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@ChrisG is a full State Saving support :-)
@sinapsya I wasn't expecting the audio rate modulation so soon -- thank you! For those without modulars it's nice to be able to have access to that kind of thing.
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@Sinapsya said:
Thanks! I'll ponder on this some more, it is tempting..
with this update this app finally sounds like a realistic emulation of an analog synth.
Some important info for who use iVCS3 with Lemur template:
In this version all CC are pre-mapped on some default numbers, so if you make a Lemur Template with this numbers, when you share to other people they don't need to map...
If you want you can learn CC the same...
All preset are mapped on Program Change, so you can change preset from any controller
Ops...pressed purchase. I think I'm gonna have fun with this. The manual seems a bit spartan, but I guess exploring all this will be more fun then reading the manual. Oh and from now on, all synths needs a joystick.
You only just bought it @ChrisG ????? ;-) - Yes - you'll have fun with it!
It is a great app @ChrisG, as I mentioned in a previous post it is the only modular type synth that has made any immediate sense to me. Be interested to hear how you get on.
Haven't really touched the matrix board yet. Mostly been dipping my toes into the existing presets and messing around with those.
I discovered the flanger, delay and compressor on the backside (after checkin out the iVCS Lemurized template). And that each channel, L/R, could be adjusted separately here. Obviously I turned it all up eleven, the compressor and flanger with slightly different LR settings, and a smooth juicy bass sound to begin with. And this thing can really sound absolutely massive! And really loud...:(
! So been making a few massive growler lead and bass sounds.
Much left to discover, but it's fun!
@ChrisG I heartily recommend running drums/beats through it.
@papertiger said:
Thanks, hadn't thought about all that yet. Will definitely be next up
Is it possible to switch octaves on the keyboard? I mean just a simple up/down thing? The lemur template allows full range with its keyboard, but I gotta be missing something inside iVCS here(?).
A pretty nasty and mangled sounding thing with Sector and iVCS. Very monotonous, but someone who knows what they're doing might wanna clean it up and add some more notes lol
Audiobus preset 'CG Mangled Flanged Sector & iVCS': http://preset.audiob.us/DTAQpRCrjz9PMe2
@Sinapsya's take on it = much better
http://preset.audiob.us/5V0UZ5hvv6T4EPG
Hello,
I am delighted by this émultation the iVCS3 with which I find my reflexes I had when I used the Ems Synthi Aks . A "Synthi Ak"s with whom I worked for 13 years in 1981. Now, I work with Buchla 200e. I like this emulation amazes me every day and with whom I spend a lot of time to understand and create my own patches. On the iPad, this is for me, the best application for synths. I start with a blank template and I go on improvising musical journey. I am also very pleasantly surprised by the possibility of very fine adjustments to settings. It's great ..
Designers have done a tremendous job of programming to bring this synth that allows real sonic explorations. What I like is the ability, in particular to introduce the three oscillators or frequency filter, frequencies very specific Hz. So, this iVCS3 is also a very nice educational tool and it allows me to explore concretely, with a soundstage in height, territories microtonality. I like this emulation
And indeed, I have a question on setting the virtual keyboard, DK Keyboard. I understand how to tune the keyboard , especially from the frequency of F # ( 369.99 Hz) with "Frequency" , how to adjust the tuning frequency with Tuning Spread , but instead I remain clearly with a division of 12 semitones octave , hence the question, how to obtain a division of the octave into 24 parts ( quarter note ), 19 or 21 notes / octaves ?
Does anyone have the solution?
Sorry for my bad english.
@Deb76 said:
Ups, it is possible! I just reread the manual.
But i dont use ivcs3 for that kind of stuff, sorry.
Just keep on trying.
but if u found it please post an ab2 preset thats says microtonal
however there is little miss scale oven
http://www.microtonalprojects.co.uk/lmso.html
But I am not sure if ivcs3 understands that kind of pitchbend.
I would try the following:
-install the Scala software on your computer, including those scl files
-in Scala, load a microtonal scale (.scl file)
-set the MIDI input to a physical keyboard
-relay the MIDI output (on a single MIDI channel) to iVCS3
-in iVCS3, use the 'normal' keyboard tuning
Because it is a monophonic synth, this should work. I've done this with several hardware synths (modular systems). Scala uses MIDI pitch bend information to detune each note, and you can load and save the .scl files. However, the internal iVCS3 keyboard and sequencer cannot be used for microtuning (except if one changes the input level, but then it is still straight and not varying like with Scala).
Hello,
Lala and thank you for your quick responses Phil999 . Two things I saw on the manual you could get a division of the octave other than 12 notes / Octaves : "this is good for using other scales like quarter tone , 19, or 21 notes / octaves) etc. ... The "etc" I am very interested .
Phil999 , in this case , the "midi" and Scala Files does not interest me, I want to work exclusively with the frequency in Hz. Otherwise , yes, I know the "Scala" files or convert them into ".Tun" file. I use especially with Zebra 2/Diva and Pianoteq 4. Files Besides, you can edit or create directly with a word processor. Ultimately, it is simpler than the Scala program.
With "Spread Tuning" , I get microtonals adjustments, including quarter-tone. But the octave is always divided into 12 parts. So I did a partial result. I want have arrived to divide the octave into 24 notes or 19, 21, (48 - 96 ?) ... What I do not understand is how with iVCS3 I can divide the Keyboard DK 24 , 19 or 21 parts. What is the exact procedure ? What is the setting I need to change and how exactly ?
Then, for the calculation microtonal I control pretty well with a pencil and a sheet of paper and a calculator, calculate progressions highlighted by Novaro is very simple in 'n' temperaments ....
I work for fast calculations with Open Music IRCAM (freely distributed), as this example patch that calculates me frequencies on an octave quarter tone:
http://www.deb8076.eu/PedagoOpenMusic/24eoctaveCalculOM.JPG
I also made a PDF with examples, with the list of frequencies 19, 21 and 24th octave, I put the link on a table with the names of the notes, their equivalence midi note and frequencies 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8th tone; Finally I put links on Augusto Novaro tables that allow 2nd to 53rd octave calculate very quickly with increasing frequency indices. The calculation is easy to do as with a desktop calculator or computer or Excel:
http://www.deb8076.eu/PedagoOpenMusic/CalculsExemplesOMTemperamentsA.pdf
I dont think ems had the alpha scale in mind when they did that,
lol alpha scale wasnt even invented then. The ect. means more something like "12,3 something funky" notes/octave. I guess its more a byproduct of wonky cv power ...
I advance, I think I understand the principle. I managed to get a scale of 22 octave. But I must affine.
In fact, the solution is in the manual setting for frequencies on the keyboard does not happen with Tuning Spread when the DK is Voltage controller but with inputs Input Level : "When you use DK as Voltage Controller, Tuning spread can be done
by the Input Level (Ch.1 or 2) on the main panel.
Also notice the DK Keyboard, puts a 1V for octave output, well, you need to
trim this voltage using the Input Level Channel 1 or 2 to 0.32v if you want 12
notes within an octave, if input level knobs are at other settings you ll get +-
tones per keyboard octave, this is good for using other scales like quarter
tone, 19 or 21 notes/octave or such."
In contrast to the following explanation:
"Also notice the DK Keyboard, puts a 1V output for octave, well, you need to
this voltage trim using the Input Level Channel 1 or 2 to 0.32v if you want 12
Note Within an octave, if input level knobs are any other settings you ll get + -
tones per octave keyboard, this is good for using other scales like quarter
tone, 19 or 21 notes / octave Such gold."
I do not understand how it's done to decrease the voltage to switch from 1V to 0.32V ...
Just turn the input level down, on the front panel, not the keyboard controlls!
I dont have a tuner right here, but this is going in the direction u want to go
Audiobus preset 'More Tones Per Octave': http://preset.audiob.us/FI9c817p0BmDABy
@Deb76 said:
that part I also don't quite understand. I just assume it is right. I have a CV keyboard (Roland 4CV), I could measure the voltages ... I could measure voltages from the MIDI-CV interfaces ... but I'm not really interested in that. To equally spread an octave over 22 or 53 keys I simply don't find much of interest. How are you going to play this keyboard? I find the microtonal approach via Scala makes much more sense. But I'm not a musician, and learning every day. I would like to know why you seem to prefer this CV method.
I also use Diva with .tun files, and Aalto with .scl files. And logically (for me) I use monophonic synths with .scl (Scala) and pitch bend. Everything lines up, all synths are in the same microtune. I haven't tried though with iVCS3 yet, but there is no reason why it shouldn't line up as well.
Anyway, I'm very pleased to find someone in this forum with similar interests, and certainly with more knowledge about microtonality. There are a great many things I haven't understood, and I want to take the opportunity to learn more.
Thats what i was about to ask too, lol
With what do u want to play it? With a chromatic keyboard? I get knots in my brain only thinking about it ...
Hi phil.
Einfach vorne die inputlautstärke runter/hoch drehen ...
I dont know, i tried a lot of tunings.
The ones i liked are some raga tunings and chinese tuning and so on
But the crazy ones are interesting in theory but sound awful
And u cant play anything to it
U can only make simple music with it a basic tone and a melody on top - no chords, well u can play chords but its very hard to figure out what goes with what and takes forever, i think its trail and error and souns really queer...
Thats why the 12 tone chromatic scale was invented
22 tones raga
U c its just a basic tone and a melody
yes, I use the virtual keyboard of the DK iVCS3 but as Voltage Controller and changing the level of the Input Level on the main panel you pass zero to no change in tone, and gradually increasing the level input, we extend the interval between two notes frequencies. I'm doing tests to identify the correct settings. I use my patches Open Music for a list of frequencies in different temperaments and I check with an iPhone application, a tuner - OmniTuner - which displays particular frequency in Hz, unless Hz closely with such a display waveform.
@lala said:
In addition, when a synth is used as iVCS3, when you enter the sound in a tuner that displays the frequencies and deviations cents, we realize that we are immersed in a microtonal sound world.
I solved this problem with microtonality iVCS3. I settled, for now, the DK keyboard 1/4/quarter in tone and tone/48e 1/8th octave. This is simple to do, it just takes patience to refine the parameters and a tuner to check the frequencies. The result here:
http://www.deb8076.eu/Videostutos/IVCS3Temperaments80.mp4 -
Click on the link, the partition scrolls video to see the notation quarter tone.) Click the link, the video shows the reading of the file with frequencies that appear in the tuner.
I like inharmonic drones too, they have this suspense feeling
But when u play melodies with it i cant stand it.
I liked some of the asian tunings much better, it all about taste i guess ...
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