Do you avoid "subscription" apps for music making?

wim

@MonkeyDrummer said:
Does anyone remember where it was possible to have any topic, any topic at all... Anywhere... Come up and NOT have it turn into political bullshit?

November 6, 2018 is the day it ended I believe.

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MonkeyDrummer

@wim said:

@MonkeyDrummer said:
Does anyone remember where it was possible to have any topic, any topic at all... Anywhere... Come up and NOT have it turn into political bullshit?

November 6, 2018 is the day it ended I believe.

Yup.. onset of TDS...

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greengrocer

@tja said:

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@MonkeyDrummer said:
I avoid them more than a Chinese Virus

Viruses don’t really have a nationality or a passport.
If that was a pun against a certain politician, accepted

Funny, when a certain politician announced closing borders a lot of countries that preached open borders went nuts, but even those countries closed their borders now.

Now, this is off topic, but still:

Trump closed the southern borders on 20th march, right?
This is way later than all other countries i know of.

Which may be, because he thought that the US could never be affected and that nothing to do was required and that all experts in his mind were clueless?
Just guessing.

Nope. To be more clear.
Trump banned travel from China in late January. And there was world wide but especially critique on this measure from de Dems. Only South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore were earlier with travel bans from China and these countries are the most succesful in containing the virus. Travel bans from China were only implemented this moth (March) in the countries that critized Trump on the China travel ban.

Now, Old Europe did the same in late January.
At least several countries.

But that is not a “border”, what you wrote earlier.

Still, i now better understand what you meant.

Good
Agree that I initially wasn't correct talking about borders.

Besides the mentioned countries I think nearly everyone (especially in the West) underestimated the virus, from left wing to right wing governments.

& Let's hope we get rid off this virus asap

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inakarmacoma

Yes

MrSmileZ

What? Is this the ‘subscription on apps’ discussion thread? Did I turn left? Where am I?

david_2017

Yeah,... no.

Reasons are all mentioned

Excited which this big name is Rustik is talking about

ralis

I personally will not subscribing for any software. It is an immediate deal breaker. I work in an industry where I have to travel and be gone for long periods of time without reliable internet access and things happen. I had a laptop crash while I was in rural India and could not get a new one for months. When I did and returned to the states I found out all my IK multimedia soft ware I had purchased and did not get to use was "expired" and I could reinstate it for a nominal fee! This was never mentioned when I bought it. I have never purchased anything from them again and never will. They lost a customer for life.

When pro tools went to subscription that was my end point with them. I am still on PT11. Adobe CS6 and holding. I forked out thousands to these companies and an now they want month payments as well? for some thing I may not have a chance to use because I have to work to pay for this stuff. It is like insurance ( which is leagalized extortion) you pay all the time for protection and if you do not use it they don't give your money back minus admin fees at the end of each year (they use your money from investments and make money off of it) and if you do make a claim they fight it, try not to pay then raise your rates or drop you! What a scam.

So to all the companies that want to do subription based apps knock yourself out. I for one will never give you my business.

motmeister

It would have to be one effing unbelievable app for me to subscribe. Once I got my Synology NAS, I'm even in the process of closing out of DropBox. I feel that subscriptions are for folks who predominantly do one thing. But I'm kinda ADHD when it comes to my daily distractions, and if I were to subscribe to something then go away from it for a while, I'd be constantly berating myself for paying for something I'm not using. And in general, I think subscriptions are priced too high. Perhaps if their base price were much lower just to get a subscription, then the usage was metered, I'd feel better about it. So in answer to the initial question "why?", it's about the cost. I have been willing to pay pretty high prices for non-subscription apps because if I don't use them I can be fairly confident I can come back to them without having to pay while I'm not using them.

Toastedghost

Simple answer YES, have many apps, love most of them, always a sucker for new ones. But never, ever, will I do subscriptions, Netflix is the only one I do on the Xbox.

Toastedghost

@brambos said:

@tja said:
@wim, I think that paying "the next major version" for Apps is the right way!

For example, Wotja uses this{

Patterning 2 and Cubasis 3 used this route, launching a major new version after several years, and they’re still getting shit on every forum over it (“why aren’t you giving loyal customers a cheap upgrade???!”)..

I’m not convinced the majority of users are really willing to pay for new versions at all.

Yep, an upgrade should be just that. An upgrade, if you have a new radio fitted to your car, an upgrade, then you only pay for the radio not another car.

Gavinski

I understand why some devs feel a sub is justified, but here is the bottom line for me: iOS music app buying is already addictive enough without getting lumbered with monthly payments to finance your addiction. I do have a few subscriptions but they are for services / constant new content (Masterclass, and Otter, a live transcription app).

Sequencer1

I'd support subscriptions for my most-used apps, if it ensures that they continue to get bug fixes.

Wotja's method is fine by me too.

mrgum6y

Subscription is my number one avoid.
Currently, two is not offering any AUv3 functionality and
three is apps that only offer content packs. Although these are considered if there is a way to pay extra for unlocking an import my own (eg samples).

I do think it’s fair that people pay full price for the next new version, but equally would expect bugfixes and maintenance updates.

Cubasis 3 is already on sale, but Cubasis 2 is still being maintained for example.

jrjulius

Looks like I’m in the minority here, but I think it’s a decent idea under the right circumstances. We’ve sunk into a weird dynamic where customers want to pay $1 once and have the developer support the app for the rest of time. It’s ridiculous.

And given my consumer habits, for all the times I’ve spent money on software just for it to sit unused on my hard drive, I think a subscription would make sense. Korg Gadget, for instance — I’m always convinced I’m going to love it, and in many ways I do, but over time I get frustrated and move to other solutions.

That said, I would need to know there was adequate developer support in both senses. If it’s from a single larger developer (like Korg or Novation), I’d want to see frequent updates. If it was a large company offering apps from multiple smaller developers (something similar to Apple Arcade), I’d want to know that the developers were happy with the arrangement.

Maybe the ideal situation WOULD be similar to Apple Arcade. Your monthly subscription gives you access to Logic Pro on iPad and Mac, plus they work directly with indie developers to release awesome plugins on some sort of schedule — monthly seems excessive but whatever, I’m already dreaming.

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My lifetime license for FL Studio including all future updates will start looking much more appealing

Apex

I refuse to use any subscription based music apps. iOS, desktop or otherwise. If a dev goes to subscription then I drop the app and move on. No worries. Worst comes to worst.... I’ve got a studio full of hardware (thats paid for).

Strizbiz

At this point it just wouldnt make sense for me, Ive already paid for so many music making apps already that I already make music with. A new app? Maybe if it has everything I want in an app. At this point I have so many Daws but I cant name one that doesnt have a couple features missing that make me want to use it exclusively. But even then my preference would be to just buy it outright. I dont mind in app purchases, Ive bought a LOT of those

Littlewoodg

I guess I jumped past the thread’s political digression, but yes I’ve started to subscribe to things aside from Word, and Netflix etc.

I’ve subscribed to the Bandpass app on Android, and the Endless app on iOS. And now that I’ve done those two, there may be more now...

I had a hard and fast no subscription altitude but it softened for some reason. I think I wanted to support the developers...

jolico

Not even Endlesss.
Also cancelling Netflix and replacing with Disney+

Littlewoodg

@jolico said:
Not even Endlesss.
Also cancelling Netflix and replacing with Disney+

Disney+ is a subscription yes?

kobamoto

absolutely no subscriptions... ownership only (or what passes for it)

Toastedghost

@jrjulius said:
Looks like I’m in the minority here, but I think it’s a decent idea under the right circumstances. We’ve sunk into a weird dynamic where customers want to pay $1 once and have the developer support the app for the rest of time. It’s ridiculous.

And given my consumer habits, for all the times I’ve spent money on software just for it to sit unused on my hard drive, I think a subscription would make sense. Korg Gadget, for instance — I’m always convinced I’m going to love it, and in many ways I do, but over time I get frustrated and move to other solutions.

That said, I would need to know there was adequate developer support in both senses. If it’s from a single larger developer (like Korg or Novation), I’d want to see frequent updates. If it was a large company offering apps from multiple smaller developers (something similar to Apple Arcade), I’d want to know that the developers were happy with the arrangement.

Maybe the ideal situation WOULD be similar to Apple Arcade. Your monthly subscription gives you access to Logic Pro on iPad and Mac, plus they work directly with indie developers to release awesome plugins on some sort of schedule — monthly seems excessive but whatever, I’m already dreaming.

I have bought Cubasis, Nano Studio, Auria Pro and a large list of others on both IOS and Mac. I own them. They cannot decide to suddenly put up subscription fees becuase their MINE. If we are not careful we end up in a situation where a student needs to spend £800 a YEAR for a licence to run Photoshop. Support the small devs and stay clear of the big boys subscription model. Once you find you cannot afford to pay due to your work situation you have lost all your content. Look at how much a subsription could cost you over a year or the time you want to keep the app. If all devs followed the same model I would have to give up creating music.

david_2017

@RUST( i )K said:
Why?

I am aware of another MAJOR MAJOR iOS app developer who is going to probably do this in the not to distant future.....

„Not to distant future“ as in „drambo“?

My guess goes to Korg also

CRAKROX

No subscriptions here not even Netflix, I’d rather pay a one off larger fee and then pay for say yearly upgrades.

jolico

@Littlewoodg said:

@jolico said:
Not even Endlesss.
Also cancelling Netflix and replacing with Disney+

Disney+ is a subscription yes?

Yes, but replacing one with the other. Not adding another one to the monthly expenses.

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Never.