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Elliot Garage’s new app is called “sEGments”

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  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @dobbs said:
    (it should also work if you enter it into the forum's "official" search bar since that's also just a google search ;)

    The tip was for restricting the search to a thread. The search bar restricts to the entire forum.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @espiegel123 said:

    @dobbs said:
    (it should also work if you enter it into the forum's "official" search bar since that's also just a google search ;)

    The tip was for restricting the search to a thread. The search bar restricts to the entire forum.

    What he means is following those directions but putting the search string with the thread URL as described into the forum search bar will work just as well as putting it into google itself.

    I added a wiki page for forum tips: https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=audiobus_forum_tips.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @wim said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @dobbs said:
    (it should also work if you enter it into the forum's "official" search bar since that's also just a google search ;)

    The tip was for restricting the search to a thread. The search bar restricts to the entire forum.

    What he means is following those directions but putting the search string with the thread URL as described into the forum search bar will work just as well as putting it into google itself.

    I added a wiki page for forum tips: https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=audiobus_forum_tips.

    yay!

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    Is there a way to export the slices and timing from sEGments?

  • PandanPandan

    Exporting the slices as separate audio files, one zip file, or any other direct way—no, but I hope one day soon (though the way it is now, limiting the exporting to EG Pulse, might be the preference of @ElliottGarage, which I totally understand.)

    The timing, I’m not sure what you mean by that, but the slice information is in a text file that can be extracted from whatever preset you’ve made. You can unzip the .egkit file (which you get by swiping on a preset in the list and clicking the “share” icon) and find it in there and I think you can swap those text files out with other .egkit files (folders). Wherever that text file is would apply its slice info to whatever audio file it’s with inside that .egkit once it’s brought (back) into the app

  • klownshedklownshed
    edited December 2020

    @Pandan said:
    Exporting the slices as separate audio files, one zip file, or any other direct way—no, but I hope one day soon (though the way it is now, limiting the exporting to EG Pulse, might be the preference of @ElliottGarage, which I totally understand.)

    The timing, I’m not sure what you mean by that, but the slice information is in a text file that can be extracted from whatever preset you’ve made. You can unzip the .egkit file (which you get by swiping on a preset in the list and clicking the “share” icon) and find it in there and I think you can swap those text files out with other .egkit files (folders). Wherever that text file is would apply its slice info to whatever audio file it’s with inside that .egkit once it’s brought (back) into the app

    If I've understood, I think he means export a MIDI file with timing of the slices preserved, just like Propellerhead' Recycle did back in the day. This is something I'd like to be able to do...

    This would allow you to play the slices with the exact timing of the original audio loop and speed up or slow down the tempo and retain the relative timing/groove.

    I used to use ReCycle a load to make groove templates in Logic; I'd recycle a drum loop and just 'steal the feel' and just use the MIDI data to create a quantise template and use it to add the same feel to completely different programmed drums.

    Which reminds me, it's not something I've done in a decade or so. Much of the music I've made on my own (rather than in a band) is a bit on-the-grid. Would be good to instil some more groove :-)

    The great thing about doing this in Logic is you can apply the groove as a percentage and subtly add a bit of groove or go the whole hog. I'd be happy if sEGments can do this (I've bought it but haven't used it yet!) as I can capture some loops on my phone to import into logic at a later date...

  • PandanPandan

    @klownshed said:

    @Pandan said:
    Exporting the slices as separate audio files, one zip file, or any other direct way—no, but I hope one day soon (though the way it is now, limiting the exporting to EG Pulse, might be the preference of @ElliottGarage, which I totally understand.)

    The timing, I’m not sure what you mean by that, but the slice information is in a text file that can be extracted from whatever preset you’ve made. You can unzip the .egkit file (which you get by swiping on a preset in the list and clicking the “share” icon) and find it in there and I think you can swap those text files out with other .egkit files (folders). Wherever that text file is would apply its slice info to whatever audio file it’s with inside that .egkit once it’s brought (back) into the app

    If I've understood, I think he means export a MIDI file with timing of the slices preserved, just like Propellerhead' Recycle did back in the day. This is something I'd like to be able to do...

    This would allow you to play the slices with the exact timing of the original audio loop and speed up or slow down the tempo and retain the relative timing/groove.

    I used to use ReCycle a load to make groove templates in Logic; I'd recycle a drum loop and just 'steal the feel' and just use the MIDI data to create a quantise template and use it to add the same feel to completely different programmed drums.

    Which reminds me, it's not something I've done in a decade or so. Much of the music I've made on my own (rather than in a band) is a bit on-the-grid. Would be good to instil some more groove :-)

    The great thing about doing this in Logic is you can apply the groove as a percentage and subtly add a bit of groove or go the whole hog. I'd be happy if sEGments can do this (I've bought it but haven't used it yet!) as I can capture some loops on my phone to import into logic at a later date...

    Oh! I get it now. Yeah, I’d love to have that too, in sEGments or anything really for the same reason you do. As is, sEGments is mostly a dependent AUv3 (and its standalone version itself doesn’t record/export a new audio or midi file or performance of its own).

    So the MIDI file would have to come from somewhere else, but sEGments would be a willing and able slave to it.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Pandan said:

    @klownshed said:

    @Pandan said:
    Exporting the slices as separate audio files, one zip file, or any other direct way—no, but I hope one day soon (though the way it is now, limiting the exporting to EG Pulse, might be the preference of @ElliottGarage, which I totally understand.)

    The timing, I’m not sure what you mean by that, but the slice information is in a text file that can be extracted from whatever preset you’ve made. You can unzip the .egkit file (which you get by swiping on a preset in the list and clicking the “share” icon) and find it in there and I think you can swap those text files out with other .egkit files (folders). Wherever that text file is would apply its slice info to whatever audio file it’s with inside that .egkit once it’s brought (back) into the app

    If I've understood, I think he means export a MIDI file with timing of the slices preserved, just like Propellerhead' Recycle did back in the day. This is something I'd like to be able to do...

    This would allow you to play the slices with the exact timing of the original audio loop and speed up or slow down the tempo and retain the relative timing/groove.

    I used to use ReCycle a load to make groove templates in Logic; I'd recycle a drum loop and just 'steal the feel' and just use the MIDI data to create a quantise template and use it to add the same feel to completely different programmed drums.

    Which reminds me, it's not something I've done in a decade or so. Much of the music I've made on my own (rather than in a band) is a bit on-the-grid. Would be good to instil some more groove :-)

    The great thing about doing this in Logic is you can apply the groove as a percentage and subtly add a bit of groove or go the whole hog. I'd be happy if sEGments can do this (I've bought it but haven't used it yet!) as I can capture some loops on my phone to import into logic at a later date...

    Oh! I get it now. Yeah, I’d love to have that too, in sEGments or anything really for the same reason you do. As is, sEGments is mostly a dependent AUv3 (and its standalone version itself doesn’t record/export a new audio or midi file or performance of its own).

    So the MIDI file would have to come from somewhere else, but sEGments would be a willing and able slave to it.

    ReSlice and Auditor on iOS can both export slices with a MIDI file that will recreate the original loop. It would be great if Apple loop were also an export option (with slice markers )

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Pandan said:

    @klownshed said:

    @Pandan said:
    Exporting the slices as separate audio files, one zip file, or any other direct way—no, but I hope one day soon (though the way it is now, limiting the exporting to EG Pulse, might be the preference of @ElliottGarage, which I totally understand.)

    The timing, I’m not sure what you mean by that, but the slice information is in a text file that can be extracted from whatever preset you’ve made. You can unzip the .egkit file (which you get by swiping on a preset in the list and clicking the “share” icon) and find it in there and I think you can swap those text files out with other .egkit files (folders). Wherever that text file is would apply its slice info to whatever audio file it’s with inside that .egkit once it’s brought (back) into the app

    If I've understood, I think he means export a MIDI file with timing of the slices preserved, just like Propellerhead' Recycle did back in the day. This is something I'd like to be able to do...

    This would allow you to play the slices with the exact timing of the original audio loop and speed up or slow down the tempo and retain the relative timing/groove.

    I used to use ReCycle a load to make groove templates in Logic; I'd recycle a drum loop and just 'steal the feel' and just use the MIDI data to create a quantise template and use it to add the same feel to completely different programmed drums.

    Which reminds me, it's not something I've done in a decade or so. Much of the music I've made on my own (rather than in a band) is a bit on-the-grid. Would be good to instil some more groove :-)

    The great thing about doing this in Logic is you can apply the groove as a percentage and subtly add a bit of groove or go the whole hog. I'd be happy if sEGments can do this (I've bought it but haven't used it yet!) as I can capture some loops on my phone to import into logic at a later date...

    Oh! I get it now. Yeah, I’d love to have that too, in sEGments or anything really for the same reason you do. As is, sEGments is mostly a dependent AUv3 (and its standalone version itself doesn’t record/export a new audio or midi file or performance of its own).

    So the MIDI file would have to come from somewhere else, but sEGments would be a willing and able slave to it.

    sEGments is the only app that could produce the correct MIDI file because that's where we slice our audio.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Segments will not load for me in an fx slot in aum. Anyone else? IOS 13.7 3rd gen Pro 12.9

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Reinstall fixed it

  • RajahPRajahP

    Wasn’t there some ‘talk’ of integrating sEGments and Pulse? I mean, they can have a nice baby like Koala.. 😎

  • wimwim

    @RajahP said:
    Wasn’t there some ‘talk’ of integrating sEGments and Pulse? I mean, they can have a nice baby like Koala.. 😎

    You can export from sEGments to an EG Pulse kit. No timing, only slices to pads.

  • RajahPRajahP
    edited February 2021

    @wim said:

    @RajahP said:
    Wasn’t there some ‘talk’ of integrating sEGments and Pulse? I mean, they can have a nice baby like Koala.. 😎

    You can export from sEGments to an EG Pulse kit. No timing, only slices to pads.

    Any videos around? I guess ‘timing’ would be critical..

  • wimwim
    edited February 2021

    @RajahP said:

    @wim said:

    @RajahP said:
    Wasn’t there some ‘talk’ of integrating sEGments and Pulse? I mean, they can have a nice baby like Koala.. 😎

    You can export from sEGments to an EG Pulse kit. No timing, only slices to pads.

    Any videos around? I guess ‘timing’ would be critical..

    That’d be a short video. Swipe left on a preset, select the little network-y looking icon, select copy to EG Pulse. And that’s the “deep dive” version.

    See 15:40 - 16:10 below

  • RajahPRajahP
    edited February 2021

    @wim said:

    @RajahP said:

    @wim said:

    @RajahP said:
    Wasn’t there some ‘talk’ of integrating sEGments and Pulse? I mean, they can have a nice baby like Koala.. 😎

    You can export from sEGments to an EG Pulse kit. No timing, only slices to pads.

    Any videos around? I guess ‘timing’ would be critical..

    That’d be a short video. Swipe left on a preset, select the little network-y looking icon, select copy to EG Pulse. And that’s the “deep dive” version.

    See 15:40 - 16:10 below

    Cool.. can be amazing with a little love.. Thanks..

  • wimwim
    edited February 2021

    Yep, if the import included a pattern with the timing corresponding to the slice lengths, that would be a real nice addition.

  • RajahPRajahP

    @wim said:
    Yep, it the import included a pattern with the timing corresponding to the slice lengths, that would be a real nice addition.

    Won’t mind doing an iap for updates...

  • NimboStratusNimboStratus

    Can it do multilayers? That would be cool

  • wimwim

    @NimboStratus said:
    Can it do multilayers? That would be cool

    No.

  • NimboStratusNimboStratus

    Trying to figure out what the best option for me is for a sampler and sEGments does look good. Seems like they all offer slightly different things but if sEGments added layers it would probably be the king of samplers.

  • wimwim

    sEGments is more of a slicer than a sampler. I’m not sure how layers would fit into that paradigm.

  • Jboy808Jboy808

    Is there a way to play with the pads in segments inside NS2? I play but no notes are sent to the piano roll? If I use the keyboard it works, but not the pads. Also is it possible to send the segments to a slate kit?
    Great App apart from this.

  • auxmuxauxmux

    I'd love a reverse option of importing EGP kits into Segments, since Segments since it has modulation controls for start/end. Want to do some Digitakt-ish sample manipulation.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2021

    @Jboy808 said:
    Is there a way to play with the pads in segments inside NS2? I play but no notes are sent to the piano roll? If I use the keyboard it works, but not the pads.

    [edited...]
    sEGments doesn't send midi out from its pads.

    Even if it did, NS2 doesn't record MIDI from any MIDI FX unless you jump through hoops to send the MIDI out of NS2 and back in on another track.

    Also is it possible to send the segments to a slate kit?

    Segments only has direct export to the format of the EG Pulse app. You can sample each segment individually to a Slate pad. I'm not the best person to advise on how to go about that though.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @wim said:

    @Jboy808 said:
    Is there a way to play with the pads in segments inside NS2? I play but no notes are sent to the piano roll? If I use the keyboard it works, but not the pads.

    sEGments doesn't send midi out from its pads.

    Not true. The pads send note on/off if you enable MIDI out. At least in the AU.

  • wimwim

    @espiegel123 said:

    @wim said:

    @Jboy808 said:
    Is there a way to play with the pads in segments inside NS2? I play but no notes are sent to the piano roll? If I use the keyboard it works, but not the pads.

    sEGments doesn't send midi out from its pads.

    Not true. The pads send note on/off if you enable MIDI out. At least in the AU.

    Oops. Thanks. Missed that.
    Anyway, NS2 doesn't record the midi out without workarounds. That part I got right. Sadly. ;)

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @ElliottGarage I was hoping to reach out to you about an issue I keep having with sEGments. Love the app but I keep having issues with the pitch detection, and pitch shifting. Everything I load seems to say it’s in A. Also when you pitch it down, it doesn’t go in note order for some reason. It goes 0 is in A, but -1 is in C, shouldn’t it be in order of the semitones, like a piano?

    Has anyone else noticed this? I am only on iOS 14.4.2, but I’m about to go to 14.5 soon, so I wonder if that is causing problems?

  • ElliottGarageElliottGarage

    @Poppadocrock yes I've found the bug and I'm working on the fix. Thanks for reporting this :)

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @ElliottGarage said:
    @Poppadocrock yes I've found the bug and I'm working on the fix. Thanks for reporting this :)

    Awesome thank you so much. Love the app. Cheers!

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