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Did we figure out a way of sending MIDI from one track to another in Drambo or is this still the best solution?
So my impression was always that Drambo is 8 tracks, but it seems that if you don't use sends and a master track, you could essentially have 16 tracks, ya? I managed to get 12 going before my iPad maxed out, but I can't understand why I couldn't have all 16 channels as generators. Did I just completely miss the boat on something here?
Sure, that's possible and I've done it before.
You can route MIDI from one track to one of the consecutive tracks. It's the easiest to do on the main track:
Note that MIDI will be routed to the track and its modules, not the sequencer.
A typical application is to layer multiple synth tracks to get an ultra fat sound.
@rs2000 thanks for this—you’re always on the game to answer our random questions, much appreciated!
I guess I could have been more specific with my post. Oddly, my main track modules don’t show a midi out as in your screen capture, only audio.
However, I’m not sure if it would work with what I’m currently trying out: this is a sequencer that outputs three different sequences based on a single combo of CV+Gate+Vel modules, with time division, transposition, and delay (sort of like fugue machine maybe?).
I’m using the MIDI out module to send each sequence on an individual midi channel and catching them in tracks 2-4 which host AU generators. In order to do this, I have to route the MIDI out and back into Drambo as in the pic above. The idea is that all tracks are melodically, rhythmically, and harmonically related while being easy to manipulate from a single screen. The track output would have to send MIDI out in three channels at the same time and each track would only listen to a single one (as you can do with the setting “always receive midi”.
Here’s a quick jam showing what the sequencer can do and how it’s currently set up. I would like to add further variations such as inversions, retriggers, etc or even more with mozaic scripts. Ideally, it would be able to traverse the same CV+Gates sequence at different speeds, in reverse, etc.
You don't need to sacrifice the A/B sends or the master to get 16 tracks. There's a 'hack' which allows more than 16 tracks.
Caveat:
Any trigs placed on the 'extra' track's timeline sequencer will cause Drambo to insta-crash. Same with playing the keyboard on those tracks.
However - the extra tracks can be the send A/B tracks and the Master track!!
You can use the extra tracks as sends, or you can place CV sequencers, gate sequencers, etc to trigger kick drums and generating audio events on the track itself. It's still totally fine to generate or process audio or anything else on those tracks - just do it without placing xox trigs. You can even put AU instruments and processors on those tracks.
In this demo I have a 19 track project. Tracks 17 and 18 are sends A / B. Track 19 is the master. (just wait like 40 seconds and you'll see all the tracks)
You can see I placed a gate and velocity sequencer on track 17 to gate a plate reverb. And placed a sample & hold lfo to a frequency shifter on track 18.
Works super well if you need more tracks.
@aleyas Great post! It definitely belongs in the Wiki.
Thanks!
i don’t even fully understand what is all going on in this session, but wow does it sound good!
i need to learn these drambo skills
@dvi Ouch! My bad! 🤭
Track MIDI outputs have been added very recently on the beta build which is still in the works, it will be available after Drambo v1.31 is on the AppStore. Sorry for whetting your appetite 😉
Update: V1.3.1 is available now.
Hi guys, is there a way to work with a multichannel audio interface in Drambo standalone? I really need 4 physical outs!
I can provide a suggestion to try (but I don't know if it will work because I work entirely within the iPad environment and don't use any output interfaces.
If you go into the Misc / Utility section of Drambo's module selector menu. At the top you'll see a module called "Audio Out".
Try putting one Audio Out module on four different tracks and see if they show up as audio outs in your interface.
If that doesn't work, hopefully someone else will have a more experienced answer.
@slaq As far as I know discreet outs are not supported in Drambo at the moment. AUM and Drambo multi-out hosted is the way to go currently.
But so far [i’m on pg 13] not in this thread. I’m jumping ahead to pose this question again [up to pg 24 ].
In Drambo you can send an audio signal from one track to another in the track settings (tap on the track title). So far so good.
What eludes me: the send in track SND1 is post-fader—so, how to make the send pre-fader?
Thanks for the help.
Thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately the Audio out in Misc/ Utility doesn’t have any effect in my use case. but thanks for your help:)
Hey, thanks! As far I can see you’re absolutely right. It’s a bit a pity for my workflow. I like AUM really but since Drambo supports AU I like to do everything in the Drambo box...fingers crossed for multichannel out in a future update @giku_beepstreet ?
@zilld2017 To access the pre-fader signal, route directly from a module output inside track "SND1". After you've selected an input (flashing orange), you can still scroll through tracks or hit a pad to select one.
@rs2000, thanks for your generous assistance, as always. I’ve tried routing using the input/output icons (the flashing oranges), to no avail. This surely reflects my inexperience with Drambo. I DID manage to figure out how to achieve my goal—being able to send a a dry, wet or combine signal to the master track—but only by mucking with the track settings...
Seems all back-asswards, but it gets the job done. Any chance you could provide a screenshot of your routing solution?
@zilld2017
@rs2000: that’s it. Much appreciated!
In my ignorance just diving into Drambo, can I ask why it would be bad practice to, say , have 3 different ‘instruments’ (au or drambo) in different layers in a ‘layer’ module (not the layer mixer) because it has separate outs, played by different sequencers (fugue,Octachron, xox, cells, drambo,
step sequencer via chord poly pad), then after the layer module, add several effects, and route the effects to whatever layer, even multiple, and also adding an adder module, and routing all that into another mixer that has its output connected to the track output. That way I don’t need more tracks no?
Kinda hard to word this. Also just mostly hypothetical. Hope it makes a semblance of sense.
This is not “bad practice” at all, signal-wise you’re not losing anything and it’s just another option that you have due to Drambo’s modular nature. You do lose some usability from the sequencer though, but that may or may not be relevant to your use case (since you’re using MIDI AUs to sequence, it looks like in this case it’s not)
@NoiseFloored yeah right? It’s just I’m finding crazy ways to sequence. Having one Rozeta Cells at 5 steps repeating a sound while on the same track xox is having fun, mapped the mutates to lfo’s, and Octachron playing something static, changing patterns with plocks same as regular steps with conditions from drambo...mind blown... and that even just using plugins. Half the drambo modules are still unexplored territory!
I’m not really making songs or tracks, just having fun with this iPad the last, well, 9 months 😂
Good to know it’s in the works. Hopefully it will make things a bit easier with this patch. And thanks for the leak: more features to look forward to!
Thanks! It’s getting a bit out of control to be shareable on patchstorage, but I’ll upload it if I can hammer out something that’s more easily implemented.
The patch is very simple in principle, the sequencer sends different but related melodic patterns to three different tracks. It would probably be easier to run it on AUM since midi out is more straightforward there.
Has anyone tried using the Multitrack Recorder plugin from
4pockets to record multi channel audio yet or is it even doable?
Update.
Question answered.
It does work.
So, how about Midi Export? Veek’s Route midi seems to work well for recording to the sequencer.. Thanks
Great idea! Midi Tools works perfectly for my needs (I hadn’t thought about it before). MIDI Route sends global MIDI back into drambo (like the AUM loopback) and, more usefully in my case, MIDI Bus sends MIDI from one track to another. Hopefully the update mentioned above will take care of these two functionalities natively so patches can be shared without requiring third-party apps.
Drambo, oh man!
The question is, how do you make an recording with 4pockers Audiorecorder whatsoever?
I must have missed something, but, I can’t have any sound into Audiorecorder from 4pocket into Drambo...?
I push monitoring, but, there isn’t any signal in...
And, can’t figure out where to push to start record into the recorder...?
RTFM perhsps, but, what’s the experience here from others here?
My goal was to record a mix of selfmade synths and a playedback audiofile, liveplayed and recorded into 4pocket Audiorecorder...
Is there any way to choose the input from an audio interface? Whenever I plug in my interface, I can’t seem to figure out how to change which input the audio in is coming from, it has two inputs but just keeps automatically connecting to the main one and I’m only getting audio in the left channel
Please request this as a new feature on the beepstreet forum, it seems like I'm the only one voting for this (an audio and MIDI i/o matrix) 😅