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  • cian I don't know what you're talking about

    I don't know any Hispanics who despise the democratic party more than the republicans , they know it's the republicans who have turned separating latino children from their parents by the thousands into an art form and stopped the dreamer movement in their tracks, they know that the only policy republicans want to enact is to get more white people from Norway etc.. it wasn't a democrat who said anything like that.

    young people don't despise the Democratic Party more than republicans either, they know that the republicans are pillars of racist and divisive legislation in this country, they know it's the republicans that stop anything from being done about gun massacres in America

    black people don't despise the democrats more than republicans, they know that republicans from the bottom all the way to the top meaning the president himself don't want to do anything about police brutality and institutionalized racism with in the judiciary and unlike you claim, they absolutely care about justice reform, why you would say they don't is a slap in the face of reality.

    I'd be a republican myself it it wasn't for the war on science they declared, and if the president hadn't decimated the scientific community in any way he can

    I'd be a republican if they didn't try to stop black people from exercising their right to vote

    I'd be a republican if they didn't enact legislation that allows them to fire gay people from their jobs just because they're gay.

    I'd be a republican if they believed in paying women equally for the work they do.

    I'd be a republican if they didn't vote to elect federal judges who have absolutely no experience outside of authoring ridiculous conspiracy theories

    nah, I'm just kidding, I wouldn't be a republican because the current crop of republicans are just trying to return America to the foundation of it's roots and a very sick foundation it is, they want a return to pre-civil war days or at best the golden era 50s of course it was only the golden era for people who look like the current crop of the republicans serving in government right now which is not a representation of the country by a long shot....

    the democrats policies aren't perfect by any means but the republicans policies aren't democratic by any means. The Republican Party doesn't even represent everyone in America, it doesn't get any simpler than that.

  • Trump today: ""So if we can hold that down, as we're saying, to 100,000, it's a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100 and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job."

    If he had mobilized the country to get adequate testing in place in late January and aggressively tracked the few cases there were at the onset -- and instituted aggressive social distancing back in February. We would not be in this place.

    When China hit the number of identified cases (and our case load is actually certainly much higher than the recorded total since we are still behind on testing) that we have now, the epidemic was well past its peak. The epidemic is still accelerating in the U.S.

    For those that believe in American exceptionalism, we have failed terribly. Our first cases happened at the same time as South Korea's.

    South Korea hasn't had a day where more than 10 people died. We are now at over 500 new deaths per day with the rate still ramping up.

    South Korea's total deaths is less than 150 and Trump is saying it is very good job to keep the total under 100,000.

    It disturbs me that anyone does not see what an utter failure the U.S. response has been.

  • somebody said something about not wanting to run off those with alternative opinions, couldn't be further from the truth. What people want in a discussion is honesty, if you support institutionalized racism then just say so, stop lying... no one will run you off because it is at the point of honesty that we can there begin a real discussion. Just say you don't want equal rights for women, gay people, equality for people of whatever pigmentation burns your fancy, etc... and that you want to stop people from voting and that you know your president is as racist as the father he idolizes and then we can debate which are the better policies , the racist policies you like or the non-racist policies that non-racist people like. lol if there is one thing that isn't 'alternative' in America is racism, that's old hat so lets get to it

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    @LinearLineman said:
    @cian ... your Republican visionaries in action...

    I'm not from the US, but I have lived here for 9 years, and during that time I came to the conclusion there are two separate divergent species inhabiting the land but due to some inter-dimmensional glitch have been classified according to science with the same mammal taxonomical nomenclature and thus, alas, erroneously afforded the same voting rights as Homo sapiens, and now here's irreputable proof that that theory is indeed the case.

  • @robertreynolds said:

    Are you a professional political analyst? This is one of the most interesting analyses I’ve read in a long time, anywhere.

    Thank you. And no, I've just read widely and know some people in the political world both local and nationally. Lobbyists and political consultants are some of the most unpleasantly cynical people you might encounter, but they do have a fairly clear eyed view of how things actually work.

  • @kobamoto said:
    cian I don't know what you're talking about

    Probably because you didn't bother to read what I said.

    It's not a choice between the Republicans and the Democrats. It's a choice between Democrats and not showing up to the polling booths. At this point the electoral Democratic fight isn't against the Republicans, it's against apathy and contempt among the voters they took for granted because they knew they had nowhere else to go.

    I don't know any Hispanics who despise the democratic party more than the republicans , they know it's the republicans who have turned separating latino children from their parents by the thousands into an art form and stopped the dreamer movement in their tracks, they know that the only policy republicans want to enact is to get more white people from Norway etc.. it wasn't a democrat who said anything like that.

    Talk to street level Hispanic activists sometime about Obama and you may be surprised at how angry they can get. Just because they loathe Trump, doesn't mean they have any love for Obama and the ways in which he expanded expulsions. The new wave of Hispanic activism started in the Obama era to fight his expulsions, not during the Trump era.

    black people don't despise the democrats more than republicans, they know that republicans from the bottom all the way to the top meaning the president himself don't want to do anything about police brutality and institutionalized racism with in the judiciary and unlike you claim, they absolutely care about justice reform, why you would say they don't is a slap in the face of reality.

    I didn't say any such thing. However, they still don't vote.

    I'd be a republican if they didn't enact legislation that allows them to fire gay people from their jobs just because they're gay.

    You know that in most states in the US you can be fired by your employer for no reason. If your employer doesn't like your Joe Biden sticker, they can fire you.

    the democrats policies aren't perfect by any means but the republicans policies aren't democratic by any means. The Republican Party doesn't even represent everyone in America, it doesn't get any simpler than that.

    Neither does the Democratic party, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The idea that any political party could represent everyone seems deeply weird honestly.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    It disturbs me that anyone does not see what an utter failure the U.S. response has been.

    I think the US numbers are probably fictional at this point. Locally I know that they're mostly not testing people because there's a shortage of tests and the tests they do can take up to 5 days before they end up in the official state tally. Once people start dying it will probably become more real, but even there if you're not testing dead people it's easy for the number of COVID deaths to be undercounted.

    The reality is we'll probably only have a rough idea in a year's time when somebody calculates the excess deaths for this period of time.

  • @cian said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    It disturbs me that anyone does not see what an utter failure the U.S. response has been.

    I think the US numbers are probably fictional at this point. Locally I know that they're mostly not testing people because there's a shortage of tests and the tests they do can take up to 5 days before they end up in the official state tally. Once people start dying it will probably become more real, but even there if you're not testing dead people it's easy for the number of COVID deaths to be undercounted.

    The reality is we'll probably only have a rough idea in a year's time when somebody calculates the excess deaths for this period of time.

    The numbers are an undercount in the U.S. but not a fiction. What that means is that it is worse than the official numbers.

    I am not sure what you mean by "when people start dying". People are dying and the the numbers are accelerating.

    It is also quite likely that the actual number of deaths triggered by the virus is much higher than reported -- which is typical during an epidemic. Many deaths aren't recorded as being caused by the epidemic but retrospective analysis (by comparing expected deaths during a time period) is used to estimate how many deaths were triggered by the disease but not identified.

    With the swine flu, the initial death toll was an undercount by a factor of almost 10. (2,000 reported death toll was raised to 20,000 after analysis once the epidemic had passed). There has been analysis from a town in Italy where it looks like the undercount has been by a factor of about 4.

  • @cian said:

    @kobamoto said:
    cian I don't know what you're talking about

    Probably because you didn't bother to read what I said.

    I did, and am not surprised.

    It's not a choice between the Republicans and the Democrats. It's a choice between Democrats and not showing up to the polling booths. At this point the electoral Democratic fight isn't against the Republicans, it's against apathy and contempt among the voters they took for granted because they knew they had nowhere else to go.

    I don't know any Hispanics who despise the democratic party more than the republicans , they know it's the republicans who have turned separating latino children from their parents by the thousands into an art form and stopped the dreamer movement in their tracks, they know that the only policy republicans want to enact is to get more white people from Norway etc.. it wasn't a democrat who said anything like that.

    Talk to street level Hispanic activists sometime about Obama and you may be surprised at how angry they can get. Just because they loathe Trump, doesn't mean they have any love for Obama and the ways in which he expanded expulsions. The new wave of Hispanic activism started in the Obama era to fight his expulsions, not during the Trump era.

    Baloney. Illegal aliens shouldn't get everything for free in record-time. Illegals should work their tails off for years to get those rights, like the successful immigrants did. Plus wealthy Hispanic business owners like Trump's tax cuts. Plus his alpha-male personality is admired by some.

    black people don't despise the democrats more than republicans, they know that republicans from the bottom all the way to the top meaning the president himself don't want to do anything about police brutality and institutionalized racism with in the judiciary and unlike you claim, they absolutely care about justice reform, why you would say they don't is a slap in the face of reality.

    I didn't say any such thing. However, they still don't vote.

    Baloney. Everyone black person I know voted, even in the local elections.

    I'd be a republican if they didn't enact legislation that allows them to fire gay people from their jobs just because they're gay.

    You know that in most states in the US you can be fired by your employer for no reason. If your employer doesn't like your Joe Biden sticker, they can fire you.

    Baloney. It's illegal and it's very easy to get legal help from the federal government if your employer discriminates.

    the democrats policies aren't perfect by any means but the republicans policies aren't democratic by any means. The Republican Party doesn't even represent everyone in America, it doesn't get any simpler than that.

    Neither does the Democratic party, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The idea that any political party could represent everyone seems deeply weird honestly.

    The democratic party is much more representative of the American population than the republican party.

  • edited March 2020

    This should help:

    https://t.co/tn04Phv1xM?ssr=true

    The single most hopeful thing I’ve seen, from an ICU doc in NYC.

  • edited March 2020

    Gorgeous, thank you.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @cian said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    It disturbs me that anyone does not see what an utter failure the U.S. response has been.

    I think the US numbers are probably fictional at this point. Locally I know that they're mostly not testing people because there's a shortage of tests and the tests they do can take up to 5 days before they end up in the official state tally. Once people start dying it will probably become more real, but even there if you're not testing dead people it's easy for the number of COVID deaths to be undercounted.

    The reality is we'll probably only have a rough idea in a year's time when somebody calculates the excess deaths for this period of time.

    The numbers are an undercount in the U.S. but not a fiction. What that means is that it is worse than the official numbers.

    Yes it's an undercount, but it's also a fiction because of the way they're conducting tests in my state. Not only will they undercount, but the way they're counting will mean that certain populations will be overrepresented, and because certain regions are getting their results in a lot later than others.

    I am not sure what you mean by "when people start dying". People are dying and the the numbers are accelerating.

    Where I am the official number of COVID deaths has so far been quite low. Not only do I not know of anyone who's died of it locally, but nobody I know has had anyone they know die.

    It is also quite likely that the actual number of deaths triggered by the virus is much higher than reported -- which is typical during an epidemic. Many deaths aren't recorded as being caused by the epidemic but retrospective analysis (by comparing expected deaths during a time period) is used to estimate how many deaths were triggered by the disease but not identified.

    I feel like I wrote this...

  • @Sequencer1 said:

    @cian said:

    black people don't despise the democrats more than republicans, they know that republicans from the bottom all the way to the top meaning the president himself don't want to do anything about police brutality and institutionalized racism with in the judiciary and unlike you claim, they absolutely care about justice reform, why you would say they don't is a slap in the face of reality.

    I didn't say any such thing. However, they still don't vote.

    Baloney. Everyone black person I know voted, even in the local elections.

    And yet if you look at the figures, black people mostly don't turn out to vote. So maybe the black people you know are unrepresentative in some way.

    I'd be a republican if they didn't enact legislation that allows them to fire gay people from their jobs just because they're gay.

    You know that in most states in the US you can be fired by your employer for no reason. If your employer doesn't like your Joe Biden sticker, they can fire you.

    Baloney. It's illegal and it's very easy to get legal help from the federal government if your employer discriminates.

    Do you know what "At Will" employment means?

    The democratic party is much more representative of the American population than the republican party.

    Maybe so, but that wasn't what he wrote.

  • edited March 2020

    but that was the point wasn't it.

    that's where the honesty comes in, when people suggest support for one party or the other it makes sense to include simple facts like that. Why would most Americans support republican policies when republicans aren't representative of most Americans?

    why would most people advocate for states rights over federal rights when republicans use states rights to attack women, gay people, and civil rights?

    the thing that makes Donald trump a great politician is that in spite of all of his lies he's honest about the most important thing which is that he knows the soul of America, that's why he can shoot somebody on 5th ave and get away with it, and that's why he can get away with birthirism and still get voted into office.

  • @cian said:

    @Sequencer1 said:

    @cian said:

    black people don't despise the democrats more than republicans, they know that republicans from the bottom all the way to the top meaning the president himself don't want to do anything about police brutality and institutionalized racism with in the judiciary and unlike you claim, they absolutely care about justice reform, why you would say they don't is a slap in the face of reality.

    I didn't say any such thing. However, they still don't vote.

    Baloney. Everyone black person I know voted, even in the local elections.

    And yet if you look at the figures, black people mostly don't turn out to vote. So maybe the black people you know are unrepresentative in some way.

    Sure, the lower-income of any race in the US generally don't vote. Could be that they just don't care, or feel that their vote is worthless, or it could be that they cannot get out of work, especially working in the service industry. But for you to say that 'they still don't vote' is simply false.

    I'd be a republican if they didn't enact legislation that allows them to fire gay people from their jobs just because they're gay.

    You know that in most states in the US you can be fired by your employer for no reason. If your employer doesn't like your Joe Biden sticker, they can fire you.

    Baloney. It's illegal and it's very easy to get legal help from the federal government if your employer discriminates.

    Do you know what "At Will" employment means?

    Of course, but the employer will most certainly use a better excuse than a 'Biden bumper sticker'. That's why as an employee, especially a minority employee, you need to keep a journal once you're beyond the 'At Will Employment' period (usually 3-6 months).

    The democratic party is much more representative of the American population than the republican party.

    Maybe so, but that wasn't what he wrote.

    Here's what @kobamoto wrote, please read it again: the democrats policies aren't perfect by any means but the republicans policies aren't democratic by any means. The Republican Party doesn't even represent everyone in America, it doesn't get any simpler than that.

    Here's your reply, please read it again: Neither does the Democratic party, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The idea that any political party could represent everyone seems deeply weird honestly.

    Once again, I'll write: The democratic party is much more representative of the American population than the republican party.

  • @kobamoto said:
    but that was the point wasn't it.

    that's where the honesty comes in, when people suggest support for one party or the other it makes sense to include simple facts like that. Why would most Americans support republican policies when republicans aren't representative of most Americans?

    Most Democrats aren’t supportive of most Americans either. The people in power on both sides are the problem.

  • @robertreynolds said:

    @kobamoto said:
    but that was the point wasn't it.

    that's where the honesty comes in, when people suggest support for one party or the other it makes sense to include simple facts like that. Why would most Americans support republican policies when republicans aren't representative of most Americans?

    Most Democrats aren’t supportive of most Americans either. The people in power on both sides are the problem.

    Robert who is trying to stop people that look like you from voting, who is trying to not pay you equally because of your sex, who is trying to fire you because of your sexual orientation?

    some things that are the same just ain't the same.

  • Baloney. It's illegal and it's very easy to get legal help from the federal government if your employer discriminates.

    Do you know what "At Will" employment means?

    Of course, but the employer will most certainly use a better excuse than a 'Biden bumper sticker'. That's why as an employee, especially a minority employee, you need to keep a journal once you're beyond the 'At Will Employment' period (usually 3-6 months).

    You’re employer can fire you for any reason, or no reason, as long as it’s not explicitly racist or sexist. They can fire you at any time - there is no at will period. The bumper sticker example is real btw.

  • @cian I'm not arguing with you on that point.
    And, as an employee, you too can leave "for any reason, or no reason" during this period.

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    @cian said:

    Baloney. It's illegal and it's very easy to get legal help from the federal government if your employer discriminates.

    Do you know what "At Will" employment means?

    Of course, but the employer will most certainly use a better excuse than a 'Biden bumper sticker'. That's why as an employee, especially a minority employee, you need to keep a journal once you're beyond the 'At Will Employment' period (usually 3-6 months).

    You’re employer can fire you for any reason, or no reason, as long as it’s not explicitly racist or sexist. They can fire you at any time - there is no at will period. The bumper sticker example is real btw.

    Baloney - It depends on the state and the employer.
    And if you're a shitty employee, who disrupts the business or is unqualified, then you should be fired, after a few warnings.

  • There are employees, who, after being disciplined for shitty performance, will scream 'racism or sexism.'
    Employers know that, and their HR departments prepare for it.

  • @Sequencer1 said:
    There are employees, who, after being disciplined for shitty performance, will scream 'racism or sexism.'
    Employers know that, and their HR departments prepare for it.

    Sir, you're looking for Reddit, I believe.

  • @kobamoto said:
    but that was the point wasn't it.

    that's where the honesty comes in, when people suggest support for one party or the other it makes sense to include simple facts like that. Why would most Americans support republican policies when republicans aren't representative of most Americans?

    why would most people advocate for states rights over federal rights when republicans use states rights to attack women, gay people, and civil rights?

    the thing that makes Donald trump a great politician is that in spite of all of his lies he's honest about the most important thing which is that he knows the soul of America, that's why he can shoot somebody on 5th ave and get away with it, and that's why he can get away with birthirism and still get voted into office.

    Glad to see your passion my friend :)

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Sequencer1 said:
    There are employees, who, after being disciplined for shitty performance, will scream 'racism or sexism.'
    Employers know that, and their HR departments prepare for it.

    Sir, you're looking for Reddit, I believe.

    I was responding to @cian, but thanks anyway.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @kobamoto said:
    but that was the point wasn't it.

    that's where the honesty comes in, when people suggest support for one party or the other it makes sense to include simple facts like that. Why would most Americans support republican policies when republicans aren't representative of most Americans?

    why would most people advocate for states rights over federal rights when republicans use states rights to attack women, gay people, and civil rights?

    the thing that makes Donald trump a great politician is that in spite of all of his lies he's honest about the most important thing which is that he knows the soul of America, that's why he can shoot somebody on 5th ave and get away with it, and that's why he can get away with birthirism and still get voted into office.

    Glad to see your passion my friend :)

    just sayin.. :)

  • @Sequencer1 said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Sequencer1 said:
    There are employees, who, after being disciplined for shitty performance, will scream 'racism or sexism.'
    Employers know that, and their HR departments prepare for it.

    Sir, you're looking for Reddit, I believe.

    I was responding to @cian, but thanks anyway.

    And I'll add - as a manager, I have been through this in the past.

  • @kobamoto said:

    @robertreynolds said:

    @kobamoto said:
    but that was the point wasn't it.

    that's where the honesty comes in, when people suggest support for one party or the other it makes sense to include simple facts like that. Why would most Americans support republican policies when republicans aren't representative of most Americans?

    Most Democrats aren’t supportive of most Americans either. The people in power on both sides are the problem.

    Robert who is trying to stop people that look like you from voting, who is trying to not pay you equally because of your sex, who is trying to fire you because of your sexual orientation?

    some things that are the same just ain't the same.

    Conservatives aren’t trying to do any of those things. That’s a liberal lie designed to divide us.

  • @robertreynolds said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @robertreynolds said:

    @kobamoto said:
    but that was the point wasn't it.

    that's where the honesty comes in, when people suggest support for one party or the other it makes sense to include simple facts like that. Why would most Americans support republican policies when republicans aren't representative of most Americans?

    Most Democrats aren’t supportive of most Americans either. The people in power on both sides are the problem.

    Robert who is trying to stop people that look like you from voting, who is trying to not pay you equally because of your sex, who is trying to fire you because of your sexual orientation?

    some things that are the same just ain't the same.

    Conservatives aren’t trying to do any of those things. That’s a liberal lie designed to divide us.

    Baloney. There are volunteers working at the polling centers who block minorities from voting. When you walk in, the first thing you do is give one of those volunteers your name. They check a long hardcopy list of names. All they need to do is mark or cross your name off of the list. If they don't want you to vote, they'll say that you cannot vote. Go to talk to their supervisor and they'll look at the hardcopy list of names, see that your name was already marked off, and they'll say that you've already voted.

    That has happened to me, and I lived in the state for years. Get your facts straight!

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