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I'd say that if you are happy with Nembrini and unhappy with the THU Darkface (used with an IR) then you might want to not sink a lot of money into THU setup. While I have been using THU quite a bit (I have the Funk pack and the American Classics rig pack). There are some nice amps, but I am not sure that I like any of them better than the Nembrini amps I have.
There are a few of the TH-U that I am curious to try out (Tone Impera, Carolina, Boogie Mk V -- for its Tweed channel and the Vintage Collection because I've heard raves about a couple of the rigs) but that all starts to add up. My mine reason for wanting them is not to have a lot of amps at my disposal but to find one amp model (or two) that I will be happy to get to know and stick with.
@McD the 1970 Bassman rig, it’s my #1 rig. To my ears they got it perfect with this. Rich clean, satisfying Fender break, and handles high gain like a boss. It’s the perfect capture, my opinion. The Super Reverb has a bit more of a vintage sound, while the Edge breaks up with more rawr and has slightly more treble. With these three rigs it’s Fender perfection.
This one...
Fend Bass50 is the TH-U expansion library, created by Choptones, seeking to recreate the sound of a 1970 Fender Bassman 50
But damn, it’s got hardly any pedals on it!.
Boosted with:
• Ibanez TS9
• Mesa Boogie Grid Slammer
• MXR Modified OD
Same with the Super Reverb, hardly any stomps.
I wanted a Klon Centaur and some grit!. The edge on the other hand is plenty stompy!.
_ Stomp boxes
• Boss OD1
• MXR Modified OD
• Klon Centaur
• Protone Attack OD
• Marshall Bluesbreaker
• Ibanez TS9
• Mesa Flux Drive
• Mesa 5 Band EQ
• Dod 250
• Dumbler_
I’m ok with the Edge, right?. Are the stomp IRs good?. They worth it vs a single pedal emulation?.
OK. I'll probably pick it up before the $75 spend on he remaining amps. I'm going to see if an Opera Star
is a good judge of guitar tone. You talk a good game but this is so personal. Do you love the Polyphase (Polytone clone) Amp. That's something I just love. It's so good but I love a good archtop tone and this amp
gets me close even with a Chicken Scratch Telecaster. I haven't broken out my Gibson "Lucille" yet for a test drive. I need to get super clean first since it's so cherry. My most expensive guitar... purchased new
because they guy at the music store put it on ebay. So, I bought it on Ebay and went down to the store and
took it home. I paid what he wanted to get to make a fair profit on the deal. He was writing it off and he was a friend. He almost put a Parker Fly on Ebay but someone took that one home too. I regret not getting a Fiy. Weird lines to the design but so playable. I got the Tele from him... and a Guild, a Taylor, 2 Ibanez, a Strat and Godin Nylon MIDI capable slab guitar... and a Martin Travel Guitar and an Ovation tupperware
guitar to take camping. I miss that store. My wife won't let me go in the new local store. Smart woman.
Midi mapping working ok for me. In AUM by routing the midi through AUM's midi settings, in the standalone by selecting the midi interface in the Overloud midi settings.
Midi learn works well for me and it's good it gives you the option to then select whether your trigger is toggle or momentary (127 press and release). I found it easiest to delete all the in built mappings and start one at a time with what I wanted to avoid CC number clashes (and annoying messages telling you about them). Alternatively you can change a CC number in an existing setting, but press return on the pop up keyboard after you change the number or it won't stick.
I do have an ongoing problem with Program Change messages via AUM which I'm working through with Overloud support, but CC messages ok. I've been deep into the midi control, so feel free to PM me if I can help further. I've tried a few different controllers over USB and bluetooth on a few different iOS devices and they've all worked well.
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This is what you want to be looking at:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/Overloud/Rig+Libs/Choptones+Fend+Edge+Rig+List.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/Overloud/Rig+Libs/Choptones+Fend+Bass50/Choptones+Fend+Bass50+Rig+List.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/Overloud/Rig+Libs/Choptones+SRev/Choptones+Fend+SRev+Rig+List.pdf
The pedals you mention are baked into the capture, you can’t remove them, they’re part of a “rig”. You can always lower or raise the gain on the amp or adjust any other settings on the amp like EQ or tube bias. But essentially you’re getting a long list of “captured” presets of an amp. With the clean rigs I just add a Vanilla or Taxi Drive anyway. The rigs that are crunchy sound great also. You can see what’s in the rig but you don’t actually know what level the pedals are set at. It’s sort of like, here’s this amp with 100 different setups and miniature adjustments, presented to you on a platter. You can always mix the rigs with sim parts. That’s the fun part. Taking the rigs and adding pedals all around. But they also worn great on their own.
Think of it this way, they are modeling the rigs on the actual specimen. So they got a 1970 Bassman. The Edge is a Fender custom reissue, it has alnico speakers instead of Jensen and higher gain tubes. The edge basically wanted a tweed deluxe that was Voxy and hotter. The Super Reverb they actually outfitted with vintage parts. All these rigs are excellent and have plenty of crossover tone between them. The Edge has a higher amount of overdriven rigs to choose from, and it has more bite to the sound. If you like Cali reverb you’ll love the edge. Bassman has a rounder richer sound, but also gets the twang and crunch the same way as the edge. Something about it being 1970, it’s both vintage and modern. SRev has a more vintage bounce to the sound. There are many many more Fender like rigs or sounds from other amps. When I started with the rigs my 1-2-3 were Bassman-Edge-SRev, they cover a lot of the same ground.
@Bootsy it’s a hard no on the Suhr. I don’t get it, kind of ugly, crispy, not much personality, a little out of phase. Many other rigs doing what it does much better.
On another note, Friedman Buxom Betty rig, a total home run. One channel amp that blends and American clean with a Brit crunch. The amp actually sounds beautiful and unique.
What I look for in a rig first and foremost is the capture quality. Some rigs are too scooped, others seem too thin and distant. Some vintage amps don’t transfer well while some modern amps sound too robotic or soulless. So certain rigs instantly jump out for their sound quality. But I’m playing a different guitar and using different headphones etc... so plenty of this is subjective. There is a fair amount of great “sounding” rigs. But the details and feature sets of each appeal differently to different people. For me the Bassman rig is what I want a Fender amp to sound like. I think it will play well with strats and teles too. It’s has a richer color, but it’s not cold or muddy. It does the twang and overdrive too. I’m making a list tomorrow. Found a few more amazing rigs. It’s all about the amp voicing and the capture quality.
I love the Polyphone sim. Hmm what kind of rig would that be like...
@steve99, thanks, I'll give it another try, but if i have no luck you might hear from me
Thanks for your patience @JoyceRoadStudios . Really appreciate it!.
I so wish there was a trial mode, like bleeps after a minute kind of thing...
I don’t know if it’s doable or “morally acceptable”... Could you purchase a Rig pack and return it (solicit refund) if it doesn’t suit you?.
In this particular case... say I get the Edge rig and realize it’s similar to the Cali, but i like the Cali better... in that case I should’ve gotten the Bassman to cover different ground. It’d be good for their business if we could try them out, me thinks.
Thanks for checking out the Suhr rig. Sorry if I got you to buy bad drugs! Do you like the Betty better than the serenity gain? Have you tried any of the direct amp rigs with your ir cabs?
Bebop Jazz players don't use distortions and the only pedal I've heard any recommend are EQ's or
Boosts that add extra mids. So, that Polyphase amp, a nice Cab and some reverb or chorus would cover it.
So, I can't see a Rig which usually cover a very wide range of tonal colors being considered and packaged
as a Bebop Jazz Rig.
If the Jazz is Fusion(like Alan HoldsWorth or Scott Henderson) then you get a lot more colors, distortion and FX options worth creating a Rig Collection from.
I think the ChopTones Rigs are generally better. I find the OverLoud Rig I purchased to be uninspiring.
Good news... there are 37 Choptones in the store already. LRS has 4 and they are getting great reviews.
FWIW, Holdsworth didn’t use distortion pedals (though a company designed one to get his signature sound and he endorsed it. He generally used a few clean non-distorting boost pedals to raise the guitar’s input level to enable him get more pre-amp distortion than he got with an unboosted signal. He preferred using a few clean boost pedals with only moderate gain on each to prevent them from adding their own distortion. He said that he found distortion pedals harsh. He also tended to rollback both bass and treble.
I get your point. A good Amp provides great distortion. Those pedals were made for kids to get expensive amp sounds out of a really cheap amp. Guitarists buy pedals like we buy apps... just for the thrill of the new. Then they end up in a box or get a valued spot on a pedal board. But many guitarists just toss all the pedals and plug into a great amp.
The big win in recent technology is the power rectifier that forces the big power amps to distort at
lower volumes to get the great tone at room volumes. Still, many tone gurus just build a speaker bunker
in their home with mic's so they can run the Amp at full throttle and not get evicted or in civil court for
noise violations. Tim Pierce and Scott Hamilton have these designs for their home studios to use the
Marshall Cabinet at max volume. Scott Hamilton will take new speaker drivers and connect them to pure wall power for hours to "burn them in" for better tone. That's got to be crazy for his neighbors if any of that sound gets out. My wife can feel traffic near our house... I think she's wired for a pure flight response with high anxiety symptoms. It makes it tricky for me to make thumping noises that send her over the edge. Sometimes just banging on a keyboard upstairs when she's downstairs can drive her crazy. I tend to play piano like a drummer... I need to feel it in my arms. My hands soon start to complain with carpal tunnel problems and I have to take a month off. My drum technique is solid and I can play for hours without any issues. But I play piano like an ape.
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It’s a slippery slope because you’re returning already downloaded IAPs rather than an app. Last month I was scooping up rigs and there were about 4 I didn’t like out of 15, so I requested a refund within a few hours of trying them “app doesn’t work as expected” and all were approved. But the thing is you get to keep the rigs anyway, so felt like stealing really. Anyway my intentions were honest. More recently I got a bunch more rigs and asked for an refund on a couple, but this time they were “not eligible for refund” anymore. So I don’t know whether I just asked for too many refunds or if they wised up and these IAPs are not refundable anymore. Essentially I was using the refund option as my personal demo period. So yes they should offer a timed demo on these rigs, even 2 minutes. I don’t think it’s unfair to purchase as much as I have and request a refund on a few that aren’t good. Slippery slope.
The only way to change this is to delete the app and re-install and then request a reload of all purchased
IAP's.
@flo26 was honest that he paid for the full package and decided it wasn't worth it and got his refund.
But the app endures... so he ended up trying again when folks started to rave about it's audio quality.
This time he found some Amps that he liked. Since the full product includes:
It's quite possible to take a few days to find something that excites you... for @flo26 it was the Randall
Lunchbox Amps. Then he started buying Rig Collections and based on the classic boutique amps and
was in heaven. I'm sure he hit a couple rigs and got a refund. He's an influencer that OverLoud would be
wise to throw install codes at to generate extra attention on new products.
I think you can go crazy with one of the bundles and get amazing sounds just by stacking combinations
of Amps and FX in a single "internal rig" preset. And since they made it an AUv3 you have the whole arsenal of AUv3 FX to augment any of your designs with extra IR's, delays, EQ's, etc.
GOING FOR THE COOKIE... POST!
UPDATE: No cigar.
@JoyceRoadStudios, they should definitely allow demos. This is not a case where you can watch a YouTube video and see if you like an app. It depends on your guitar, your playing style...
No problem! I was interested in that rig before. Maybe it could be saved with Ownhammers. My first impression was the rig capture might be a little murky. Tbd.
Lots of the rigs list direct amp captures, yes they work great with IRs.
Betty and Serenity are both favorites right now, they’re quite different. Serenity has a huge amount of captures, many different high gain sounds that are amazing, they packed in so many different tone shapes of high gain. But the clean sound has a gorgeous voicing as well. Great capture. The Betty is more streamlined, single channel amp going Us clean into UK crunch, but there’s something about it that’s just beautiful, almost a singing echo in the top strings. Also great clarity in the capture. So they’re not the same, Betty gets you more classic tones with the Friemdan quality voicing, but Mezzabarba does a modern take on melodic rock gain (and some metal) and glassy clean with a voice of its own.
gets me close even with a Chicken Scratch Telecaster
Is the Polyphase the Jazz one included in the Funk pack?. What's it called exactly in THU?
I did this exact thing because I didn’t want the rigs crowding my space, but the rigs still stayed, don’t know why. I would hope they have they shored this up. It’s not a loophole I want to know about.
I tried the cookie rig, outstanding, love an in app snack.
UPDATE: requested refund
I don't think it's in the funk pack. It's actually called polyphone in THU not sure why @Mcd keeps calling it polyphase. 🤓 there is the jazz 120 in the funk pack though.
Thanks for all the help with these. Taking more than 1 for the team. Yes the Serenity almost seems like too good of a deal to pass up. I'm really more of a clean/crunch kind of guy but high gain can is a lot of fun. Might get kind of fatigued after a while and my hearing is pretty shot already.
Ok one more and that's the last one I'll ask about. Have you bought the tremolux rig yet?
I will pass on the Tremolux, though I’ve heard people like it. It’s because I already have 4 Fender rigs (Bassman, edge, SRev, Prince), Fender bundles (American classics, Vintage 1), and amps with Fender type sounds (Mark V, tone impera, Fried BE50 cleans, Fillmore 50, even Vox). Right now I’m finding the Mark V tweed channel just superb. There can be great fender sound found in a few of the sims too. LynchBox clean and tweed, Overloud’s tweed.
Which rigs do you already have and what sounds are you looking for? I will make a list with short audio clips soon.
Honestly I'm sure I have every sound I could ever need, either with these apps or all the actual amps that I own. I'm just having fun with this stuff. I have American classic, bogie fill 50, Brit 1987, angel scream (accidentally bought this one but I like it), BHS sold, Tone Impera, LRS unchained, and the 68 prince. Plus the full pack. So I'm pretty covered just can't help myself.
But there’s always a better sound around the corner! So your Fenders are Prince and Americans? You’re looking for twang?
CORRECTION: It's Polyphone Clean. I also noticed I have PolyPhone Distortion and don't remember paying for an extra amp so maybe they threw it in for free for my $5.
The Jazz amp in the bundle is the Roland Jazz Chorus amp. The Polyphone is an ala carte order for $5
or included in the ALL Amps bundles. It's not in any smaller genre bundles. The Roland Jazz is a solid-state
clean amp. No tube coloring. The PolyPhone seems to add some mid range coloring.
@flo does a survey of all the important TH-U Clean amps and the Polyphase stood out for my particular tastes. None of the other amp do a Jazz Archtop type of tone. When @flo26 demo's it he even plays a
classic walking bass line like a club combo player... it was so out of character for his rock image. But it shows that he studied all the styles to get that good.
He plays the PolyPhone Amp at the 8:45 mark and goes old school. At the 9:25 mark he tweaks the tone to "Dark" and breaks into the walking bass. That sold me. That fact that he knew about the Dark setting shows that he really drills into these amps to show them off at their best:
If you like Clean Amps this video will help you pick your first Amp buys. I guess it's worth remembering that all amps can be set to produce low distortion outputs and many will surprise you and no one would ever demo them with those settings.
the Lab 5 Clean amp, it’s exactly this, BB King jazz type, sorry for mentioning it 🤑