinian capitalism vs democratic socialism. It’s a true shame that it takes times like this to shine a massive light on it.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth/super-rich-hold-32-trillion-in-offshore-havens-idUSBRE86L03U20120722
Sadly tax dodging billionaires managed to convince the masses to give these people complete unregulated rule over the u.k :-(
Ps, remoaner is a phrase coined by the above mentioned.
No we mustn't criticise the UK government, we've got to put up and shut up and back them up - even if experts are saying their actions are putting our families lives at risk. Anyone doing so is apparently a 'remoaning cunt'!
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797?utm_source=pocket-newtab
the lethal combination of arrogance, no-nothing-ism-and actual stupidity of the Trump administration, in terms of an (inevitable) pandemic and everything else