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Just a slight correction... for the rigs to be $1 you actually have to buy them first on desktop. So you can get the TH-U Full on desktop for €269, and that gives you access to the iOS full for only $50 instead of $110. But then you have to buy the rigs on desktop as well and they range from $29-$49. Then you get them for a buck each iOS. For sure if I could get full desktop for $300, iOS for $50 and then 50 rigs for 50 bucks, all that would be too good to be true. So in reality you’d have to add $1,000 worth of rigs to complete the whole cross platform.
This app is expensive app to be honest, and they really want you to get the iOS full. It just makes sense. And those rigs need be $10 each. Or I actually think they should charge a special rate for the “Rig Player”, let’s say $50. And that rig player should have an IR loader. And then release rigs for $5 each. So pay a premium for the amp module and throw crumpets for each rig you want. Because honestly if a rig is going to cost $27, it ought to come with the actual amp face design, reverb circuit etc if the original had it, and sexy period accurate knobs. Each rig capture in the long list describes an amp channel used, gain level, maybe a toggle setting, 3rd party pedal, cabinet and mic. But they don’t tell you how they actually set up the amp knobs on the original amp. Like, we don’t know what the reverb was set to on the super reverb or if the EQ band was flat on the Mark V captures. We just know what we hear and whether the rig sounds good or not. But this is why some rigs have beautiful reverb baked in, some sound already scooped, and some are dry and anemic. No way to know this from the Overloud demos since those are going through the “Preset” banks of those rigs which have pedal sims as part of the chain. This is why we have to trust that out of 200 rigs of one amp, we will find a few dozen excellent tones that need no adjustment. We can’t adjust specific characteristics of an amp capture, like removing the “reverb” or “fat” setting or whatever...
I’m compiling a sort of “wine list” of all the rigs I have, along with descriptors and my opinions, and some short audio clips of the actual rigs, no presets and no IRs. This may help those who are waiting for a sale to grab a few specific rigs. I am convinced that these rigs sound like the real amps they’re advertising. That is the selling point and why they’re expensive. It’s Kemper-like. I can’t think of another guitar app that has this right now, maybe I’m wrong. But the licensed Amplitube models are in theory same as licensed Overloud models. The rigs are a whole different game.
As for the sims, for me having the licensed Randall and Brunetti components and all fx and distortions justifies the full pack, even if I don’t use 50% of the stuff. The DVMark amps are also authorized versions but I have yet to love them. The licensed THD amps are good. I’ve noticed pairing IRs with any of the sims improves them dramatically, so as good as the THU cab emulations are, I only see myself using 2-3 of them in lieu of IRs.
It’s obvious that plenty of iOS musicians want to invest $10-$20 and nothing more. There is an advantage to having fewer choices. I’m quite overwhelmed right now, having only 5 minutes per rig. As many have said, save your money and your sanity, but at the same time, don’t deprive your curiosity. This snake oil actually sounds badass and goes on smooth.
Lol
Have purchased the suhr rig yet?
Thanks. I missed the critical detail.
I think there's a small group of guitarists that will drop more and more money into OverLoud's
coffers as they get bored and want to experience the optional tones of the traditionally cost prohibitive
boutique amps and add on hardware combinations.
This is right, I’m looking at some of these amps and they cost $2000-$4000 on the market, and I think I have to have those rigs. Then I see a rig for an amp that $799 and I think “pass”. But there’s an appeal, they are modeled very close. It’s almost like an audition for getting one of these for real should you desire it, or a much cheaper fix. I don’t think bored is the exact word I’d use, more like curiously frivolous.
I haven’t yet, but thank you for mentioning drugs to a drug addict. I’m off to meet the dealer in my basement. The Suhr looks very interesting. When you’re a drug addict like me you don’t stop taking drugs just because of a couple of bad batches, nor because of poverty.
I’ve basically skipped all the heavy metal amps, except for the Randall and some of the multi genre amps. Right now I’m obsessing over Mark V, it has a whole “Tweed”’ channel that sounds fantastic, plus the classic rectifier and Mark tones, it’s “40 years of Mesa in one amp”. Of all the Mesa
Rigs this is the one to get, it’s hugely versatile. I was warm on the Fillmore 50 but Mark V is better.
BHS Soldano, wow. The “Clapton lead”‘ preset is spectacular.
Bogner XTC, Tone Impera, Friedman BE50 and Jerry, Vox and Orange, Brit 1987, all in the rotation right now. I’m still sticking with Bassman as the best of the fender rigs, to my ears. Generally the thu branded rigs are a little thinner and more distant. I would stick with the choptones, BHS, and LRS.
Before Dumble, Robben Ford played through a Fender Bassman head. Alexander Dumble heard Robben and started switch from mod'ing Fender Amps to design circuits in his own designs that could produce the
sound of that Bassman. His first customer was Robben and he heard that Alexander had improved upon the Bassman DNA and created an amp that really became his voice for all his touring. If you see Robben live he stands in front of Dumble Amp serial number #2 I believe.
There's a parallel universe with Eddie Van Halen and a Marshall Amp mod'er named Jose Arredondo of Sherman Oaks.
Sherman Oaks is on the heart of the San Fernando "Valley, girl". For sure.
"All I wanna do is have some fun
Until the sun comes up over Santa Monica Boulevard" - Sheryl Crow.
It is said that there's no there, there in LA but it's really a patchwork quilt of neighborhoods wrapped around a dead core of a City Hall area. I knew an artist rented a storage garage in downtown LA for the
cheapest possible rent and threw parties with vats of vodka laden juice drinks. Good times. He was our
lead singer bass player for 8 years and now he's the Professor of Painting at Cal State University - Fullerton
after meeting the right woman who helped him finish his MFA and move into a house in the OC.
All the paintings I got as gifts in the 70's are from his abstract expressionist period and he produced 2-3 per month.
and now he paints like this and produces 1 every 3-4 months.
I'm sure he still writes songs and has a band. Mostly for the parties.
If I can out live him they might be worth something on the art market for my kids to
have sold at auction. Probably not. I think he stopped trying to be relevant and just
got into the craft of making brushed on pigments fool the eye.
Haha! I hear ya on the addiction. I started out with I'm only gonna get the free version of THu. Then it was well I'll get the funk R n b pack. Then the Carolina amp. Then I started doing the math and decided I better go full in before I buy any more ala carte. Now it's the rigs, I'm at 8 rigs now looking for my 9th. Kind of wish I would have realized what the rigs were before I bought the full. But oh well. I'm having a blast with all these amps and effects.
Yes! But I still would get the full pack because I would want all the pedals for the rigs. Ala carte only makes sense if you get one bundle and then all fx and distortions. But that’s already lots of crossover product there and you’re at $65. Full is the best “value”. As far as the rigs are concerned, I wish I could just buy my favorite 5 rigs and be done. I ended up sifting through a lot of good ones and a few meh ones, to get to the great ones. Which rigs are you enjoying most right now?
@Bootsy, so you think you would have been better-off ignoring the All-in collection (including the Lynchboxes) and instead spent it all on rigs???
Do the rest of you also feel the same?
One thing that I've failed at is mapping a midi controller to switch an overdrive on and off. The midi mapping page is really arcane, and even when I manage to make a controller mapping stick, it still doesn't do anything.
Anyone managed to do this? This is hosting in AUM by the way. Though I tried it free standing and it still didn't work.
OK. Dish. What are your fav's. @JoyceRoadStudios has an obvious bias for Opera so his views on
Amp tone is skewed up. He's looking for SATB voices to deliver realistic arias in the style of the Operatic
Greats (Clapton, Hendrix, Gilmore...).
But you might be come from a different camp and can shine the a light on the best tones for:
Joe Sat
Steve Vai
Kurt Cobain
Dave Mustane
Kirk Hammett
Marilyn Manson
...
More in a chamber music vein where the chamber is a "Death Chamber".
Dish! If you also like Opera styles that's cool too.
Yeah the full pack is really the best bang for the buck! The rigs are just so much fun. I just started adding amps to some of the rigs and all the effects are fun as well. As far as favs, tone impera is up there, I love the BHS sold! Bogie fill 50 and lrs unchained are great as well. I just bought the fender 68 prince even after you gave it the meh! I decided to use my Strat on that one and I think it works very well with Strat. Not as enjoyable with my les Paul. I had been using the les Paul almost exclusively on all the others and have loved it. I've been late for work almost every day since thu came out.
Depending on your budget, yes.
But a basic pack like the funk pack will give you a few extra useful amps and pedals
No, I'm glad to have everything. I've just been spending so much time with the rigs that I want all of em too, but I just have to slow down a bit. Barely have scratched the surface on these. I have all the Nembrini amps too and ge labs. I'm sick! I remember years ago when I first got guitar rig 3 on my pc, I said this is it, all I'll ever need. Haha!
And get cabinet IRs. Get one or two set ups that you love. Do you really need so many options?
I think the three basic genre $18 bundles can cover 80% of most recording situations:
Each has a custom mix of FX, Cabs and Distortion included. The details of each are on the OverLoud
site and can be pasted into this thread if we're going to 20 pages of conversation about tone centered on THU.
I'm sure there are Amp focused Rigs that would scratch every itch and they average $18 too.
But for that little boost of "new" just just keep buying... so if you have GAS just lay down $110 and
spend 6 months trying out the choices and learning what works for you. It's like have the right to load
up a van from Guitar Center for $110 entry fee. No kidding... this app is just massive in capabilities.
There's another desktop vendor called Neural DSP that's probably watching OverLoud sales data.
There are at least a dozen here going deep but overall I think their going to do well and probably never
have across the spectrum sales. They might discount a rig now and then or make some new bundles.
They don't need to have a sale and set our expectations to wait for at least 2 years, I think. Like Luis Martine they probably have set their prices and will hold.
NOTE: I'm also the guy that told everyone to get IK Multimedia before they are going to raise the price
up from $99. Two weeks later? $79 sale.
Yes to all of the above, unchained is great for plexi, the clean rigs are not the highlight. Tone impera very special. Really like the Bogie Fill because it’s basically a raunchier Princeton + the trademark Mesa gain tones. But I prefer the Mark V. So with the 68 Prince I paired an unorthodox IR, Ownhammer Zilla 4x12, and the rig was totally saved! Important to note that the Prince rig is all clean patches, no higher gain stuff. It’s kind of a colder Fender amp, not twangy.
And once your appetite for cabinet IRs is sated you can always start getting into guitar IRs.
I just bought my first one (the Strato IR from 3sigma Audio) to see what it would do to my Tele with splittable WRHBs in it. It’s subtle but definitely there and reduces mud a lot in some amp sounds. Gives things the impression of a sparkle, perhaps.
Now I’m going to get their 335 IR to see what that does. It’s a slippery slope, I tell you.
Yeah...I have noticed those for sale on some sites, wish I hadn’t.
It's a clothing store:
Smash mouth. The band that played at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally for that viral effect.
(15... only 5 more folks... lurkers... comment... ask questions).
In case anyone hasn’t heard the new Mezzabarba rig, just wow... and to think this amp actually features several hundred amazing high gain tones, but can still do this.
Also @flo26 🥇
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/41287/overloud-s-mezzabarba-clean-sounds#latest
I'm telling you those Italians know Opera, right? The Germans can touch the eternal but the Italians
move the heart... to tears of joy. What Opera is this Rig most like? Is it the beloved "Tosca" of rigs.
If not, which has that power for a baritone's temperament?
Lol! It does sound a little like a viola to me, or some sort of Italian spaghetti melodrama. The Ennio Morricone of rigs.
Good analogy. A must buy. "The Amp with no name."
I feel lucky, punk.
Also porn capital of the world, San Fernando valley. Or at least used to be. I lived in East Hollywood for 3 years while my wife worked at LA Opera. Walking by any dive bar on any night you could always hear local bands with the trademark LA Rock sound, all of them, even in 2013.
So, which is the classic baritone amp or rig? Inquiring minds need some testosterone in the mix.
Con huevos.
The Bassman, duh! A really good baritone has plenty of huevos and can certainly sing bass at 10 in the morning. But a baritone can also sing tenor if he’s wearing really tight underwear.
Hi,
Keep looking down on this THU Gas cliff... I’ve read this thread, great and detailed opinions. Maybe too many!. The problem with THU is it’s massive and expensive if it’s “trial and error”.
I already own a few Nembrini’s (sound master, Cali). Would like to compare, I much prefer Nembrinis to the Blackface of the free THU.
If I spend around 20€ for a decent taste... I heard rigs are more realistic and better overall. I’m looking for clean/vintage Fender kind of sound (love the Cali). I like pedals for distorsion and fuzz, don’t like the character of high gain amps.
Have read great comments on the Choptones rigs, Looking over the list it looks like the Choptones include responses with Klondike Centaur and other cool pedals, so that seems more versatile... I’ve never tried an IR with distortion baked in. How are they?. Better than a standalone pedal + amp?. How does the response differ?.
Ok that’s what I’d like to try, unless you tell me otherwise. Seems like the Choptones are “one amp at a time” whereas the THU bundles are a collection of amps, but then again, no pedals.
Narrowed it down: which Choptones? Friedman, Randall, Fender edge....
The Bassman Amp or Rig? The Amp doesn't do it for me and usually I get something from a bassman clone. Of course, I've been sticking with my Tele' and it's thin... almost castrati thin. So, now chance of
extra "eggs".
I just envisioned you getting up in tight underwear and the range was inhuman. We we keep going with the
"compressions" can you pull off some light contralto "Leider hosen"?
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