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New build up today, new rigs
@bobbyj8866 @audiobussy @McD @SNystrom
The reason the new IR loader in th-u seemed thinner or lacking compared to our usual IR loading apps is because every single cabinet module in th-u has LPF turned on by default. When using th-u presets, LPF is off in the cabinets, but when starting from “empty” they all default to LPF on. This gave the impression that it was “optimized” or thinner in the sub 80Hz. This is not the case. The IRs with just “respire” on sound identical to those loaded in our usual convolution apps. TH-U IR loader is legit!
This is great! Now if we could only get them to make master settings saveable.
This is good news. Thanks. And agree about the master settings – – especially because they seem uniformly too high
You mean like the th-u Master volume when AUM?
Your post was at 4:20. I’ll take that as code.
But you still like OwnHammer IRs better though, right?
He's talking about loading the OwnHammer IRs into TH-U via the new IR import mechanism.
Yeah the 4:20 did not go unnoticed. No I mean loading my OwnHammers inside th-u! They sound identical as when loaded in Thaf. So now we can load our own IRs inside th-u and save them there and as presets.
The thing is I have all of my IRs saved into Thaf, so this will be a long transition.
The 3rd party IRs are sonically superior, yes? I already bought ownhammers but can only do so much in a day
They absolutely are, better than ones already in th-u and in Nembrini. OwnHammers are most likely the best in the biz or at least top 3.
But that’s not to say that the ones in the thu rigs are bad. I use the rigs as is a lot of the time. Those presets are crafted, so if you love the sound then great! Try your favorite rig preset with an Ownhammer, maybe you’ll like it better.
Thanks. I’m going to give this a try after you explained the naming convention of ownHammer’s the other day
Yes, that and the high low sensitivity always revert back. I guess maybe that's more of an AUM issue. I know you had said it shows 0 db but it's actually still where it was set but I don't hear it and I'm usually clipping when I reopen in aum until I turn it down.
Thafknar has a function to export IR sets as zip archives. If the other app can import zip files, then you can transfer a bunch of IRs in one go.
Amazing. Well done!
@polaron_de Thank you for the tip. I had already reorganized and rezipped a small collection that I uploaded to Thafknar, so I can move those same small zips from files app to th-u. But that’s just to use with th-u and save those with presets in there. I need to use Thafknar for all my Nembrini apps and other guitar sims, and to load stereo IRs. Thafknar has more sophisticated routing and processing features (stereo/mix/quad), so I don’t see myself leaving anytime soon. Thaf is serving everyone so well. My comment was more about transitioning to a different IR loader in general from one that’s been working for me so well, not necessarily in regards to daunting file transfer.
I did an A/B test with a pre-recorded dry clip with the identical impulse response (OwnHammer Vox AC15/30 sweet spot) loaded inside th-u IR loader and also in Thafknar. I used the exact same amp sim in th-u. I volume matched the gain in Thafknar and the level of the th-u cabinet so that the output reading in AUM has the identical decibel start reading. In Thafknar, choosing stereo output or mix output changed the output level by .1 decibel. In th-u cab I had only the “respire” setting on. To my ears, the IRs sounded identical. But visually in AUM they were almost identical.
Even though both clips started with the same reading of -3.7db, as the clip played the readings were ever so slightly different. @espiegel123 could this possibly be because in th-u the IR happens before the output stage of th-u, but with the other method th-u output becomes the input into a Thafknar which is then the output? As I said they do sound quite identical, is there anything to them not looking identical? Perhaps the dynamic response of stereo/mix in Thaf and “respire” in th-u causes this?
You may simply be seeing rounding error. Setting things by visually eyeballing isn’t precise. The best way to compare is record the signals and normalize both. This will eli,I ate level differences resulting from small discrepancies in settings. The output level changing by 0.1 dB isn’t significant. @polaron_de might be able to comment on the technical reasons why switching between the options will have an impact on level.
Btw, the only reliable way to compare the the signals is to normalize the final recorded signals to the same volume and listen to them blind. Knowing which is which can influence your perception. Slight differences in volume also have a huge impact on what people think they hear.
I believe I mentioned this bug to the devs (showing 0db but sounding as previous set) and I think they fixed it, because I couldn’t recreate this last night. It definitely was a quirk I found before, I don’t remember if it was when going from standalone to AUM or if it was when closing and reloading in AUM. But for sure the master volume still only stays previous set when you use standalone, but high/low reverts both standalone and AUv3. I think it’s possible that the high/low is just a 3 decibel boost and nothing more, so I leave it low and compensate with interface/daw input gain. The iOS th-u really should have an input gain knob, like the desktop version. My first course of action every time I open th-u both AUv3 and standalone is the tuner and checking the master volume, I’ve gotten accustomed to it.
One thing I notice is when you close th-u in AUM and reopen it, it does show the same preset or chain as you had when you closed. But if you then go to th-u standalone and do something different, it overrides what you may have had in AUM and opens with the standalone preset. So many quirks.
Btw, I used to think that the reverb and delay sliders in the master menu did absolutely nothing, but it turns out if your preset or chain has a reverb and/or delay fx in it, those sliders suddenly activate, yet they are independent from the sliders inside the actual pedal menu. Kind of weird, but sounds awesome.
yes i do the same thing. go directly to the master section.. set it up.. i hardly ever use it in stand alone... also kind of a lot of steps to get back to the tuner once you're all setup and and jamming away in AUM.. would be nice to have a tuner button just to go to immediately. but it's all good really.
ill check out the reverb and delay sliders, thanks for the suggestion.
If you use midi or a midi foot pedal or whatever, you can actually program the tuner to go on off and mute with a footswitch, it’s awesome.
.> @JoyceRoadStudios said:
That is absolutely true! I had not noticed the LPF. To add to my colletion of Ownhammers I find I am liking York Audio IR's now too. Nice find ! Thanks!
More on the new IR loader from the manual and website... “respire” on is full spectrum, off is optimized to fit better in a mix. Sweet.
This has always been an issue in comparing computer tones to amps
New update out now. They've fixed the IR in the cabinets ("Cabinet filters do not affect the user IRs anymore"). And they've added a 60's pack with 3 new amps (A 66 super reverb, Vox AC15 and a Marshall Randy Rhodes and matching cabinets, a new fuzz (satisfaction based), an analog booster and a new magnetic delay/echo. Unfortunately you have to buy it even if you already have the full version.
The ‘60s pack is an IAP and I’m really excited about it. This may be my first Overloud desktop purchase because then the iOS pack is $1. Plus I will get the Rig player on desktop with the purchase. @SNystrom @lukesleepwalker there’s Vox AC15 amp/cab emulation so this could possibly scratch your itch. There’s also a new fuzz pedal and a ‘66 super reverb emulation I want to try, and several other new components. This bundle differs from the other bundles like Funk or Rock, because these are new component releases and have almost no overlap with the full pack (except for a couple pedals). The bundle also features a few components that haven’t been available in the smaller bundles before, such as Plexi Voice 2. Considering the full pack has been on a sale, I have no problem with this being an IAP at $18, especially because it’s essentially an expansion pack rather than an overlap pack.
Now the update that claims to fix the IR cabinet filters by disabling them is a big mess. I simply wanted them to turn off the default LPF setting when loading a cab so the IRs could be full spectrum off the bat. But the claim to have disabled the entire menu when loading an IR, which is not true. LPF is disabled but looks ON, HPF and Respire are still enabled but are inconsistent from cab to cab. Furthermore, a cab inside a preset vs a new cab loaded into an empty slot acts completely differently, with some settings disabled and other not. And it seems like now LPF has been accidentally disabled for the cab sims. A mess. I will write them now...
The whole point of “respire” setting is that it’s full spectrum, why would they disable it. It’s like you ask for one thing and they just drive the car off a cliff. Thankfully the devs are super responsive, it’s one of the many perks of investing in this product.
With an IR it sounds like "respire" should be always on. I am not sure why they would provide that option.
More details on the IR issue... LPF is now disabled for both cab sims and for IRs. HPF still works after loading IRs. Respire seems to work inside some cabinets and not others. And depending on whether you add an IR into a preset cab, or if you add an IR after + cab into an empty slot, the filter behavior is different....
I just found some cabinets where the Respire still works after loading my IR. HPF seems to be active in all cases and LPF seems to be disabled in all cases even if the light is on... a mess.
Perhaps it’s full spectrum by default and that’s good, but the update note saying they disabled the filters is incorrect, in fact more harm was done than good.
Man that sounds like a temporary mess. In the meantime, how are the new fuzz and magnetic delay pedals? I think the legacy fuzzes are a major weak spot of the overall package, (and they certainly could’ve made the new one look a little better than a MSPaint template). I like a couple of the delays alright though.