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THU—Holy Grail for Fender sound

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  • @wim said:

    @SNystrom said:
    Sorry to hear about your crappy AmpliTube 5 experience. I have a little bit invested in iOS AmpliTube, and I’m reasonably happy with what I have. A free upgrade would indeed be great — especially if it’s were to happen to go AUv3.

    It amazes me how must gear they have licensed by manufacturers like Fender, Mesa, Marshall, Dr. Z, Fulltone, T-REX, and Wampler. You’d think they’d feel a little pressure from those companies to have the absolute best sim on the market, but I guess for now really good is good enough.

    I'm not sure I see the motivation on their part to have it be too good. They are in the business to sell hardware after all. B)

    Yes and the whole ploy, including with Overloud, is to get us all hooked over to desktop. You can tell by everyone’s marketing materials, promos, and schemes. Can’t blame them, meanwhile we are beneficiaries of great iOS products at a fraction of the cost.

  • Just started using the free clean amp and holy wowza that thing is 100x better than tonestack which I've been using for years lol

    I'm using a semi hollow and a lot of emulators really sound like distorted farts or super same-y but this sounds fresh and crisp like a real amp.

    Then I plugged my vox AC30 nutube amp into the signal chain and it is such a killer chime booster too. Can't wait to try out some of the others.

    I'll still probably get the nembrini bass amp. I'm finding the THU takes the nembr effects very well so I believe in it.

  • Damn! wim’s logic wins again! 😊

  • edited June 2021

    @ambrosiajam said:
    Just started using the free clean amp and holy wowza that thing is 100x better than tonestack which I've been using for years lol

    I'm using a semi hollow and a lot of emulators really sound like distorted farts or super same-y but this sounds fresh and crisp like a real amp.

    Then I plugged my vox AC30 nutube amp into the signal chain and it is such a killer chime booster too. Can't wait to try out some of the others.

    I'll still probably get the nembrini bass amp. I'm finding the THU takes the nembr effects very well so I believe in it.

    The Overloud bass amps are quite good, I find the bass cabs to be a bit too bassy, so I use their Tweed ‘59 4x12 which is a guitar and bass cab, they actually use it in their bass world preset bank. Then their Bass Rigs Vol. 1 collection is excellent, those are based on actual real world amp captures (Darkglass, Trace, etc..), like Kemper profiles. However, for a single Bass amp the Nembrini Blackice is probably the very best iOS Bass amp, by a long shot. It really sounds amazing, analog-like, and versatile.

    Frontloading your interface with overdrives or other effects/pres and sending to Overloud gets great results. Currently my chain is guitar - mythical overdrive - volume pedal - interface - Overloud/Nembrini - Thafknar.

    This allows me to lower the overall signal going into the interface with the volume pedal so the input isn’t too hot, but because the volume pedal is after my overdrive pedal it doesn’t affect the overdrive amount, only the volume of it.

  • @SNystrom said:
    You are going to totally love that Choptones Dang Custom, @dafrimpster. It is so rich and has so many tonal possibilities! It totally captures that Dumble feel.

    The demo video was really impressive. I have Choptones Bassman and 67 Plexi rigs. They are great.

  • @SNystrom said:
    Damn! wim’s logic wins again! 😊

    "Follow the money" is always my base assumption. :D

    Thankfully indie iOS developers are always an amazing exception to that rule.

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    Frontloading your interface with overdrives or other effects/pres and sending to Overloud gets great results. Currently my chain is guitar - mythical overdrive - volume pedal - interface - Overloud/Nembrini - Thafknar.

    This is what I do as well, I use MixBox and Tonestack Pro effects before AND after THU/Nembrini into Thafknar and OH IR’s and save as AUM presets copied to iCloud so can sync them between devices.

  • @dafrimpster said:

    @SNystrom said:
    You are going to totally love that Choptones Dang Custom, @dafrimpster. It is so rich and has so many tonal possibilities! It totally captures that Dumble feel.

    The demo video was really impressive. I have Choptones Bassman and 67 Plexi rigs. They are great.

    Wow!! What a wide range of sounds. All great. $12.99 price tag didn't hurt either. I also bought the ADA MP1 rig. 80's tones for days.

  • I see Overloud has released a new preamp:


    BHS GODDESS is the TH-U expansion library, signed by Big Hairy Sounds, seeking to recreate the 90’s and 2000’s tones of Stone Temple Pilots*, Bonnie Raitt*, School of Fish*, and others, based on Demeter* amplifiers. 45 rigs are captured.

    Anybody have any thoughts or experiences with Big Hairy Sounds releases? How do they compare to the Choptones offering?

  • Big hairy sounds rigs are really among the best available in over loud.
    Their soldano rig is truly amazing!

  • Thanks, Flo! Good to know.

    I’m not familiar with Demeter products. Guessing that’s what Bonnie Raitt uses to get that gritty slide tone of hers.

  • @SNystrom said:
    I see Overloud has released a new preamp:


    BHS GODDESS is the TH-U expansion library, signed by Big Hairy Sounds, seeking to recreate the 90’s and 2000’s tones of Stone Temple Pilots*, Bonnie Raitt*, School of Fish*, and others, based on Demeter* amplifiers. 45 rigs are captured.

    Anybody have any thoughts or experiences with Big Hairy Sounds releases? How do they compare to the Choptones offering?

    BHS releases are fantastic. As @flo26 says the BHS Sold rig is one of Overloud’s very best. I also have the ACE and the MetlX, they’re great. With BHS there’s a lot of thickness in the lower mids, lots of rich texture, but it stays warm across the spectrum and doesn’t get harsh. Something to keep in mind though, the BHS rigs are quite niche in the sense that they’re perfect for 80s sounds. If you peruse all the BHS rigs, you’ll notice it’s all 80s guitar god rigs or metal rigs or 80s studio type rigs. Lots of warm high gain, blazing leads, and those 80s cleans. Choptones have the Fenders, Marshalls, boutique blues amps, etc… so BHS is really filling that 80s void in Overloud’s offerings. The BHS preset banks are also really extensive, if you’re into presets. Choptones banks only offer like 10 presets per rig, BHS offers 50 or more. I might get the BHS River rig also, though it’s not like I’m trying to play any Skid Row.

    Regarding BHS Goddess, I like the original Demeter preamp, but the demo sounds really fizzy, just STP type riffs. Haven’t tried this rig though, hope it’s good. I personally don’t need that preampy distortion sound in my arsenal. It is a very studio direct type sound with a digital feel. Some people love that direct console sound. I prefer a roomier vintage amp or holy grail amp sounds with cabinet IRs.

  • McDMcD
    edited June 2021

    @SNystrom said:
    I’m not familiar with Demeter products. Guessing that’s what Bonnie Raitt uses to get that gritty slide tone of hers.

    From the Demeter web site on the most recent amp design which refers to the "legendary" TGA-3.

    The legendary sound of the TGA-3 lives on in this newest amplifier design by James Demeter. The TGA-2.1 Guitar Amplifier, totally restyled inside and out, offers the great TGA sound and versatility. Offering a choice of both combo and amplifier head setups, and now available in both 50 and 100 watt configurations. This unit represents over two decades of experience and research to build the perfect amplifier at an affordable price.

    These amplifiers deliver the warmth and clarity of a vintage Fender amplifier as well as the crunch of a Marshall plexie and the searing lead sound of the legendary Demeter TGA-3. Our guitar amplifiers are used by Ben Harper, Sonny Landreth, Bonnie Raitt, John Hiatt, Ry Cooder, Mike Ward, Dean DeLeo (Stone Temple Pilots), Doyle (the Misfits), and Jack Frost among numerous others.

    From Vintage Guitar magazine:

    TGA 2 | Vintage Guitar Magazine (July 1998)
    Vintage Guitar Magazine (July 1998)
    By Stephen Patt

    Demeter Amplification has been around since 1980 making revolutionary electronic gear that finds its way into the best of hands. Players like Bonnie Raitt and Ry Cooder rely on Demeter's guitar amp and tremolo boxes, while savvy studios ncluding Ocean Way and A&M rely on state-of-the-art compressors and tube-mic preamps. We were lucky enough to get our hands on a TGA-2 Inverter head destined for the collection of none other than Ben Harper, and it was a supreme pleasure to play. The design is simple borrowing from the Marshall plexi-type head with the Demeter nameplate proudly displayed in front: construction is all-tube, with a hand wired steel chassis and custom built transformers. There are two channels, with separate voicing on each. Number one is a truly vintage-sounding Fender blackface, albeit bigger and more solid than most especially when heard through a 4 X 12 bottom. Channel two is all balls; a Marshall plexi on steroids with singing harmonics. The tube-buffered effects loop and pentode-triode switch add versatility to an already superb package

    When driven through even a small package like a single 12" GT bottom, the results were dramatic: a blast of dynamic, singing guitar through channel one, with shimmering highs and a firm not flabby, low end. Multiply this by a factor of 10 through a half-stack: enough to knock you over (not talking volume, but tone). Channel two, usinga stock Strat, was a powerhouse of sound, with headroom to boot. Loved it. Demeter also makes cabinets to match, the twin 12 being a favorite. And there is a special order Inverter combo that's available on a limited basis. Co-reviewer Jon Butcher asked plaintively with his guitar plugged into channel one, "I'm running my humbucker now how do I get the gain up?"

    I cranked the gain knob to two, and Jon began to chortle as he ripped out a series of skanky single-note leads, a la Jeff Beck. "This is one helluva sound. It's smooth and buttery, and I just love the overtones and depth. The bottom end is tight and distinct; there's no muddiness or distortion. It's easily as good or better than an older Marshall plexi with my Stratocaster, and the first channel is just a thrill to play. I give it the highest thumbs up!"

    Jon noted the TGA-2 sounded better with at least twin 12's beneath, "... giving it room to breathe, to open up." I couldn't agree more. Call Demeter Amplification for details at (818) 994-7658, or write to Demeter Amplification, 15730 Stagg Street, Van Nuys, CA 91406.

    Bob Williams, of Demeter (who plays a mean blues guitar himself) provided us with a stock Tremulator. I've gotten away from playing just Fenders these days, going for the variety of the Groove Tubes Soul-0-45, and I missed that old tremolo. This device has been around for awhile, but holds up as being a real benchmark among trem boxes: a superb case of engineering something so good, it's impossible to improve. Used by scads of artists such as Ry Cooder, Mark Knopfler and Sonny Landreth (Ry's favorite settings are incorporated in to the stock settings of the Tremulator), this device is heard on just about every Cooder soundtrack. The box is at first unimpressive: small, black, and plain. But potent. It features depth and speed, with a miniature LED status indicator, and a plug for a wall wart (but the 9-volt drain is so low, practically no one uses them).

    Inside, the box is a miracle of modern engineering: well-constructed, neatly soldered traces, and features a trim pot allowing variations in setting the time ratio. Cool. And it's quiet. The wave is the classic lopsided amplitude modulation... perfect. The range of sounds is actually broader than a Fender's (and more musical), and the switching is silent. Very fat, and just what the doctor ordered for spicing up an older amp with no onboard effects. Jon was much impressed.

    "Wow! It sounds just like a Fender. And it's as quiet as a church mouse."

    Rolling out a series of sombre chords, then playfully funky, Jon relaxed into the slow tremolo speed. '"This is very cool. How much are they? Hidden in this question was the other question, namely, "Can you get me one?" The ultimate compliment, and listing in the low-$200 range, all of us can afford one.

  • Wow, thanks for the instant PhD on BHS and Demeter, guys! It’s the encyclopedic knowledge base of the forum that never ceases to amaze me…

    Some of those Demeter amps sound truly impressive, McD. It was also very cool I just happening to be listening to Sonny Landreth while reading about their products. That TGA-2 sounds like a real diverse monster.

  • So I played well into the morning with the Dang Custom and was totally loving the amazing variety of tones I was able to get from it. However, after sleeping on it, I’m still hungry for a collection with really awesome single coil clean tones.

    I was listening to the Bassman rig examples and thought that might be worth investing-in, but was wondering if there were others I should consider before making another rig purchase before the Overloud sale ends…

  • @SNystrom said:
    So I played well into the morning with the Dang Custom and was totally loving the amazing variety of tones I was able to get from it. However, after sleeping on it, I’m still hungry for a collection with really awesome single coil clean tones.

    I was listening to the Bassman rig examples and thought that might be worth investing-in, but was wondering if there were others I should consider before making another rig purchase before the Overloud sale ends…

    Tone impera might be a good choice.
    Good clean,crunch and lead tones.
    Fender amps inspired.

  • Awesome, I’ll check the demos on that one. Thanks, Flo!

    I dug deep in this thread to find @JoyceRoadStudios’ Fenderish rig rundown, and it seems at the time he was a Bassman fan, but I didn’t see any mention of the Impera on that post.

    Hope this doesn’t cause him to go out and purchase it if he doesn’t already own it! 😅

  • @flo26 said:

    @SNystrom said:
    So I played well into the morning with the Dang Custom and was totally loving the amazing variety of tones I was able to get from it. However, after sleeping on it, I’m still hungry for a collection with really awesome single coil clean tones.

    I was listening to the Bassman rig examples and thought that might be worth investing-in, but was wondering if there were others I should consider before making another rig purchase before the Overloud sale ends…

    Tone impera might be a good choice.
    Good clean,crunch and lead tones.
    Fender amps inspired.

    Dang and Bassman are very similar tonally so I think you’re covered there…. in the real world Bassman circuit inspired Dumble…

    100% tone impera is great with single coils. It has the perfect glassy clank for it. I found the Suhr rig much better with single coils than humbuckers, especially if you’re a Pete Thorn crunchy lead tones fan. Many of the choptones fenders and Marshalls are also well suited…

  • Yeah, so I went to Overloud and checked the video on the Impera. Only humbuckers were used there.

    Then I searched on YouTube for Impera demos and here’s this video by some French guy named Florent Roux…

    Yup, Flo26 has this awesome demo of the Tone Impera:

    Geez, Flo! You go through all the effort to make these outstanding videos, yet are too shy to promote them!

    So glad I found it, and yes, with the additional blessing of Sir Joyce Road Studios, it is a total no-brainer.

    Tone Impera it is!

  • Thank you both so much for your input! 😊

  • @SNystrom said:
    Thank you both so much for your input! 😊

    My pleasure.
    Enjoy!

  • Okay, so you guys have GOT to watch this one!

    Earlier-on I searched YouTube for Impera demo videos — which were great.

    Today I did a deeper dive and found yet another Impera video by Flo, but this one has him actually playing!

    Truly awesome stuff, and if you watch very carefully, Flo even reveals his “Guitar Face!”

    As usual, incredibly tasty playing by Flo. Thanks yet again for the Impera recommendations, guys!

  • @SNystrom said:
    Okay, so you guys have GOT to watch this one!

    Earlier-on I searched YouTube for Impera demo videos — which were great.

    Today I did a deeper dive and found yet another Impera video by Flo, but this one has him actually playing!

    Truly awesome stuff, and if you watch very carefully, Flo even reveals his “Guitar Face!”

    As usual, incredibly tasty playing by Flo. Thanks yet again for the Impera recommendations, guys!

    Please subscribe if you have not😉.

  • @SNystrom said:
    You are going to totally love that Choptones Dang Custom, @dafrimpster. It is so rich and has so many tonal possibilities! It totally captures that Dumble feel.

    I don't see it in the store yet, do you have the desktop version?

  • @SimonSomeone said:

    @SNystrom said:
    You are going to totally love that Choptones Dang Custom, @dafrimpster. It is so rich and has so many tonal possibilities! It totally captures that Dumble feel.

    I don't see it in the store yet, do you have the desktop version?

    It is in the iOS store.

  • When you get to the Choptones rigs, they are listed in alphabetical order.

  • looks like i needed to update the app.... it's there now, thanks

  • Enjoy! 😊

  • edited July 2021

    Im not sure if the rig sale is still on. But im looking to buy 1-2 rigs. One is for metal and looking from @JoyceRoadStudios posts, it looks like either the Randall Sanat or LRS Serenity Gain.

    I also want one for clean tone. Looking for something that will exaggerate the twang of my coil split pickup, and is touch sensitive. I’m hoping to find a tone somewhere close to Mateus Asato’s Time https://youtube.com/watch?v=r-9fiNDU-Iw, so something that will work well with reverb and an overdrive pedal like Nembrini’s Clon Minotaur. Any suggestions.

  • Looks like the Overloud sale is still on.

    The Dang and Impera rigs are great for my single-coils, but perhaps @JoyceRoadStudios and the rest of the crew have suggestions for ideal matches for split humbuckers…

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