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Exactly, Mr. Elk. I'm NOT of course claiming the iPad has as much power as a desktop. I've actually even used a desktop once or twice in my existence and am aware of the differences. The reason they're FROZEN is because after adding all the guitars, the insert/send AUv3 efx started choking the playback of course. Before the guitar audio tracks were added, the AUv3 instruments were not frozen. And played back with no issues. Each of those 50 or so tracks have different insert efx as well. The point is, that the Air 3 is completely capable of more than your original 5-6 examples. I don't want you to believe anything, BC.
These forum "arguments" are beyond wearying. Carry on...
We call that "moving the goalposts" and it’s generally considered bad form as a debate tactic.
...and who did not, at any point, claim that "the iPad has as much power as a desktop." And then reiterated the fact that that was not his argument in a subsequent post.
If the standard is "compared to desktop," then you’d better write off most of the available Mac laptops as well, which are significantly underpowered compared to even the entry-level Mac Pro, let alone the top-of-the-line models.
Or a current top-of-the-line MacBook Air M1, which like the iPad is actually a portable device and therefore works under similar design constraints with respect to components. Are you arguing that you shouldn’t run Logic on a top-end MacBook either?
For clarity: I would argue that Logic shouldn’t come to the iPad because it wasn’t designed for a touch interface. I would also argue that the claim that the iPad can’t run Logic because it’s underpowered, if it’s ever been true, is certainly not true now that Apple is rolling out iPad Pros with exactly the same hardware specs as the top-of-the-line MacBook Air M1s. There may be an argument that iPadOS doesn’t have the right low-level OS features to support "pro" applications (someone mentioned memory allocation limits for apps above, I think), but that could (and may well be) addressed in upcoming OS updates. The unstated but apparently common assumption by a number of posters here that tablets may be fun, but are not "real" computing devices, is starting to wear on me.
One terabyte iPad coming w 16 gig RAM? Logic IS coming to IPad !!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5mac.com/2021/04/20/new-m1-ipad-pro-features-8gb-or-16gb-of-ram-depending-on-storage-configuration/amp/
That’s my thought also. Could possibly be announced prior to WWDC?
Even more convinced now that apple going to have to release some software that takes advantage of those specs otherwise what on earth is point of the steep Ram upgrade. Maybe the start of iPads not being seen as vehicle just for facebook and crossy road. Prices though.....hmmm
OK! Now I with you!
Natural, Apple has the power and knowledge to make something amazing with Logic Pro Touch v.1.0!
OK - but, would be nice to see you on the bus/train holding your iMac around people (27”)!
iPad Pro 12.9” is da shit!
Have an Macbook Pro M1, but, it was fun in the beginning, but, now I’m back full time on my iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 (4G/256GB) - and my iMac 27” 5K late 2017 holding up the rest, so my Macbook Pro M1 is retired and laying on some shelf waiting for some love from someone else... No hurry...
@AudioGus said:
I'm with you on this. It's impressive but at the moment looks like an overkill. They need to step up their software game.
Maybe it's an indication that some big changes are coming or maybe new products like AR glasses
please apple just buy AUM as a start and give us AUM X pro maybe and you win it👍
One thing makes me wondering: if they plan to release pronsoftware like finalcut pro on iPadOS, would they really show so much LumaFusion in there reel?
Not before but AT I would imagine
Logic Pro 7 required a G4 with 512 MB RAM. A dual processor G4 or G5 was recommended. But it still ran on single core G4s.
It requires OS X 10.3. Which was dog slow.
It came with EXS24Ii, Sculpture along with ES-2 and loads of plug ins including space designer convolution reverb.
All of that stuff is still in Logic Pro X.
I still have a lot of My old projects from Logic Pro 7 days (and before but 7 was around the time everything was in the box). They were full songs with guitars (using guitar amp plugins such as guitar amp pro and a native instrument ac30 plug-in), lots of vocals and plenty of exs24, ultra beat and synth tracks. Not too much freeZing required (unfortunately! If I’d frozen tracks I’d still have audio from long since gone plugins!).
I used to do gigs running locus on the original white entry level MacBook with core duo processor and it never missed a beat.
The hardware in an iPad has been more than up to the job of running Logic Pro for years.
16GB is nice but you have to BTO to even get 16G in an M1 Mac and logic works amazingly on an entry level MacBook Air with 8Gb.
It’s not the hardware holding back Logic.
Exactly this. It’s great that it can render 4K video in LumaFusion faster than a desktop, but when you need a certain degree of complexity iOS just isn’t there. They need a hybrid mode that can act like a windows tablet mode with MacOS driving it. Something with a more vector scalable simple interface like Ableton would work better than Logic I imagine. Browsing for samples / presets / pencil editing - full screen support when connected to monitor. Literally if I could use Ableton on the go on an iPad with just the bundled instruments and fx that would be amazing - with the same speed and functionality as desktop version.
Still hoping for that new iPad Mini 6 that feels as good to hold as the iPhone 12 Pro Max is. Literally if NanoStudio gets the audio tracks and AU automation that will hold me over until the next next. Actually if that happens it will probably be better than the next next lol.
Got a mb 16 with 32gb of ram and it works identically as my mb pro 13 with 8gb on every single audio daws, from reason, to logic, vcv rack, gadget, ableton.
Never experienced problems related to low ram😂😂😂 despite of that I have a pc with windows with 128gb of it just to get some nuclear submarine result in benchmark 😂😂😂
Aren’t nuclear submarines still running on XP?
double post - sorry
I know, I don’t like Apple wireless keyboards, and I’ve been using a Logitech one but wondered what the newer smart/magic ones are like
In the UK, $1299 = $1299
However the US price doesn’t include VAT/Sales tax.
Remove the VAT from the UK price and you pay £1082.50 which is 16% more than the US price at today’s exchange rate.
Depending where you live in the US you have to pay sales tax, but nothing like European level sales tax which is approx 20% in most EU countries.
So in the UK we pay 15% extra “Apple tax” for not living in US And then an extra 20% tax to the government. (Which at least you get back if you buy for a VAT registered business.)
Watching the keynote, it would seem pretty likely that Apple will release Final Cut for iPads. Everything is in place, including support for the 6K monitor and all the fancy screen stuff.
A few years ago Apple completely rewrote FCP. FCP X might as well have had a different name as it was nothing like FCP 9.
I think if Apple are going to release Logic for iPad, the same kind of re-write is on the cards for the Mac. There's a hell of a lot of 1990s Emagic still in Logic. Hell, I still use Guitar Amp Pro all the time (I set the amp model to Clean and speaker to DI to make drums -- and everything -- sound really nice. A bit like a tape sim). And there's no chance of that plug-in making it to LP 11 if there's going to be logic for iPad.
Dig around in the environment and there are tiny 1993 era non-retina UI things still under the hood. All of that would have to go for an iPad version, and I very much doubt Apple would do that without doing the same for the Mac; it'll be one main code base for both mac and iPad if there is going to be an iPad version
Plug-ins such as ES-1 and ES-2 have never even had a retina paint job. That speaks volumes.
I'm guessing LP 11 will be a complete ground up re-write. And it will make lots of people sad. And lots of people happy. People will be saying it's just GB Pro (as they did with FCP, claiming it was iMovie Pro, not final cut -- but that seems to have turned out OK for the most part I think?).
Rocky road ahead for Logic Mac users though; A full re-write will probably go quite a long way backwards before it can go forward again.
Omg KORG M1 app is going to sound so authentic with iPads having the same chip!
Plus the memory expand option
Damn! for a second there I thought "Prog" meant prog-rock and I was going to order one.
It's amazing to think that Apple are touting Lumafusion as a reason for people to spend 2K on an ipad.
It's fine for mobile use but you're still going to need another computer and software if you want to get really serious about video.
Maybe Apple are planning to allow MacOs apps to run on M1 ipads in a "desktop mode" when plugged into an external display?
just like ipad apps can run on Macs if allowed by the developers.
This might make sense if so, but will be interesting to see what they have planned
Yepp, WWDC'21 is not that far away and I'm in no rush what so ever to get a new iPad...
I have the apple magic keyboard for my 2018 11 inch Pro and really like it. It does feel a lot more like a proper keyboard than the old keyboard cases that apple used to put out. Having said that, if I am going to be doing a lot of typing rather than just a quick email reply I'll move to my old macbook pro. I don't know whether this is because my ipad is too small (maybe I wouldn't do this so much if I had the big ipad pro + keyboard), or whether the macbook pro keyboard is just nicer in some way I can't describe, or because google docs on an ipad is still kind of crappy compared to the proper browser based one.
And yeah, all this new iPad pro horsepower must mean something for the future of iPadOS right? People are going to be pissed off if there are not some big improvements at WWDC. All I need is proper external monitor support, better multitasking, and a better version of google docs and it would be my main device.
Ugh. By the light of day, my posts last night were needlessly argumentative, to the point of being abrasive. Apologies to all, particularly @BCKeys.
I’m gonna check myself out of the thread for a while. Let me know if y’all come to any conclusions, OK? 😉
Exactly
Yesterday was the perfect start but Apple has to keep the ball rolling and deliver on the software side. In two months we will know more.
The future looks bright but distant