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On another occasion, I gave the polling center volunteer my very Anglo name (I'm a mixed-race American born and raised in the US; son of a military man) and she asked "What's your real name?" I said "Huh?" She said "When you got off the boat, what was your original name?"
Plus several other instances when the polling center volunteer repeatedly asked me if I had voted already. Of course I hadn't. And I don't live in a cemetery. I've never had run-ins with the police - I'm a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen. And am a friendly person too, so don't you dare discriminate me purely based on the way that I look.
The modern GOP's voter suppression efforts -- largely focused on African Americans is well documented. Their willingness to treat the right to discriminate against LGBTQ people and framing it in terms of freedom (as in "the freedom to discriminate based on religious belief is well documented. The Trump administrations cruel policies of family separation for immigrants and asylum seekers is well documented.
These are facts.
It is certainly your right to agree with those policies and feel that they are justified. But if you in good faith don't believe that these are facts, would you be open to their evidence?
I think this Democrat vs Republican crap is pointless and stupid.
It reminds me of a sport, where fans of each team shout at each other and sometime get into fights over a game that they are not even participating in.
When I read the comment section of various political news articles, and the insults slung on Internet forums. It's always the same pattern of name calling intermixed with a heavy rhetorical usage of logical fallacies.
At this point I'm convinced most people don't even know what they are arguing about. Their minds have been so brainwashed by a barrage of Advertising, Educational Insitutions, Corporate sales, TV, Movies, Sports, News, and Social Media, all repeatedly pounding the same message in their minds over the last few decades, that everything is a battle to be won by one individual or group, and lost by some other individual or group.
It's all Trump ever talks about too, winners and losers, and it's a pathetic, petty, small minded way of viewing the world. It's black and white thinking. And it leaves no room for any intellectual process to occur where information is assessed, studied, analyzed, educated conclusions drawn, and plans made based upon rational thought and applied logic.
Instead it just a GAME. Nothing but a stupid GAME. A fools game of winners and losers where all that matters is winning at any cost. Just to pump up insecure egos with beliefs of being superior to all who can be called the losers based upon made-up criteria, and delusional conceptualizations about some imaginary victory that not one of the participants can even put what they think they are fighting for into detailed, objectively constructed, written words.
And it's all the political parties that are now playing this same ridiculous, petty game for fools.
This is nothing but a political equivalent of "road rage".
Doesn't stop it, but it slows it down. Washing with soap breaks down the fat on the virus and kills it off, and you have less chance of getting it if you keep away from people that already have it.
By slowing infections down the hospitals are better able to cope, and it gives the lazy bastards in government more time to produce the safety equipment and medical resources we're short of.
Since it's not a living organism (it's a protein molecule), there's a theory it could be almost wiped out altogether if we starve it of life via infections, or become more maneagable, or it may mutate into a more benevolant form (that's the general pattern, from what I've read). And obviously that then gives scientists more time to come up with a vaccine.
But it looks like the virus also thrives on stupidity, and watching everyone here going around their business as normal, not social distancing, and fighting each other over toilet rolls, it's going to have a proper feast before any chance of a slowdown.
So my advice to anyone is keep your heads down, stay at home and wait until the worst of the storm has passed. That's assuming it does.
Seems the US and UK are in a similar position right now. Both Boris and Trump ignored advice for far too long trying to protect the economy, not testing people etc. Both seemed to have the entitled opinion that we were too ‘developed’ for this virus to affect us like other countries. They’ve both finally submitted to it now and we are all left bracing ourselves for the tsunami wave coming towards us!
Less than 20,000 deaths in UK, and less than 100,000 in the US being held up as good ‘targets’ now. Could have been a lot less looking at Germany and other countries that ramped up testing.
I bet they’ll both be branded as heroes when this is all over 🤔
Good bit of writing from John Crace on the UK governments performance:
"it seemed to me almost inevitable that what was happening in China back in January would be coming to Europe down the line. And yet the government did almost nothing except argue whether Big Ben should bong for Brexit, fail to deal with the floods and take 10 days off over the half-term break. Ministers may have been working flat out for the last three weeks, but if they had started a couple of months earlier we might have had a more coherent plan in place. Not to mention more coronavirus tests, ventilators and protective equipment for NHS workers."
money itself is the babylon system![:) :)](https://forum.loopypro.com/resources/emoji/smile.png)
injoying all posts, but i found what @horsetrainer said interesting
that some people would never be able to amass fortunes of the sizes that some of the wealthiest people in the world have. Because we would feel sick if we didn't use that kind of wealth for somehow trying to make the world a better place.
now i know money isn't the virus of the title, but it certainly passes among us with consequence
i believe under a 'healthy' monetary-wealth-exchange-system, the wealthy individuals would be applouded
@horsetrainer said what is "right and wrong", "fair and unfair", "ethical and unethical"...
to this i would like to add "controlling and uncontrolling"
i, for one, have no desire to control and enterfear into other people's harmless going ons and stories - other people and well established systems believe they have the right to
(the criminal criminalisation of the mushroom in the uk waking me up to this)
it also makes me ponder the question that i have heard posed before 'our are society mechanisms currently geared for the sociopathic personality?'
growing vs building
@horsetrainer political road rage ... x vs y ... y vs yy ... wound up is wounded ...
i think it's healthy to have a space to express our thoughts and e-motions, they seem to breathe hot in our society, i know i have felt them burn in me , i think it's the e-energy as it moves through our body t![](https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/8q/9uxs1k5n5l6d.jpeg)
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I’d say that one way of thinking about it is that if you look at an organisational chart, or a segment of the working population, and took the top and bottom decile, ie the top of an organisation, and the bottom of the organisation – no wait, make that the top 1% and bottom 10% instead, those groups both have something in common in contrary to the huge middle section. The bottom 10% might perpetually think “fuck it, this isn’t important, I can always go find another job” (even though it might realistically be hard, the mentality is that they’re always one step away from walking out). The top 1% – the founders – might prize the efforts and achievements of the organisation but they always know that if it fails, if it gets bought out, if it simply stops, they can always start another.
The huge middle section from workers up to top managers all cling on and protect at all costs the situation they’re in. They can’t or won’t walk out, they can’t start another situation like the one they’re in. They just want to keep the boat from rocking.
lol, to divide the Republican Party from who, whom is it that poor old Mitch mcconnel and the president are being divided from?
I bow down to yours and everybody else’s superior intelligence and word power on this thread, I’m learning a lot. Thank you. I am thick and know nothing about politics, but I do understand a bit about spot. See, it’s been less than a month since it came to an abrupt stop and already I’ve forgotten how to spell it.
The fans DO participate in spot, either in person stood on cold terraces at the stadium or by virtual means sat on warm sofas in living rooms. Fans kick every ball, argue about referee or VAR decisions, compete with rival fans (a few physically in disused warehouses, the majority vocally at the ground), and we all worship our team.
When hopefully in a year’s time we’ve got a grip on COID-1, it would be my honour to escort you to a fotball match in Enland to meet the boys. I promise you’ll be safe. Until then, please practice this chant at home. You are now a Blue.![:) :)](https://forum.loopypro.com/resources/emoji/smile.png)
Millions of fans miss our fotall. Fucking virus.
every vote and every piece of legislation is quantifiable.
the birtherism by President Trump, the candidate of the Trump supporters who voted Donald Trump into office is quantifiable... Liberals didn't make you vote for a man like that with those kinds of ideals, and why mention liberal lies when the candidate that trump supporters put forth has now put forth 16,000 lies with the count growing almost daily? Trump supporters may not like liberals but they love lies and seemingly can't get enough of them from their elected leaders.
@u0421793 true true
@Bluepunk football to me is the sound o sea - i've eelistening to old commentaries
come on you Saints!
i found much i agreed with in this essay ...
https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/the-coronation/?_page=5
(some skimming did occur)
Spent my lunch break reading right-wing Twitter for fun. Candace Owens, Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro. Wow. With the exception of Ben Shapiro (who to his credit does seem to have some grip on the reality of the situation) it’s a cesspit of denial. Candace Owens is tripling-down on the “it’s just the flu” takes. America is going to be hit hard.
I think a lot of that stuff is a grift.
Except that there are echo chambers downplaying the threat of the virus even now, with all evidence to the contrary being dismissed as some sort of conspiracy to crash the economy and/or hurt Trump. Millions of people believe this.
I'm not saying this stuff doesn't have consequences. I'm just don't think they really believe it. If you assume they're cynical grifters who don't give a damn about the impact of their words, you're probably not wrong.
I LOVE spot!
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I wasn't very articulate in my post. What I meant -- and this is a real question that I wonder about -- is that I wonder if the people that thought hand-washing was sufficient to prevent an outbreak have woken up to the reality that they were wrong -- that much stronger action was/is needed.
Or, do those people still think that this is nothing more than colds and the flu and that hand-washing is sufficient.
(Hand-washing IS super important -- but it isn't enough.)
The current situation in the U.S. was totally avoidable with early action.
Sigh.
If they actually do understand what is going on then it is far worse than a grift because people are dying as the result of their actions. So, if they actually understand what the situation is and are continuing the "grift" as you put it then the foreseeable consequences of the grift is people dying.
Given the foreseeable consequences of their negligence, they are guilty of homicide.
There seems to be a lot of false dichotimization in the conversations about politics. Or "it's just politics" as if that means that both sides of all political debates are equally guilty of their imperfections.
Politics IS important. The GOP in the post civil rights era have been very successful in their both-sidesism.
Just because both sides of a political debate are imperfect, does not mean that there imperfections are of equal weight. But, since the democrats include a fair number of idealists who think that pragmatism is an evil, the GOP (whose base is much more pragmatic and cares much more deeply about defeating enemies than the D's) is able to turn them away from politics by simply pointing to imperfections.
Yes, Obama's immigration policies were divisive and harsher than previous administrations. BUT (and this is a HUGE BUT) the policies of the Trump administration are of a completely different quality and magnitude.
The GOP have been brilliantly successful in their tactic -- which has allowed them to have a huge impact on public policy and governance despite the support of only a minority of the people.
And to those that talk about African American voting percentages: if you have ever watched election coverage on anything other than FOX News, you would know that in any red state with a significant African American population that they have made it exceedingly difficult for many to vote. There tend to be far fewer voting stations in African American communities and the lines that people have to wait in are astounding. It is a miracle that people will wait for hours in bad weather to vote.
Politics are important. It sucks that they are. But, the fact is that who our leaders are makes a difference in our lives -- unless you are wealthy enough to be immune.
There could be an impending disaster in India due to the backfiring of the government's hasty social distancing policy.
People are herding together and spreading out of the cities all over the country, the exact opposite of what the lockdown was intended to do.
I fear for what will happen to countries like India, Bangladesh, Africa in weeks to come
https://twitter.com/hashtag/LockdownWithoutPlan?src=hashtag_click
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/india-wracked-by-greatest-exodus-since-partition-due-to-coronavirus
@simonnowis Thanks for posting the essay, will read it while eating roast rat for tea. As for The Saints, I don’t think they would’ve gone down this season...Danny Ings. Shame that Liverpool didn’t win the league. There’s always a silver lining.![:) :)](https://forum.loopypro.com/resources/emoji/smile.png)
@richardyot Sorry for the delay in replying, been spending a lot of time talking to tape recorders in interview rooms. Terrible acoustics. The interviewers didn’t like my vocal timbre, I wasn’t keen on the reverberations. Back soon hopefully.
Thanks.![:) :)](https://forum.loopypro.com/resources/emoji/smile.png)
I'm not even sure of what the definition of politics is these days.
It's like evolutionary linguistics have changed the meaning of politics to become a synonym for "a heated argument between inflexible adversaries".
I think there needs to be more "discussion about policy", and less "arguing about politics".
If politicians, and people, can begin to explain their beliefs about policy, and quit calling people childish names, this time of divisiveness might begin to calm down.
Monday rants: 1. Who has been stealing strawberries from the food locker?
On Sunday, President Trump, absent any hard evidence, suggested that large numbers of masks were being stolen from New York hospitals, citing an unnamed facility he said had seen a huge surge in mask usage. “How do you go from 10 to 20 [thousand masks being used], to 300,000?” he said.
And he didn’t stop there. “Where are the masks going — are they going out the back door?” Trump posited. “Somebody should probably look into that, because I just don’t see from a practical standpoint how that’s possible.”
Perhaps — just perhaps — the increased volume of masks being used is correlated with the emergence of a runaway, highly contagious pandemic? I wonder if Joseph Stalin ever said during the Battle of Stalingrad: “This doesn’t make sense. Normally they only want 20,000 boxes of ammunition. All of sudden they want 300,000? Someone must be stealing the bullets.”
Somebody must have a duplicate key! Search the ship! Thank you President Queeg.
Rant 2. His Elmhurst Hospital speech...
Yeah, he grew up in Queens and a fat friend of his has got it. President Empathy at work. Exaggerated descriptions of black body bags in the corridors and fleets of refrigerated trucks pulling up to hold the icy dead. It reminds me when he graphically and callously described parents emotions when he was present at a deceased’s homecoming at an air force base. “You think they’re strong, but they were hysterical and threw themselves on the coffin!” (My paraphrase).
Meanwhile, barely a word of praise or support for healthcare workers, and not a single word of compassion for those who have lost loved ones. No prez in my conscious lifetime has so consistently not given a shit for people’s suffering. But he can tell you the color of the building... as Birx said... he’s a genius with data.
It's all your fault 'Mr. Cleese', if that is your real name.
The Caine Mutiny.
I really like that movie.
The ending with Captain Queeg speaking from the chair during the court martial was classic.
Caine Mutiny ending scene
This video has made me "really" aware of the danger of Covid-19 virus. If he (in the video) say's what will come to us the next months is true, then we should prepare ourselves, because the governments in most countries have a lack of insight how to handle. Millions and millions of people are going to drown in their beds...
I don't know, man. A guy who describes himself as a "world-famous" surgeon who does weight-loss surgery and has written 13 books? "Please hit share on this video...."
I have no doubt he has good intentions.
But this guy, who's an ICU doc in NYC is on the front lines, and this video is TREMENDOUSLY helpful. And CALMING. You have to follow the link to Vimeo, but I promise it's worth your time.
I wish someone close to the President could explain why hospital orders of masks have gone from 10,000 to 300,000. I suspect someone tried and just gave up trying.