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@CalCutta said:
A hundred times yes (and we have seen some chatter about this being in the works)...and the ability to (micro) fade...pretty pretty etc.
i also had this (zoom)request back in the days.He answered like"use your ears"
Yep, zoom in and a full screen option for waveform would be very appreciated.
@Crabman said:
Well he wasn't wrong. An ear or two, plus the nudge buttons works mucho good in audioshare
I used to miss zoom but then got used to the nudge buttons. They work pretty great and just like hardware samplers of yore. I wouldn't kick zoom outta bed though.
I'd love to see Mr. Liljedahl tackle a full blown two track audio editor one day. We're still missing an awesome one on iOS and I reckon he's the man for the job. Were it built on top of the Audioshare code, it could be a mighty IAP.
@Shay Thanks for the feedback! Multi-play is on my todo already. Playing/looping a region is already possible, in the Trim tool. (No need to tap "save" if you just want to listen to a region). Regarding "move file", the idea is you can delete the copy in the apps where you don't need it. Now with iOS8, there's possibility to implement "document picker" and "file provider" extensions, allowing other apps to export or move a file into audioshare, or to import (copy) or read a file directly from audioshare. But it's a lot of work, so can't say when I'll finish that..
Zooming, yeah I know you all want it. Note that AudioShare was never meant as an editor! If I do a real editor, I can re-use the zooming-waveform code in AudioShare too. In the meanwhile, I'm thinking of an old fashioned select-range-and-tap-zoom-button way of doing it, tap another to zoom out back, etc.
+1 for zoom! Otherwise call me Squinty.
Thank you very much for your reply.
Thanks for the feedback and I think I can safely say that I wouldn't be the only one who would be thrilled to see you do a 'real editor' at some point, but would also be very happy with the 'old-fashioned select-range-and-tap-zoom-button way of doing it'.
+1
+1 for some type of zoom on the wave viewer when you are trying to trim sound clips. That's the one feature in this amazing app that I swear is in there, but isn't. Yes, the vertical bars are pretty effective at telling you when the audio starts, but they're basically a pixel wide, and can be quite hard to see.
Suggestion: The most useful feature for loop creators is the ability to use "snap" and "trim" together to create a perfectly-sized loop using the beat markers. However, I wonder if it is possible to set up a grid of the length you want (like 1 or 2 measures) and then slide that pre-framed grid back and forth over the audio wave free of snap. That would allow you to perfectly frame loops cut out of raw audio clips.
@j_liljedahl - Keep up the great work. The "holy trinity" of music app "tools" that you absolutely need: (1) A good DAW; (2) AudioBus; and (3) AudioShare.
What about instead of zooming the waveform, there was a loupe style point zoom? I think the primary use case for zooming is setting in and out points (is for me anyway). So maybe the waveform display stays exactly as it is now and when 'zoom' is toggled, a little 24x zoomed (or whatever) window is displayed below the in/out point(s) or the play head.
Like this sort of thing:
Would still want access to the nudge buttons so some UI stuff would need to happen but in the spirit of keeping Audioshare 'not an audio editor' perhaps something like this could be a good middle ground?
15 minute Photoshop knockup:
Circles because that's the way it's done in image editing software (to mimic actual loupes) but squares would work just as well if not better.
@StormJH1 Thanks, that's an interesting suggestion! I'll give it some thought.
@j_liljedahl said:
Here's some context as to why I want to be able to zoom waveforms in Audioshare: I'm currently using an iPad for everything, and would like to keep it that way. The current iPad landscape does not have a DAW that has comprehensive MIDI. There are DAW's that are great for audio, but the MIDI side's not there yet. Because of that, using an iPad DAW is my absolute last step in writing. Before that, I am using a combo of a MIDI sequencer, synth/drum machine/whatever, and Audioshare (IAA recorder, dropbox, "open in" greatness). I tend to trim samples as I go, and as such, my desire for zooming the waveform. Too impatient to rely on my ears, alone. Doing Play/nudge/replay/rinse/repeat makes me not trust my ears after a while. Seeing a close-up of the waveform helps. My 2 cents...
@StormJH1 said:
That's pretty much how BM2's chop lab is set up.
Just realized the loupes would also need a vertical center line to visually indicate current in/out position. Or show the right half of the waveform with the 'selected' color (for in/start, left half selected for out/end).
Already closed photoshop...
Edit: Edited it anyway. Bothered me too much.
@syrupcore: That's also an interesting idea! I'll digest all this and see where it ends
Beware the dam that is just a little opened and the helpful rushing in of those who ever want. -Some old dead guy.
Zoom, zoom, zoom. zoom, zoom, zoom. In on you, in, in on you! -Justin Timberlake.
ZOOM!
The magnifying glass idea is cool
I like all the suggestions made so far. Full screen waveform view would be really great! And everything else too. Maybe also a slice to beats feature. I guess I would really love a full featured editor based on AudioShare...
If I want to access my iTunes Library, AudioShare shows also the songs which are not stored on my device. In the settings, there is a option to show only music files stored on the device. This option is enabled on my device, but AudioShare ignores it.
Another wish: How about a microfade/crossfade option to avoid clicks when trimming audio sections in AudioShare?
Just to be clear, i'm only suggesting the loupe zoom as an option if it's somehow easier/cleaner to implement than the standard pinch zoom. I was sort of thinking the loupes would allow you to create a secondary waveform view at whatever zoom and not futz with the current code to display the entire waveform in the main window.
Another option (I literally have no idea if it's easier) would be a set of 6 prefixed zoom buttons above the nudge buttons (1x, 3x, 5x, 10x, 20x and ∞ or something). That would zoom the entire waveform display around the playhead. As long as you could still see your selection boundaries when zoomed, that would likely tick all the boxes as well. ∞ button would be a to-the-sample zoom. The problem with prefixed zooms is that while 10x may be plenty for a 30sec sample, it's useless at 4 minutes.
Like I said, I'm happy with the current nudge/ears method—I'm just spit balling.
forgive me if I'm not getting why it's so complicated but if JL implements a zoom feature couldn't it be like in the impc, is there a better zoom in iOS?
@kobamoto said:
the most accurate and precise zoom I've found in any iOS app is BM2 and it's not really even close (it's far more precise than iMPC Pro)
really? I have bm2, whats the difference, they both zoom into the zero crosspoint level, so what difference or trouble is there with the impc?
Yes, making a good scrolling and zooming waveform view is quite complicated.
Another idea is to do it like when trimming videos in the built in camera/gallery app on iOS: hold the trim handle still for a second and it will zoom in at that point.
@kobamoto said:
Beatmaker 2 will zoom further into a sample than iMPC Pro. As well, they give you the option of markers by either seconds, frames, or beats, and those get more exacting (and are extremely helpful if you want to chop a break down to a bunch of single hits or smaller segments)
i see, I guess coming from chopping before waveform views i haven't needed to zoom in any further than what impc offers I thought they were pretty much the same, of course when it comes to single cycle samples I wouldn't use a beatmachine for that etc..
but for single hits out of breaks I don't get anywhere near the limits of either of those apps zooming limits.
@j_liljedahl said:
so when you use that method how do you control the amount of zooming, is it by the length of the audio or…?
The camera style zooming in sounds good if easier to implement.
I definitely prefer all audio editing in bm2 as opposed to impc pro. Other than bm2 generally feeling more logically (irony!) laid out than impc pro. At least to me.
@CalCutta said:
looking at it now it looks like instead of zooming in til you reach a flat line the impc assumes that if you need to be zoomed in that much that you only need a little more than that much of audio in the whole file so it'll let you edit at the level of a flat line but you can't zoom to that level from a larger file, you have to have already disregarded the ends of the majority of the sample. anyway it's here nor there I know JL can do it better, and if you do implement it Jonatan it would be great if the current option could be kept in place as well.