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MIDI Guitar is now an audio unit!

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  • edited November 2020

    MG2 AUv3 works seamlessly for me in AUM and ApeMatrix on iOS 14.2. IAA also still works flawlessly in terms of sending MIDI to a host.

    However, it's not creating a virtual MIDI source (which would normally expose as 'MIDI Guitar Out’ in the host) in Audiobus 3. The virtual port is necessary to feed third-party synths as the AUv3 cannot be a host within a host and some apps are still IAA only.
    Anybody else seen this issue?

  • edited November 2020

    (Accidental post)

  • You can't route from (AUv3 GM2) to your IAP via the AUv3 host? The host has a virtual source, right?

  • @Vaultnaemsae said:
    MG2 AUv3 works seamlessly for me in AUM and ApeMatrix on iOS 14.2. IAA also still works flawlessly in terms of sending MIDI to a host.

    However, it's not creating a virtual MIDI source (which would normally expose as 'MIDI Guitar 2' in the host) in Audiobus 3. The virtual port is necessary to feed third-party synths as the AUv3 cannot be a host within a host and some apps are still IAA only.
    Anybody else seen this issue?

    IN AB3, if using the AU, you route audio to the auv3 of MG. And then go to the midi page and choose Midi guitar as a source from the AU list. You will see the instance you created on audio page available as a source.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @Vaultnaemsae said:
    MG2 AUv3 works seamlessly for me in AUM and ApeMatrix on iOS 14.2. IAA also still works flawlessly in terms of sending MIDI to a host.

    However, it's not creating a virtual MIDI source (which would normally expose as 'MIDI Guitar 2' in the host) in Audiobus 3. The virtual port is necessary to feed third-party synths as the AUv3 cannot be a host within a host and some apps are still IAA only.
    Anybody else seen this issue?

    IN AB3, if using the AU, you route audio to the auv3 of MG. And then go to the midi page and choose Midi guitar as a source from the AU list. You will see the instance you created on audio page available as a source.

    It appears that you must select the MIDI source from the Audio Unit list in AB3 MIDI page. I’m used to selecting the “Virtual Port” from the list immediately visible when you touch the input source plus button (when using via IAA). Anyway, it’s working fine now...it was just hidden!

    Thanks for the reply, Espiegel123

  • I'd waited a long time to buy the IAPs. Last week when I was looking there was a base $10 IAP, then another $20 IAP for external MIDI and another $10 IAP for AU hosting. Today when I updated it was only a $20 IAP for external MIDI and $10 for AU hosting/AUV3 capability. I'm kind of glad I waited so I saved the extra $10 IAP.

    Seems to be working fine when compared to the test version I've been using all along.

  • @Vaultnaemsae said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Vaultnaemsae said:
    MG2 AUv3 works seamlessly for me in AUM and ApeMatrix on iOS 14.2. IAA also still works flawlessly in terms of sending MIDI to a host.

    However, it's not creating a virtual MIDI source (which would normally expose as 'MIDI Guitar 2' in the host) in Audiobus 3. The virtual port is necessary to feed third-party synths as the AUv3 cannot be a host within a host and some apps are still IAA only.
    Anybody else seen this issue?

    IN AB3, if using the AU, you route audio to the auv3 of MG. And then go to the midi page and choose Midi guitar as a source from the AU list. You will see the instance you created on audio page available as a source.

    It appears that you must select the MIDI source from the Audio Unit list in AB3 MIDI page. I’m used to selecting the “Virtual Port” from the list immediately visible when you touch the input source plus button (when using via IAA). Anyway, it’s working fine now...it was just hidden!

    Thanks for the reply, Espiegel123

    Virtual MIDI ports are for standalone apps.

  • I use this with Idock MIDI out to a Roland SE-02 and in monophonic mode I can use my multi stringed intruments just not low bass notes as expected. I found this to work better in standalone with either midi out or one of its own synths; Good app and sometimes when you dial it in, amazing tracking.

  • Am I missing a transpose octave button? Usd to be there, is really useful for those synths that define C3 as C3 (and not C4 as C3). And useful in general. Changing the oscillators for every preset is a hassle.

  • @oat_phipps said:
    Am I missing a transpose octave button? Usd to be there, is really useful for those synths that define C3 as C3 (and not C4 as C3). And useful in general. Changing the oscillators for every preset is a hassle.

    Transposer is one of the effects available in the MIDI MACHINES section of thenMidi Guitar Panel.

    Btw, C3 and C4 aren’t note numbers. The issue is not that some synths define C4 as C3. The issues is that some manufacturers call middle C (MIDI note 60) C3 and some call that same note C4. Some even call it C5

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    Am I missing a transpose octave button? Usd to be there, is really useful for those synths that define C3 as C3 (and not C4 as C3). And useful in general. Changing the oscillators for every preset is a hassle.

    Transposer is one of the effects available in the MIDI MACHINES section of thenMidi Guitar Panel.

    Btw, C3 and C4 aren’t note numbers. The issue is not that some synths define C4 as C3. The issues is that some manufacturers call middle C (MIDI note 60) C3 and some call that same note C4. Some even call it C5

    Thanks, and I’m pretty sure we’re just saying the same thing, yours may just be more technically correct.

  • edited November 2020

    Doesn't seem to work at all for me. Purchased the plug-in and tried on two different iPads. In Zenbeats it shows up as a MIDI FX but doesn't detect any sound from the mic (just for testing purposes). Tapping on the IN/OUT button brings up a blank dialogue.

    In AUM It doesn't even show up as a plug-in. But it still works in StandAlone mode?

    Any ideas anyone?

  • edited November 2020

    @oceansinspace said:
    I use this with Idock MIDI out to a Roland SE-02 and in monophonic mode I can use my multi stringed intruments just not low bass notes as expected. I found this to work better in standalone with either midi out or one of its own synths; Good app and sometimes when you dial it in, amazing tracking.

    Works better in standalone than AUv3? I'm trying to imagine why that might be... I'm inclined to help the dev by getting the AUv3 IAP even though I don't technically need it because this app is practically sorcery. But if it doesn't behave as expected then that's a different kettle of fish.

  • Yeah, I am not on iOS 14 yet as things are all working well for me. I would say that for my older iPad (124 weeks old) the latency is a bit more in general for an AUM session of any kind vs standalone for almost any app where the tracking or latency is crucial. AUM is perfect for like using Rosetta type midi stuff for a non pro pad I have found, but like I cant run multiple Gadgets in AUM or have like 4 drum machines at once. I dream of the stuff I see you guys run in the videos!

  • Oh and yeah hardware seems to track differently, I think it makes sense you know if my iPad is just suing midi guitar and then the main cpu is external gear. The Alesis i-dock 2 has served me well for years now and I did feel it looked cheap plastic! I feel like the I dock is making up for my iPad too even with audio, I could be tripping but I mean the ext gear also never crashes so yea.

  • @oceansinspace gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

  • yea, I think you will likely rock AUM Midi Guitar to great results!

  • So, after this update can you buy only the "Midi Output" IAP and drive external synths via midi ?

  • @charalew said:
    Doesn't seem to work at all for me. Purchased the plug-in and tried on two different iPads. In Zenbeats it shows up as a MIDI FX but doesn't detect any sound from the mic (just for testing purposes). Tapping on the IN/OUT button brings up a blank dialogue.

    In AUM It doesn't even show up as a plug-in. But it still works in StandAlone mode?

    Any ideas anyone?

    I am using it in AUM without a problem. Ios13.7

    Have you rebooted your iPad?

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @charalew said:
    Doesn't seem to work at all for me. Purchased the plug-in and tried on two different iPads. In Zenbeats it shows up as a MIDI FX but doesn't detect any sound from the mic (just for testing purposes). Tapping on the IN/OUT button brings up a blank dialogue.

    In AUM It doesn't even show up as a plug-in. But it still works in StandAlone mode?

    Any ideas anyone?

    I am using it in AUM without a problem. Ios13.7

    Have you rebooted your iPad?

    Tried that with the Mini. Made no difference. Maybe it's because I'm on 14.0.1

  • @charalew said:
    Doesn't seem to work at all for me. Purchased the plug-in and tried on two different iPads. In Zenbeats it shows up as a MIDI FX but doesn't detect any sound from the mic (just for testing purposes). Tapping on the IN/OUT button brings up a blank dialogue.

    In AUM It doesn't even show up as a plug-in. But it still works in StandAlone mode?

    Any ideas anyone?

    Have you tried it as an Audio FX? You need to put it in an Audio FX slot on an audio track, then you will find it in AUMs midi routing for output.

  • @charalew said:
    Doesn't seem to work at all for me. Purchased the plug-in and tried on two different iPads. In Zenbeats it shows up as a MIDI FX but doesn't detect any sound from the mic (just for testing purposes). Tapping on the IN/OUT button brings up a blank dialogue.

    In AUM It doesn't even show up as a plug-in. But it still works in StandAlone mode?

    Any ideas anyone?

    Are you looking for it in AUM on a MIDI node? If so, that isn’t how it works. You need it on an audio node. You choose it on an audio node. Once you do that, you can route it’s MIDI output in AUM’s MIDI matrix.

  • Putting it on the audio node seemed counter-intuitive to me at first, and then I slapped my forehead and was like "duh". It does open up opportunities in AUM/AB3 set up this way. You can mix in (or mute) the sound of the "live instrument" with the synths or other apps you drive with the MIDI.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:
    Putting it on the audio node seemed counter-intuitive to me at first, and then I slapped my forehead and was like "duh". It does open up opportunities in AUM/AB3 set up this way. You can mix in (or mute) the sound of the "live instrument" with the synths or other apps you drive with the MIDI.

    It has to be an audio node,it needs to see the audio input. MIDI fx have no access to audio input. They are only for MIDI IN/MIDI out situations.

  • .

    @espiegel123 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Putting it on the audio node seemed counter-intuitive to me at first, and then I slapped my forehead and was like "duh". It does open up opportunities in AUM/AB3 set up this way. You can mix in (or mute) the sound of the "live instrument" with the synths or other apps you drive with the MIDI.

    It has to be an audio node,it needs to see the audio input. MIDI fx have no access to audio input. They are only for MIDI IN/MIDI out situations.

    Thanks both. Yes I was using as a MIDI FX. Will try it as audio FX

  • @charalew said:
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    @espiegel123 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Putting it on the audio node seemed counter-intuitive to me at first, and then I slapped my forehead and was like "duh". It does open up opportunities in AUM/AB3 set up this way. You can mix in (or mute) the sound of the "live instrument" with the synths or other apps you drive with the MIDI.

    It has to be an audio node,it needs to see the audio input. MIDI fx have no access to audio input. They are only for MIDI IN/MIDI out situations.

    Thanks both. Yes I was using as a MIDI FX. Will try it as audio FX

    Nope. Still no joy in either Zenbeats or AUM🤔

  • Yep, @espiegel123, it's obvious once you think about it, as @charalew just noted. I suspect there will be a few people who will miss on the first try.

  • @charalew said:

    @charalew said:
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    @espiegel123 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Putting it on the audio node seemed counter-intuitive to me at first, and then I slapped my forehead and was like "duh". It does open up opportunities in AUM/AB3 set up this way. You can mix in (or mute) the sound of the "live instrument" with the synths or other apps you drive with the MIDI.

    It has to be an audio node,it needs to see the audio input. MIDI fx have no access to audio input. They are only for MIDI IN/MIDI out situations.

    Thanks both. Yes I was using as a MIDI FX. Will try it as audio FX

    Nope. Still no joy in either Zenbeats or AUM🤔

    Maybe delete and reinstall MG? Are you using the most recent iOS 14 if you are using iOS 14?

    You are adding it as an effect, correct? You aren’t adding as a source?

  • I'll try updating to 14.2 but yes - adding as an effect not a source

  • anybody have a video or picture of this being used in AUM?

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