OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

knewspeak

@MonzoPro said:
It's very weird in the UK - lots of mixed messages as to how this will pan out.

One article on the BBC today suggests the death rate prediction is difficult to put into context, as it includes natural deaths as well. So it doesn’t take into account deaths in the vulnerable groups that might have happened anyway, from normal flu or the underlying health issues. It suggests if we take all the necessary measures deaths could be as low as 20,000, compared to 8,000 from normal flu.

But then gives figures for 250-500,000 if we don’t.

One minute I read something that terrifies me to my bones, the next, it’s not so bad.

It is all about how we deal with it. The variation.

[Deleted User]

@knewspeak said:

@MonzoPro said:
It's very weird in the UK - lots of mixed messages as to how this will pan out.

One article on the BBC today suggests the death rate prediction is difficult to put into context, as it includes natural deaths as well. So it doesn’t take into account deaths in the vulnerable groups that might have happened anyway, from normal flu or the underlying health issues. It suggests if we take all the necessary measures deaths could be as low as 20,000, compared to 8,000 from normal flu.

But then gives figures for 250-500,000 if we don’t.

One minute I read something that terrifies me to my bones, the next, it’s not so bad.

It is all about how we deal with it. The variation.

Yeah. At least the UK is finally starting to get on the case with containment. If they can slow down the infection rate it should allow time to build up more resources, and make it less of a catastrophe as it could be.

knewspeak

@MonzoPro said:

@knewspeak said:

@MonzoPro said:
It's very weird in the UK - lots of mixed messages as to how this will pan out.

One article on the BBC today suggests the death rate prediction is difficult to put into context, as it includes natural deaths as well. So it doesn’t take into account deaths in the vulnerable groups that might have happened anyway, from normal flu or the underlying health issues. It suggests if we take all the necessary measures deaths could be as low as 20,000, compared to 8,000 from normal flu.

But then gives figures for 250-500,000 if we don’t.

One minute I read something that terrifies me to my bones, the next, it’s not so bad.

It is all about how we deal with it. The variation.

Yeah. At least the UK is finally starting to get on the case with containment. If they can slow down the infection rate it should allow time to build up more resources, and make it less of a catastrophe as it could be.

The lockdown has to be strick, to reset the virus, then relaxed so we return to ‘normality’. So on repeating this over, not causing too many infections, whilst trying to maintain a semblance of an economy, so this does not cause more harm than the virus.

knewspeak

LinearLineman

Well, at least no one is arguing this isn’t pretty damn serious anymore. I guess that’s progress. China manufactures 60 million masks a day, but they have been using them all. Here in the US Indiana housewives are sewing them four an hour on their sewing machines. Hospital personnel will meet them in the parking lot to pick them up. Now that is fucking primitive. Millions of masks are coming, the anti-prez says... yeah in a year to eighteen months. Docs and nurses are using one time masks till they literally fall apart.

Now it appears the intelligence community alerted the WH weeks ago (of course). That classified info trickled down so wily Senators could dump their stocks while preaching calm. O Perfidy! 🤣🤣🤣

knewspeak

Without causing a problem, how on EARTH would we find a solution

[Deleted User]

@knewspeak said:

@MonzoPro said:

@knewspeak said:

@MonzoPro said:
It's very weird in the UK - lots of mixed messages as to how this will pan out.

One article on the BBC today suggests the death rate prediction is difficult to put into context, as it includes natural deaths as well. So it doesn’t take into account deaths in the vulnerable groups that might have happened anyway, from normal flu or the underlying health issues. It suggests if we take all the necessary measures deaths could be as low as 20,000, compared to 8,000 from normal flu.

But then gives figures for 250-500,000 if we don’t.

One minute I read something that terrifies me to my bones, the next, it’s not so bad.

It is all about how we deal with it. The variation.

Yeah. At least the UK is finally starting to get on the case with containment. If they can slow down the infection rate it should allow time to build up more resources, and make it less of a catastrophe as it could be.

The lockdown has to be strick, to reset the virus, then relaxed so we return to ‘normality’. So on repeating this over, not causing too many infections, whilst trying to maintain a semblance of an economy, so this does not cause more harm than the virus.

Yep. I think that's their plan, and seems to have worked in China.

I'm feeling slightly less terrified this morning.

knewspeak

@MonzoPro said:

@knewspeak said:

@MonzoPro said:

@knewspeak said:

@MonzoPro said:
It's very weird in the UK - lots of mixed messages as to how this will pan out.

One article on the BBC today suggests the death rate prediction is difficult to put into context, as it includes natural deaths as well. So it doesn’t take into account deaths in the vulnerable groups that might have happened anyway, from normal flu or the underlying health issues. It suggests if we take all the necessary measures deaths could be as low as 20,000, compared to 8,000 from normal flu.

But then gives figures for 250-500,000 if we don’t.

One minute I read something that terrifies me to my bones, the next, it’s not so bad.

It is all about how we deal with it. The variation.

Yeah. At least the UK is finally starting to get on the case with containment. If they can slow down the infection rate it should allow time to build up more resources, and make it less of a catastrophe as it could be.

The lockdown has to be strick, to reset the virus, then relaxed so we return to ‘normality’. So on repeating this over, not causing too many infections, whilst trying to maintain a semblance of an economy, so this does not cause more harm than the virus.

Yep. I think that's their plan, and seems to have worked in China.

I'm feeling slightly less terrified this morning.

Living has it’s risk, if we gave this a lot of thought, we would be too terrified to venture out of bed.

Clueless

Vent start:
We all were once young and dumb but this generation tops them all.
Coughing at older people and shout out „Corona“ seems a new funny thing for them.
So to the great Friday for future generation which says we stole their future, still party and do not care about economy and lifes.
It seems to have a good effect for nature indeed so hope you are happy now but good luck for future generations if intelligence goes down further.
I‘m all in for mother nature and we see the good side effects of lockdowns for nature but please dear young generations do not party deaths of humans since it could knock at your own door soon.
Sometimes i wish we all would wiped away and earth could heal. We are the virus and earth wants to get rid of us maybe. But we already do a great job to kill ourselves in many ways.
Vent end.

McD

@LinearLineman said:
Here in the US Indiana housewives are sewing them four an hour on their sewing machines. Hospital personnel will meet them in the parking lot to pick them up. Now that is fucking primitive. Millions of masks are coming, the anti-prez says... yeah in a year to eighteen months. Docs and nurses are using one time masks till they literally fall apart.

The healthcare workers will also fall apart. I suspect people that have had the virus and are now immune will become valuable to maintain critical roles going forward. Many could be
recruited into healthcare roles to help scale the recovery facilities to save more lives. Just seeing if this crystal ball still works for seeing the future. I see something called Drambo has been ported to the Apple Watch... must need new batteries... that can't be right unless the watch is the Flava-flav Model.

GrimLucky

The map in this website shows Germany at 20k cases and only 68 deaths, then Spain with 21k cases and 1k deaths. I doubt the data’s being recorded in a consistent way or we can’t tell because it’s still growing. Or the healthcare system in Germany is much better than Spain or France.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

knewspeak

@GrimLucky said:
The map in this website shows Germany at 20k cases and only 68 deaths, then Spain with 21k cases and 1k deaths. I doubt the data’s being recorded in a consistent way or we can’t tell because it’s still growing. Or the healthcare system in Germany is much better than Spain or France.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Lack of consistency

Bluepunk

Very, very quickly. Thanks for the idea @u0421793 and some of the words @LinearLineman. Where’s yer banjo @robosardine, I couldn’t wait?

Gotta go, probation calls.

Love to you all.

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Small_paul1976

My thought for the day.
When there is a crisis like whats happening now, a war or bailing out banks, how come governments can find the money.
On the other hand there are homeless people living on the streets. Why cant the money be found to give every member of society a decent standard of living?
Surely thats also a crisis.

richardyot

@Small_paul1976 said:
My thought for the day.
When there is a crisis like whats happening now, a war or bailing out banks, how come governments can find the money.
On the other hand there are homeless people living on the streets. Why cant the money be found to give every member of society a decent standard of living?
Surely thats also a crisis.

All it takes to "find the money" is political will. There's always money for wars or for bailing out banks, but not for healthcare or helping people. It's just a question of priorities.

Money is just an abstraction, numbers in a ledger. Where we direct resources is a political choice.

knewspeak

@Small_paul1976 said:
My thought for the day.
When there is a crisis like whats happening now, a war or bailing out banks, how come governments can find the money.
On the other hand there are homeless people living on the streets. Why cant the money be found to give every member of society a decent standard of living?
Surely thats also a crisis.

Because they spin, until people are dizzy.

topaz

I live in a smallish village in West Yorkshire uk. This morning cricket club car park semi full. Groups of kids/teenagers out playing, got snapped at “he’s not bothered” when asking a lady with a husband who has been very ill about him.

Old folk 80/90 out with their grandsons going shopping, etc etc.

Boris and his merry darwinian capitalists needs to enforce a crystal clear shutdown policy because..

Some people are as dangerous as the problem itself.

topaz

That’s exactly what was offered in the uk’s last election, people chose crazed right wing capitalists over democratic socialism.

Shhh, don’t mention the TRILLIONS £€$ stashed in tax havens.

@Small_paul1976 said:
My thought for the day.
When there is a crisis like whats happening now, a war or bailing out banks, how come governments can find the money.
On the other hand there are homeless people living on the streets. Why cant the money be found to give every member of society a decent standard of living?
Surely thats also a crisis.

[Deleted User]

Looks like UK are gonna get hit hard, the numbers are not looking good.

knewspeak

@Shiro said:
Looks like UK are gonna get hit hard, the numbers are not looking good.

Unfortunately that’s what it often needs, to learn.

[Deleted User]

@knewspeak said:

@Shiro said:
Looks like UK are gonna get hit hard, the numbers are not looking good.

Unfortunately that’s what it often needs, to learn.

Yep. Ten years of fake austerity that has run down essential services has been exposed as a lie. Underfunding the NHS and sneaking services out to Tory donor private firms will result in unnecessary deaths. Not recognising the importance of key workers such as nurses, drivers, teachers, shop workers etc. and instead rewarding bankers and stockbrokers will be exposed as a catastrophic mistake. 200 billion wasted on Brexit, and plans to cut ourselves off from our trading partners at a time of global economic crisis acknowledged as insane folly.

And a government of blundering idiots needs to be replaced with grown ups, not on the make.

The UK needs to learn a very big, painful lesson from this. And once that’s done, we need to confront climate change.

There’s work to be done, whether we’re up to the job is another matter.

topaz

Don’t forget the tax havens with TRILLIONS stashed in them man ;-)

@MonzoPro said:

@knewspeak said:

@Shiro said:
Looks like UK are gonna get hit hard, the numbers are not looking good.

Unfortunately that’s what it often needs, to learn.

Yep. Ten years of fake austerity that has run down essential services has been exposed as a lie. Underfunding the NHS and sneaking services out to Tory donor private firms will result in unnecessary deaths. Not recognising the importance of key workers such as nurses, drivers, teachers, shop workers etc. and instead rewarding bankers and stockbrokers will be exposed as a catastrophic mistake. 200 billion wasted on Brexit, and plans to cut ourselves off from our trading partners at a time of global economic crisis acknowledged as insane folly.

And a government of blundering idiots needs to be replaced with grown ups, not on the make.

The UK needs to learn a very big, painful lesson from this. And once that’s done, we need to confront climate change.

There’s work to be done, whether we’re up to the job is another matter.

Carnbot

@MonzoPro said:

@knewspeak

Yeah. At least the UK is finally starting to get on the case with containment. If they can slow down the infection rate it should allow time to build up more resources, and make it less of a catastrophe as it could be.

Yeah, this was obviously the best way to do it which makes it a crime they even tried to push another option.

I'd never thought I'd see this view also from the Telegraph which I saw shared on Facebook (Tory supporting newspaper for anyone else reading this) and this part is exactly correct:

"The Government seemed to imagine that it could let British residents die at a much faster rate than in other comparable democracies in the first wave without provoking a ferocious popular and political reaction, and without untold damage to our international reputation. It seemed to think that testing the NHS to destruction was "doable". We’ll find some ventilators somewhere."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/03/20/boris-must-become-socialist-face-nationalising-entire-economy/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_fb&fbclid=IwAR26B58AszbCyhHcATCzmChd58qO6Bevn28TPblatCQJ_01j1j7F81QxY3s

I see they also changed the title (the link title is different to the current heading. More socialism is needed as a permanent solution not just during the crisis, hopefully this will make them finally see sense, the Tories certainly aren't visionaries for sure )

So even the Telegraph are admitting this was a disaster. I hope when the dust finally settles (if ever) we'll never forget this.
It could have been (and still could be) one of the worst decisions in British history, but the fact it was even on the table is staggering. and we still don't know the full damage that will be done by not starting earlier.

Yeah, both the UK and US have the worst type of leaders in this crisis, the Uk slightly less so. Luckily due to criticism in the UK things are finally changing (the third budget in a week) but not enough, and is it too late? An invisible atomic bomb has been dropped but these leaders don't have the vision and skill to deal with it.

Boris (and Trump) are dropping Brexit style catchphrases as if we're going to get Coronavirus "done", they still don't quite understand the reality of the implications.

topaz

Super reply, thank you :-) the sooner more adopt this knowledge the better.

@Carnbot said:

Yeah, this was obviously the best way to do it which makes it a crime they even tried to push another option.

I'd never thought I'd see this view also from the Telegraph which I saw shared on Facebook (Tory supporting newspaper for anyone else reading this) and this part is exactly correct:

"The Government seemed to imagine that it could let British residents die at a much faster rate than in other comparable democracies in the first wave without provoking a ferocious popular and political reaction, and without untold damage to our international reputation. It seemed to think that testing the NHS to destruction was "doable". We’ll find some ventilators somewhere."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/03/20/boris-must-become-socialist-face-nationalising-entire-economy/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_fb&fbclid=IwAR26B58AszbCyhHcATCzmChd58qO6Bevn28TPblatCQJ_01j1j7F81QxY3s

I see they also changed the title (the link title is different to the current heading. More socialism is needed as a permanent solution not just during the crisis, hopefully this will make them finally see sense, the Tories certainly aren't visionaries for sure )

So even the Telegraph are admitting this was a disaster. I hope when the dust finally settles (if ever) we'll never forget this.
It could have been (and still could be) one of the worst decisions in British history, but the fact it was even on the table is staggering. and we still don't know the full damage that will be done by not starting earlier.

Yeah, both the UK and US have the worst type of leaders in this crisis, the Uk slightly less so. Luckily due to criticism in the UK things are finally changing (the third budget in a week) but not enough, and is it too late? An invisible atomic bomb has been dropped but these leaders don't have the vision and skill to deal with it.

Boris (and Trump) are dropping Brexit style catchphrases as if we're going to get Coronavirus "done", they still don't quite understand the reality of the implications.

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Clueless

And yet we didn‘t learned from other countries.
We germans, most of EU, GB, USA, we are stupid idiots.

Clueless

And even more to rant about is the situation for small and medium sized companies in some parts of the country which gets NO help at all. The politics are talking and discussing while these people need money right now.
They could get credits from banks? Are you kidding me. WTF!!!
This will costs so many jobs and small companies which will bring other problems.
Its a snowball trying to not die in hell. In some weeks its already too late.

[Deleted User]

A former CDC Director discusses a wide ranging strategy with different phases for trying to eventually bring the virus under control. The biggest problems I see are:

1. Denial of viral impact by individuals who believe it won’t happen to them.
2. Many in the public are still too close to each other which accelerates viral spread.
3. Not enough PPE or ventilators to handle a peak of people who can’t breathe on their own.
4. It’s not clear the U.S. will be able to obtain the needed PPE or ventilators soon enough to save lives.
5. Not enough tests available to monitor viral spread nor PPE to administer them.
6. As more people die, the level of panic will increase and exacerbate existing problems.
7. We haven’t taken enough collective action to prevent widespread deaths from the virus.
8. Personal losses will occur before enough of the public change what they do to manage the virus.
9. Existing political divisions and bureaucratic delays slow aid to those who need immediate relief in order to meet basic needs of food and shelter.

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JohnnyGoodyear

@Bluepunk said:
Very, very quickly. Thanks for the idea @u0421793 and some of the words @LinearLineman. Where’s yer banjo @robosardine, I couldn’t wait?

Gotta go, probation calls.

Love to you all.

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Mad/bad/sad/dad!