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Amplitube is IAA only, which I understand matters more to some than to others. Doesn’t matter standalone, but with AUM/DAWs, AUv3 is generally a better workflow for me. I have purchased a few Amplitube components which I really like (Bassman, Twin, Fulltone OCD) but for some reason the overall app gives me an asymmetrical stereo image. When I put it in an AUM chain theres an obvious change to the stereo width and position. Maybe I need to purchase and unlock something. I look forward to a possible Amplitube 5 upgrade for iOS and maybe AUv3. You are right Amplitube is good, but IK already gets lots of exposure, and the newer boys in town need some love as well 😁
So true about the stereo image
@JoyceRoadStudios And why is Overloud’s output overly loud? The default setting is nuts
@JoyceRoadStudios ,i’ve Just bought the dang rig.
Maybe one of the best rigs i’ve Heard to this day.
The demo is already recorded.It is 17 minutes long.So many good sounds.The mids on this amp are really delicious.
I will post it tomorrow on you tube for those interested.
Cheers!
The standard sounds are devastating. Can’t wait to hear your demo
What a surprise right?? I’m glad you love it!
I bought it as well, @flo26.
Haven’t had a chance to play it yet, but after @JoyceRoadStudios’ breakdown, and now yours, I can tell I’ll be totally thrilled with my very first Overloud Choptones rig!
Good things come to those who wait 🤗
Enjoy!
I know exactly what you mean, but it’s not just Overloud it’s most other amp sims as well. However, apps like Overloud and Nembrini don’t really apply secret limiting or compression (unlike Ge Labs or 20th anniv.) so there’s more headroom in my opinion. They can get really loud without clipping.
When I load TH-U the very first thing I do (besides tuner) is go to “Master Controls” in upper left and set the Volume at -6db. This is really convenient and doesn’t change the sound of the amps at all, kind of like the master fader in AUM. This is different than lowering volumes on each amp model because that’s tedious and sometimes changes the character of the tone. An amp’s master volume and output volume can be confusingly interchangeable. So just lowering the app’s master volume to -6db ensures it’s always in a great spot even if the volume fluctuates from amp to amp. It’s nice that it’s an exact numerical value rather than an approximating slider or knob. Only annoying thing is master volume state saves standalone but not in AUv3 which should be fixed.
On the Overloud visual as long as your input (left meter) and output (right meter) is super high but not in the red you’re fine. It doesn’t bother me how loud it is because it doesn’t clip, so you can always turn down your headphones/monitors level or your iPad’s volume (if your interface allows it). Overloud doesn’t have an input level control so you have to set that on your interface or in the DAW (if your interface allows it).
With Nembrini you have the input gain knob and the output knob, but it’s a guessing game since there’s no metering standalone. Nembrini amps are set just as loud in my opinion.
Yes it is jarring how loud Overloud is at 0db, so Master Volume at -6db is a quick and convenient solution. You can even do -10db, then simply turn up your interface output level accordingly, it’s the identical sound. Many other amp sims distort and crap out at considerably lower input/output level. Overloud and Nembrini are super open and loud, it tickles the ears!
Thanks for the heads up!!! This has definitely gone under the radar, So this is a better than the new Tonestack?
yes.
If you just need or want one App to use: THU Overloud.
That said , I haveOveroud and all the Nembrini Amps and effects, Tonestack Pro, MixBox and some other single effects. The AuV3 apps in combinations give almost limitless tonal variety.
@ipadbeatmaking we all love what you do for the iOS music community, and this isn’t to take anything away from tonestack, amplitube etc.. those are all good apps. Just wanted to point out that Overloud is a major major player in this guitar app market.
Overloud is a signal that more and more Desktop vendors will dip their toe on the IOS pool seeking extra revenue and Apple is making the development cost negligible to play in both markets with a $79 desktop price and a $19 IOS price for very similar products.
It's a really good thing for me from a performance/cost perspective.
My favorite amp right now is the IK Multimedia Amplitube "Custom Pro 59". It's like the perfect Fender tone for warm distortions. But after that... Overloud "all in" is a huge hill
but they will get that money. That will take all your money one purchase at a time.
I know many are in love with the iRigs but still... they will get you for the whole enchilada
one purchase at a time. Just watch for a sale and go "all in." You will NOT be sorry.
Still... you will probably like 1-5amps but you need to play them all to pick the right 5. So, getting them at $5 a pop is tricky. I tried that. A went all in on the FX bundle but it it leaves out the distortions... so you start to think about adding distortions and before you know it you spent more that the "all in" price.
OverLoud is some serious tech... on a par with Fab Filter for FX.
I tend t buy everything so I have almost all of them and OverLoud is the one I will
keep handy for AUv3 and all those toys to mix and match.
I have all guitar apps on iOS. And I'm sure if you like playing guitar, if you want to play guitar or practice with your guitar, you will love any modern guitar app in the AppStore. I use Amplitube a lot and this is my main guitar app on iOS. But I can tweak a great guitar sound with Bias FX, Overloud, Nembrini, etc. They all sound great and easy to use. So if you want only one guitar app, you can choose any of them.
I think getting individual rigs is the way to go unless one likes the idea of having a zillion sims to play around with.
IMO, the better rigs sound so much better than the sims...and aren't included in the "everything " bundle.
I disagree that all the modern amp sims sound equally good. Overload Rigs and some of the Nembrimi amps sound much better to me than the others....particularly if using a good cabinet IR like those from OwnHammer.
Truth. Some of the rigs are so good it’s hard to believe.
And what one is listening with makes a big difference. With really good monitors with flat response the difference between the best sims (Overloud, Nembrini) and the "quite good but not stellar" sims is striking...less so with ok but not great headphones or monitors that aren't flat.
Well, Flo26 seems to have enjoyed others — including AmpliTube:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/39993/amplitube-s-joe-satriani-pack-for-ios
He even went head-to-head Soldanos with AmpliTube vs Nembrini and said:
“ They both react the same way.really close.
The mids on the amplitube’s one are more proeminent to my ears,and exactly in the same range of frequecies,which i like a lot.
Both are really good!”
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/37477/nembrini-s-soldano-vs-amplitube-s-soldano-video
It’s easy to be judgmental and elitist sometimes when we have shelled—out a ton of cash on the latest and greatest.
Don’t get me wrong. I love my Nembrinis and my new Overloud Thu rig, but I also believe there is a solid place in my arsenal for the 20th Anniversary guitar amp, GE Labs, and of course AmpliTube.
Don’t blow all your money on Overloud and Nembrini when you know AmpliTube 5 will probably be released sometime this year.
Remember: the latest and greatest are apparently always the best to some around here.
I have been gigging with THU for a while now. I use both the rigs and the modeling as well. I love it. I'll be picking up the Dumble clone rig today. I am a former Bias FX2 user. I prefer the Bias FX GUI but THU is way ahead tonewise. If I weren't wheelchair bound for three years now I would still be hauling my tube amp to gigs but THU allows me to keep my load in small.
I honestly don't think it's to do with that - personally I think it's simply down to different preferences based on different playing styles.
Some people for example are really focused on playing response, how closely the sim matches the playing dynamics of a real amp - this matters a lot to lead players.
Personally I'm much more focused on how the sims sound when playing rhythm, and there is an audible difference in quality between THU and Amplitube when you're strumming chords, THU just sounds better to my ears.
I recorded a demo with each amp sim with the cab disabled and with an IR at the end of the chain, and Amplitube is audibly worse sounding to me:
You are going to totally love that Choptones Dang Custom, @dafrimpster. It is so rich and has so many tonal possibilities! It totally captures that Dumble feel.
Actually @richardyot, I thought the best tone and articulation in your example came from the Gain Stage Vintage Clean app. That’s one of those that manages to fall through the cracks in these discussions. Of course that amp is designed to be perfect for the situation you provided.
I think one of the problems most all of us face is the amount of time it takes to dial-in a great tone on any of these amp sims. That’s what I love the most about the 20th Anniversary Guitar Amp it has great presets and it’s a minute or so to dial-in a very useable tone.
For me, Nembrini’s take a ton of effort to dial-in. Their presets are virtually worthless. But when you invest the time, you are rewarded. I think the same holds true for the others as well, although the Overloud Choptones rigs seen to be in a league of their for ease of use and variety of sonic options within each rig.
Yes I really love GS Vintage Clean, it's really great for clean rhythm playing.
@SNystrom by this logic Amplitube 5 would be considered “latest and greatest” by default. I have several reservations about it. The current nonAUv3 Amplitube is actually really expensive, $150 for the complete bundle. It’s true there are many varieties of bundles within that at decent prices, and it also comes with some neat features like 8-track recorder, but right now the complete is almost double the price of th-u full. The bundles and a la carte pricing does not scream great deal either. Additionally, there’s no indication amplitube 5 is actually coming to iOS, and if it does, what makes you think it won’t be a brand new purchase that will anger existing users? Since desktop/iOS versions have very different pricing schemes, I would hope that IKMultimedia would simply make a big update to the existing app, improving it exactly as they did for desktop, adding AUv3, all for free. But I’m skeptical because everyone needs to make money, and I’m afraid it will be BiasFX2 debacle all over again. The point in all of this is that Amplitube is a good app but it’s certainly not cheap, this all has little to do with new vs old. Overloud has been around for a very long time in the desktop market, the newcomers are actually Nembrini.
While the Overloud sims justifiably don’t stand out to many (they do to me) over others, what elevates this all for me is the stellar FX pedal collection. While the sims by themselves may not impress some, when combined with all the components the app offers, this is an audiophile guitarist’s dream. No I can’t claim that amplitube or tonestack fx are bad since I’m not well versed in them, but I know the Overloud ones are great, good enough that they’re licensed out to iFX Rack as well. They’re not all perfect fx, a few duds, but I particularly love the sounds of the licensed pedals and the simple Boss pedal emulations, reverb, chorus, tremolo, delay, etc… Some people don’t want to use a whole guitar app just to load a single pedal and prefer a one pedal/fx app, but I disagree with that. THU offers master controls, a tuner, midi, IR loading, it’s so much more than a single fx AUv3. Using it in front of a Nembrini amp (which doesn’t have a tuner etc..) is a great combo.
With the current pricing model and sales, there’s actually a wonderful and cost effective path to THU. You can get a great rig for $12.99 (Fender/Dang) that offers awesome cleans, a pedal platform, and patches that already have several baked in overdrives. Then you can get the all FX for $17.99, an amazing deal. All this gives you a great Kemper like amp, and a world of pedals to build around it, all in a stable app you can fully control and load IRs into, all for under $35. You can also get the all Distortion bundle for $17.99, but since the Rigs already come with overdrive pedals baked into many patches, it may not be necessary. This is the path to the best sound Overloud has to offer. On top of that you get enough free stuff as filler.
I agree 20th anniv. is really good and fills a niche for a Fender/Vox music hall kind of sound, with good native IR implementation. GSVC is a great preamp/filter type of sound for cleans. Ge Labs is not stable for me, and sounds too digital, but their hardware rig capturing technology is really unique. We are all paralyzed by choices, and we all have different ears and gear. I agree with @espiegel123 though, the difference between good and exceptional is important enough to me.
Thanks for the very descriptive (as always) explanation, @JoyceRoadStudios! We always count on you to do an excellent job of separating the wheat from the chaff.
I’m curious if you have downloaded the free version of AmpliTube 5 desktop to your laptop and compared it to Overloud and whatever other desktop amp sims you might have in your collection.
It would interesting to learn now how the new AmpliTube sim compares to them and receive one of you patented thorough reports.
If it is no match for Overloud, then we won’t have to wait who knows how long only to be disappointed by the iOS version when it finally drops. 🤗
To be honest I did download Amplitube 5 to my Dell laptop and played around for 10-15 minutes total, I was experiencing constant crackle and dropouts due to my lack of knowledge and patience, maybe a bad driver, definitely wrong settings. This had very little to do with the software. It looked good, the free amp played ok, it was a crunchy amp. Again I have no opinion because I had no patience to make it work and jumped right back to my iPad.
I think what’s important is that Amplitube 5 is really just an update with improvements and some new component introductions. It’s not some completely new software. There’s an upgrade price for those who have the previous version. Overloud did the same thing, upgrading their desktop software a few years ago to the current version we have ported over to iOS. So in a way an amplitube upgrade on iOS is long overdue. From what I’m reading there are no current plans for this, and on top of that IK treats the desktop and iOS as two completely different products, just like Overloud and Nembrini. I just hope that if 5 does get ported over it is free for those who already have it, but I’m afraid it could be one of those AUv3 from scratch rebuilds. Overloud didn’t have this issue because they only ported over the new version in the last few years and then implemented AUv3.
Sorry to hear about your crappy AmpliTube 5 experience. I have a little bit invested in iOS AmpliTube, and I’m reasonably happy with what I have. A free upgrade would indeed be great — especially if it’s were to happen to go AUv3.
It amazes me how must gear they have licensed by manufacturers like Fender, Mesa, Marshall, Dr. Z, Fulltone, T-REX, and Wampler. You’d think they’d feel a little pressure from those companies to have the absolute best sim on the market, but I guess for now really good is good enough.
At some point, those licensing deals will be due to expire, and perhaps when that time comes, it will light a fire under them.
I'm not sure I see the motivation on their part to have it be too good. They are in the business to sell hardware after all.