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iVCS3 - EMS VCS3 Official Emulator - 06 march 2014

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  • edited March 2014

    "Modulating different parameters at audio-rate speed is one of the best/popular things about the VCS3/Synthi, and this should have been included from the get-go."

    I agree, but this is quite common in analog emulation software. It is often just enough to have a good looking interface, an average sound engine that may be copied from a paper about algorithms, some advertisement (videos are most important), and of course 100+ presets for techno/dancefloor with lots of delay and reverb. Many people don't do own patches, they simply load factory presets, so they rarely see what is behind the sound engine. Reviews and positive comments from people who are satisfied with the software do the rest. Many such softwares keep being popular despite their lack of genuine analog emulation.

    If people are happy with 'average' emulations, and do good music with it, I don't see a problem. What counts is the result, the music. People who have higher demands will prefer the very few softwares that are close to analog circuits, because they know how these sound like. It's also a question of age/experience.

    But this is just a general observation. I am not saying the iVCS3 is cheap. The demo video of the future update may indicate that the developers of the iVCS3 are truly interested in a good emulation of the original, which must include realistic high frequency modulation. If they match the sound with the quality of the GUI, they'll have done a good job, and the iVCS3 will become one of my favourite iOS synths.

  • Sorry for delay of update but WE are working on AudioBus State Saving too :-)

  • this is good news. Nice VCO/VCF FM, State Saving, this could become a real workhorse synth for me.

  • Just a quick post to say a big "thank you" for the iVCS3! I always wanted one of these since listening to all those early synth groups and musicians (Tangerine Dream, Jarre, Schulz, etc). I have to confess when I went to London's science museum I noticed they had one as a display and I spent a few minutes looking....

    I'm looking forward to the updates - but already its pretty interesting. As I only learn things really by doing them here is a kind of quick test track using the iVCS3 (whooshes, sweeps and burbles) and Korg's iMS20 (lead and bells and some extra burbles) - all held together with Nanostudio. Kind of a 1971 Tangerine Dream-esq feel perhaps?

  • edited March 2014

    @kitejan Really cool....great job :)

  • It has already been mentioned around here: midi sync/control of the sequencer would be nice for a future update. I want beats with my acid ;-)

  • Hey, all of you who've been playing with those ivcs3's knobs and sticks for a while now. Could you write a 'don't touch that knob' list for me and those like me who would like to learn but have no time/courage/brains?

  • I am helping beta test iVCS3. For those of you waiting for the Osc FM fix - it is amazing. I can accurately reproduce FM patches I got on the original Putney...even into very high frequency ranges.

    I've done a lot of FM stuff on modulars, and no iOS or PC/Mac soft synth I've come across has done it quite this well. I am also floored at how accurately Petrolati managed to model the unique characteristics of the Putney's filter and oscillators, and the way they interact with each other.

  • edited March 2014

    "Hey, all of you who've been playing with those ivcs3's knobs and sticks for a while now. Could you write a 'don't touch that knob' list for me and those like me who would like to learn but have no time/courage/brains?"

    in my opinion this is an approach that leads to no understanding of any synth. It leads to a 'passive' mode, where the only thing you can do is using factory presets. That's not bad at all, but you'll never really understand how the synth you use is actually working.

    I always advise people to load a blank patch and start creating a sound patch on their own. It doesn't have to be a good sound. It's just a start to understand the technology. With growing experience, you'll be able to create great patches, and unheard sounds, that nobody else has found.

  • edited March 2014

    Don't get me wrong @Phil999 I'm not a complete newbie. I've been messing with hardware virtual analog and now ios synths for the last 10 years and cabling and recabling reason before that. I know exactly what goes where on a VS synth but this is a slightly different beast. I've got the idea of the matrix routing and generally can follow the signal alright but I somehow find it difficult to undo things that I've done just by turning some knobs. I.e. Decay knob will do its job when I load the patch but then after a few turns of other controls (even without touching the matrix) it doesn't work anymore.

    Another question. Where the hell is the LFO rate? I've been trying to assign it to my controller but can't find it in the control manager? I am a little frustrated ;)

  • @supadom one of the most unusual VCS3 features is the trapezoid envelope. I would start with that - just patch the trapezoid output to Osc1 frequency, feed Osc1 sawtooth directly to outputs 1 and 2 and get familiar with how the trapezoid behaves when adjusting Attack, On, Decay and Off and Trapezoid Level.

    If the trapezoid "Off" knob is set all the way to the right then it has to be triggered manually (using keyboard or the Attack button next to joystick). Otherwise it just keeps cycling, with the speed and shape sort of "organically" determined by the combination of the Attack, On, Decay and Off settings.

    There is no LFO per se but you can use the trapezoid as an LFO, or a lot of people use Osc3 because it has a lower frequency range than Osc 1 and 2. But Osc 1 and 2 can be used as LFOs as well.

  • @synthmonk I'm happy to read your post...
    In next update there are some new Presets by me and other old EMS owners :-)

  • Just watched discchord's Tim Webb's vcs3 video. Not feeling so bad about being confused anymore.

  • @Phil999 said:

    I always advise people to load a blank patch and start creating a sound patch on their own.

    Except that i really struggle to create an empty patch on the ivcs3.
    Can somebody tell the dev to include one, please?

  • Cheers @synthmonk that was a good place to start from. All of those (attack, on, decay, off) we're changing the speed of the oscillation of the 'lfo'. I then added the other 2 oscillators and things got interesting. I tried to get the signal through the filter but couldn't quite work that out. I'll consult the manual or is there any good YT tutorials?

  • @supadom - the patching of the VCS3 is not the most intuitive...they were definitely going for "compact" rather than intuitive/flow in the design.

    The output is the "last" stage so you have to remove the pins that connect the OSCs to the output Ch 1 and/or 2 and instead plug them into the filter signal input. THEN get another pin and connect the filter output (from Sources on the left) to the output Ch 1 or 2. Make sure the filter level knob is turned up and the filter frequency knob is not all the way to the left.

    Or if you want you can leave the OSC -> output connection pins in, and do what I described above. That way you will get a mix of filtered and unfiltered oscillator(s) in the output. Anything goes with this perverted and beautiful beast.

  • edited March 2014

    @dreamrobe said:

    Except that i really struggle to create an empty patch on the ivcs3.
    Can somebody tell the dev to include one, please?

    I think there is no empty or 'initialise' patch in iVCS3. But you can create one by removing all pins (pinch with two fingers and select 'yes' in the dialog), and maybe setting all oscillator levels to 5.

  • @synthmonk every monk needs a synthi

  • edited March 2014

    RE: FM update: are we talking days, weeks or more before we get the update? Looking forward to this.

  • @Phil999 said:

    "Hey, all of you who've been playing with those ivcs3's knobs and sticks for a while now. Could you write a 'don't touch that knob' list for me and those like me who would like to learn but have no time/courage/brains?"

    in my opinion this is an approach that leads to no understanding of any synth. It leads to a 'passive' mode, where the only thing you can do is using factory presets. That's not bad at all, but you'll never really understand how the synth you use is actually working.

    I always advise people to load a blank patch and start creating a sound patch on their own. It doesn't have to be a good sound. It's just a start to understand the technology. With growing experience, you'll be able to create great patches, and unheard sounds, that nobody else has found.

    Sorry i just read your comment again. While you may be right when learning is concerned I don't think there's anything wrong with liking the sound of a synth and go as deep as one needs I.e. Find a patch that one likes and tweak the knobs that give desired/cool/pleasing results. Not all of us want to recreate the ocean, birds, motorbike or ambulance sound some want to use it in a more melodic way. One may say that approach would not give ivcs3 justice just like taking a 4x4 to pick up kids from school. I like the particular sound of this synth and intend to use it but I don't think I'll be learning all of the in and outs anytime soon (clearly nothing wrong with that though) ;)

  • edited March 2014

    that's true, but if you know the principles, you can recall a preset, and immediately go to that sound you like. For a sound designer this is very important. And a monophonic 3-oscillator synth with standard modules is relatively easy to learn.

    On the other hand, not knowing much about subtractive synthesis, without knowing what this pin and that knob actually does, is quite some fun. There's nothing wrong with it. I did that with my first borrowed synth when I was 16. I twisted knobs and levers for hours, without knowing any function, and it was very interesting. Ten years later I recorded an entire song with that synth. I couldn't have done that (creating several specific sounds) without learning each and every function.

    That's all. Nothing wrong in experimenting, I just wanted to say that there is no short cut if you want to learn subtractive synthesis. It's worth it to spend some time if you're really interested in it and want to do sound design. Then you also know why a certain knob has no effect anymore in a certain patch.

    Ah, crap, forget what I said. Do what you want, what makes fun. That's the most important thing I guess. Many people don't have the time to study all this, and download preset packs. That's alright.

  • Haha, sorry @Phil999 I think we on the same side of the fence after all. I'd be spending whole days tweaking things but life gets in the way. I have a novation x station va synth. I've programmed loads of patches on it but now I just want to get quickly to the meaty stuff. Tweaking is good though :). Peace

  • Here are some iVCS FM-based sound FX patches I put together to show the functionality of oscillator and filter FM. This is with the upcoming iVCS version that is still in beta testing. A lot of the patches use high frequency FM and some of them use simultaneous ring modulation.

  • A synthmonk has a pic of a synthnun... Cute.

  • I am quite fond of synthnuns.

  • Thank you for a great example of why FM is an essential part of the VCS experience.

  • this sounds quite real. I think we really can look forward to the update.

  • R_2R_2
    edited April 2014

    Update 1.1 is available!

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ivcs3/id665703927?mt=8

    Lots of enhancements.
    Runs much smoother on my ipad2 with IR spring reverb setting.
    Thanks apeSoft

  • edited April 2014

    Hm I've been hovering the buy button this for a while. But I'm not sure if it's gonna be another one of those "cool to check out" synth, then never use it again...The State Save, is it a proper State Save with the synths parameters saved in the AB preset, or does it just store what preset inside iVCS to call/load up?

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